Doom III

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Pestlett · Post by **Pestlett** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 7:16 pm

With the release of Doom III so close, and id saying that they will release a boxed version of Doom III for Linux soon after the Windows and the Linux binary have been released. I want to know how many people are going to purchase the Linux boxed version of Doom III. I am.
Have any of you purchased your hardware especially for Doom III. I had to break my old machine so my mum would go halfs with me on my new machine. She refused to get new hardware so I had to break my old machine IT JUST WASN'T GOOD enough. Well as it turns out it was OK for minimum specifications, but I want hardcore performance and looks.

What are your views on this monumental release, I'm so excited I nearly swore in this post! I'm so excited I'm going to do something I dont like doing.

That smiling face is for you id software.

neenee · Post by **neenee** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 7:22 pm

some other doom3-related threads:

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=201878
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=198517
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=197888
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=198524
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=181917
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=197965

Imek · Post by **Imek** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 7:27 pm

I thought there were no plans for a boxed Linux version. Either way, I'm going to buy the Windows version, seeing as I'm dual-booting with Windows now and can download the linux binaries when they come out. It'd be nice if they came out before or on the UK release of the 13th, though..

bluedevils · Post by **bluedevils** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 7:42 pm

I'll be getting the windows version because I can play more games in windows. I can't justify a second gaming machine. I'm not going to dual boot.

ledskof · Post by **ledskof** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 7:52 pm

Well I'm not in a big hurry. I'm still running an XP1900 and Geforce3 in my game rig, and I don't get my bonus till October... So hopefully (for myself) the linux client will be out by then.

zakk · Post by **zakk** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 7:57 pm

Just to clarify, there is no Linux boxed version of doom 3, sorry. Binaries will be downloadable, though tuxgames.com will include them with any orders.

u2mike · Post by **u2mike** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 10:14 pm

It would be cool if they released a linux boxed version. They could include some extra levels where you get to play as tux fighting his way through hordes of mutant microsoft employee's

zakk · Post by **zakk** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 10:15 pm

Yes and then they could put in the default blue supernova from the gimp and it would be just as terrible as all of our open-source games

FirechilD · Post by **FirechilD** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 11:10 am

since my radeon 9600xt is crap in linux i will try to get an Gainward FX PowerPack! Ultra/1100XT Golden Sample (by specs the best 5900xt ive found) and a fine 5.1 sound by creative

and all that just to play doom3 with nice fps on my linux box *g*

The Mountain Man · Post by **The Mountain Man** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 3:39 pm

So any word on when the Linux binaries will be released? I only have Windows 98SE, and Doom 3 supposedly only works on Win2K/XP (though I imagine it has more to with a version check during installation than any limitations in the Windows 98SE operating system). So unless I "upgrade" my Windows version, I won't be able to play the game until the Linux version is released.

nevynxxx · Post by **nevynxxx** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 3:52 pm

Pestlett wrote: I had to break my old machine so my mum would go halfs with me on my new machine. She refused to get new hardware so I had to break my old machine IT JUST WASN'T GOOD enough. Well as it turns out it was OK for minimum specifications, but I want hardcore performance and looks.

That was very very wrong of you. On so many levels.

On the side, I will be buying new hardware, as soon as I can, but it will be more aimed at Halflife not Doom, I will be buying Halflife, preferably a linux version, and if there's going to be a specific linux version I'll wait for that. I may get Doom too, depends if I have the money...

the lone crouton · Post by **the lone crouton** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 4:43 pm

I hope the wait for the linux binaries is short.

Somehow I think the chances of running Doom3 under wine and getting acceptable performance, or indeed getting it to work at all, are minimal.

homeobocks · Post by **homeobocks** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 7:47 pm

u2mike wrote:They could include some extra levels where you get to play as tux fighting his way through hordes of mutant microsoft employee's

Is there any other kind?

edudlive · Post by **edudlive** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 1:09 am

God I need to ditch my 9600Pro for a Nvidia card of some sort.

FRDarkStalker · Post by **FRDarkStalker** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 1:38 am

I'll play under windows.
Yes, I have an ATI card :/ (9800 pro)

woodwizzle · Post by **woodwizzle** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 6:02 am

I just got an MSI 5900XT (woulda gotten the gainward golden sample, but the MSI is a lot quieter for my mythtv machine) and 1 GB of corsair xms DDR400 twinx ram. I'm ready for doom3

I wished there was a linux boxed version though, just so when I buy it, ID knows I'm buying it for linux.

bammbamm808 · Post by **bammbamm808** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 9:29 am

nevynxxx wrote:if there's going to be a specific linux version I'll wait for that. I may get Doom too, depends if I have the money...

No way in hell will there be a linux version of HL2. Don't hold your breath.

kormoc · Post by **kormoc** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 10:49 am

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nevynxxx · Post by **nevynxxx** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 11:05 am

kormoc wrote:
Ya, Valve has said there will be no linux version. It's not profitable for them.

I really don't understand the whole thing with valve and linux not being profitable, if its profitable for ID, and for the peeps who make unreal tournament, why can valve not make it profitable?

I guess I wont be playing HL2 then, if/when I upgrade it will be to AMD64 chips, and as there is no windows64 due now to 2005 there isn't much point me putting windows on it. Yes I refuse to use a 64bit chip in 32bit mode.

I think valve will only really get the point when id start relasesing linux specific boxed sets, and can hance show real sales figures.

I wouldn't even care if HL2 was open source or not, just that it should run on linux.

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@bammbamm808 yeah I forgot that, I do get confuzled sometimes. Will be buying linux specific Doom though if/when it appears.

kormoc · Post by **kormoc** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 2:22 pm

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Imek · Post by **Imek** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 2:49 pm

kormoc wrote:As for not running 32 bit on a 64 bit platform, just be perpaired that most of your software won't run then. nvidia drivers are 32 bit only, so no games or accelerated video, same with ati drivers, mplayer codecs are 32 bit, so no movies, there's lots of software that just isn't true 64 bit compatable yet. it will eventually get there, but I think it's gonna take longer then 2005.

That's not entirely true. In fact, it's now less true than ever. The latest nvidia 6106 drivers are available for amd64, and they now support acceleration in both 64 bit mode and 32 bit emulation. UT2004 has a 64-bit binaries, and with the new drivers other games like nwn and et work at around the same performance as a 32 bit linux. I haven't tried it yet, but there's a thread on the AMD64 forum listing games that work.

The reason I don't have an amd64 installation anymore is that there are a few problems. For example, there is no 64-bit shockwave flash, so you need to use firefox-bin. Consequently, the 64 bit java doesn't work with it, so you have to compile that in 32 bit, which requires no shortage of ugliness making a 32-bit chroot to compile it in, which frankly isn't really worth it for me. Also, as far as I know, wine(x) doesn't compile in amd64, which means - yup - compiling it in a 32-bit chroot.

Apart from that, though.. I should probably give amd64 gentoo another try now that the 6106 drivers are out. There are probably ways around these problems.

kormoc · Post by **kormoc** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 6:49 pm

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nevynxxx · Post by **nevynxxx** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 8:43 pm

kormoc wrote:
Actually, there will be no linux box set for doom III, ID said it wasn't profitable for them to do a seperate box set for just linux. They only really write linux binarys out of good will rather then profit.

If you remember the Q3 box sets, ID lost a bit of money on them.

As for not running 32 bit on a 64 bit platform, just be perpaired that most of your software won't run then. nvidia drivers are 32 bit only, so no games or accelerated video, same with ati drivers, mplayer codecs are 32 bit, so no movies, there's lots of software that just isn't true 64 bit compatable yet. it will eventually get there, but I think it's gonna take longer then 2005.

I'm quite sure HL2 will run with winex (cedega now) almost right away, tho wine/winex/etc are gonna be 32 bit only for a /long/ time.

Now, I'm all for gaming and all that under linux, as it's my only os, but I do understand companys choosing not to write linux ports.

Believe me I can happily wait for that functionality, so long as I can read e-mail, brows the web and do a few officy things in the meantime, and can contribute to getting the 64 bit stuff there.

As for the last paragraph. I'm the opposite way. I don't distinguish between open and closed source on this. Linux is a platform with an ever increasing user base. The fact that most linux users are young, male, and inteligent just means that a higher percentge of linux users will be interested in games.

I look at it in a business practice way. What is the point of ignoring a (growing) part of the market?

For porting compleated games yes, it requires a lot of etra effort. But for new engines (both the DoomIII and HL2 engines were written *after* linux started making good progress) it just requires a different set of initial assumptions. Some staff may require re-training, some extra licences may have to be aquired. Nothing very big.

I just think it's very silly of the studio's to continue to ignore a set of people they could make a lot of revinue from.

The problem is in convincing the studio's that there is revinue there. The only way to do that is to release a "linux" boxed set, and see it sell well. The sensible thing to do,is to release 1 box with both linux and windows binaries inside(cheeper, less costs involved). Catch 22.

kormoc · Post by **kormoc** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 9:16 pm

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blueworm · Post by **blueworm** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 11:31 pm

There is absoloutely no need for the game mfg to release linux boxed sets. They can figure out the statistics from the data from the master servers.

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