Jackass! 2005.2 Support Group

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Bob P · Post by **Bob P** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 3:20 pm

This is the Official Support Group for The Jackass! Project 2005.2.

Read This Before Posting

What Kind of Support is Available Here

The Jackass! Support Group has been created to address technical issues that are uniquely related to the current release of the Jackass! Toolkit. We're limiting our Support efforts to such problems.

General questions about Gentoo are beyond the scope of this thread, and the Jackass! Support Group is NOT a good place to look for answers to these types of questions. If you have Gentoo-related questions that are general in nature and are not specifically related to the Jackass! Toolkit, please post them in the appropriate Gentoo Forums.

Please Note

To efficiently utilize the time that I spend providing support, I will only respond to support requests that are posted to this thread, so that the answers will remain available as reference material for anyone who may need to refer to them. I will no longer repond to ANY Personal Messages or e-mails requesting support. All Personal Messages sent to me that contain personalized support requests will be deleted without a reply.

Thanks, and have fun!

Quick Reference: Common Errors Associated with Jackass! Installs

See the Quick Reference for the Stage 1/3 Guides: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-314985.html

Other Helpful Threads for Reference

Stage 1/3 Install Guide for Gentoo 2004.3 & GCC 3.4.3 http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-274968.html
Stage 1/3 Support Thread for Gentoo 2004.3 & GCC 3.4.3 http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-2123839.html

Stage 1/3 Install Guide for Gentoo 2005.0 & GCC 3.4.3 http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-319349.html
Stage 1/3 Support Thread for Gentoo 2005.0 & GCC 3.4.3 http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-2240059.html

Stage 1/3 Install Guide for Gentoo 2005.0 & GCC 3.4.4 http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-345229.html
Stage 1/3 Support Thread for Gentoo 2005.0 & GCC 3.4.4 http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-2469834.html

Please Support the Jackass! Project

If you've found Jackass! to be helpful, or if you've found our Support efforts to be helpful, then please support the Jackass! Project. Information on how to support our efforts is available on the Jackass! website at http://jackass.homelinux.org/.

Acknowledgement

The Jackass! Teams would like to thank the Administrators and the Moderators of the Gentoo Forums for their help and for their generosity in making The Jackass! Project possible. We would also like to thank the Gentoo Developers for all of their hard work on Gentoo. In appreciation for their efforts, and out of a desire to give something back to the Gentoo Community, Jackass! has been released as a free download that is licensed under the GPL. If you value the efforts of all of these people, please consider making a contriubtion to Gentoo or to The Jackass! Project.

Disclaimer

Just for the purpose of clarification, "The Jackass! Project", "The Jackass! Toolkit", and The Jackass! Project website at http://jackass.homelinux.org are not affiliated with "Linux for Jackasses" or its website at http://www.jackasslinux.com. It seems that both of these projects based their name on the Jackass Penguin, which was coincidental.

nighty · Post by **nighty** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 3:27 pm

hi bob, a small issue.
i didnt notice a link to the pentium-m iso on the site.

Bob P · Post by **Bob P** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 6:35 pm

the link is there. its just 404 right now because i'm still waiting for people to follow-through and volunteer as mirrors. i was ready to release on September 1 but I haven't been able to get the mirror problem straightened out and Jackass! has been in a holding pattern as a result.

in order to get the software out, i decided to make it available on CD while we wait for the mirroring problem to be corrected. just so that people who are used to getting everything for free don't accuse me of being a money-grabbing pig, i'll donate all of the profits from sale of the CDs to the Hurricane Katrina relief fund at the American Red Cross.

until we can get the mirror problem solved the only option to get the Pentium-M tarball is to do your part in support of the Hurricane Katrina relief effort and Buy a Jackass! 2005.1 CD.

Bob P · Post by **Bob P** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 4:56 pm

Mirrors Needed:

Just to clarify the mirror situation -- we are desperately in need of mirrors to help serve the Jackass! 2005.1 tarballs. You don't have to have a high speed server in a data center to contribute to the project. If I could just get a number of people with home broadband hookups to offer a dedicated pentium-class box and a throttled portion of their DSL or Cable uplink, the mirror problem would be solved

Edit: as of October 2005 we have an adequate number of mirrors.

southpaw · Post by **southpaw** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 8:04 pm

Hey Bob,
I don't know much about the whole mirroring process, but if it's possible, couldn't you swap out the 2005.0 tarball's with the 2005.1 ??? like I said I don't know if it's possible but if it is that might temporarily help the situation, just a thought

....

Bob P · Post by **Bob P** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 9:03 pm

that's a good idea. if the mirror were syncing, it would be updated in exactly the way you've suggested. unfortuantely, we only have ONE mirror right now, and for reasons that are unclear it isn't syncing. because i don't have root privs on that box, i can't do anything about it.

this is an example of why we need to have more than one mirror -- right now all of our eggs are in one basket, and when that one system fails, nobody can download.

unfortunately, this problem won't get any better until one person comes along who is willing to do something to help.

Strayer · Post by **Strayer** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 1:24 am

Hmm, you could create a torrent perhaps?

I'm planning to install Gentoo on my AthlonXP here at weekend.
Jackass would help ALOT since I tried it on my Pentium MMX and it worked perfectly.
Xorg and KDE themselves compile millions of years - or..at least some hours.
Would be great to have at least the minimal system with nice CFLAGS ( I hate playing around with them :/ ) and so on precompiled ^^'

I would help seeding the torrent(at least the athlonxp one - maybe also the others) at night here with 12kb/s upload for the next days/weeks if you decide to make one. It is not much bandwith - but at least some bandwith.

Hmm...could you send me the make.conf of the Athlon XP tarball? ^^' Then I could at least do a Stage 1/3 install.

arjay · Post by **arjay** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 1:28 am

Made a donation for Jackass! 2005.1, but received this after I hit submit through Paypal:

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Not Found
The requested URL /res8b0x8/gentoo/thanks.html was not found on this server.

Just thought you might want to know as it might confuse some into thinking they're payment/request didn't go through.

Thanks for all the work done on this project as well as 2005.0 which has become my system of choice due to its amazing stability.

arjay

johngalt · Post by **johngalt** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 2:36 am

I will hopefully be set up in a day or so as a low BW (~45 KBytes/s) mirror.

Bob, did you have to disappear off the forums for a while?

Bob P · Post by **Bob P** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 10:29 am

johngalt wrote:Bob, did you have to disappear off the forums for a while?

sorry. although the timestamps on my messages do make it look like i'm on this board 24/7, i do take time off now and then to nap.

Bob P · Post by **Bob P** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 10:33 am

arjay wrote:Made a donation for Jackass! 2005.1, but received this after I hit submit through Paypal:

Just a brief note to let you know that you're the FIRST person to participate in the Jackass! user program to support the Red Cross Katrina Fund. Thanks. I've updated the website to recognize your donation:

http://jackass.homelinux.org

Thanks also for the note about the missing thanks.html file. I don't know how it disappeared, but the problem is fixed now.

edit: your CD will ship today.

Bob P · Post by **Bob P** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 1:13 pm

Strayer wrote:Hmm...could you send me the make.conf of the Athlon XP tarball? ^^' Then I could at least do a Stage 1/3 install.

everything that you need to do to perform a Stage 1/3 install is clearly spelled out right there in the Stage 1/3 thread. all that you need to do is follow the directions. i don't have the time to write a customized make.conf for you if you're not inclined to do a minimal amount of typing to help yourself.

please don't send me any more PM or ICQ requests for free personalized consulting services. the support policies for all of my projects clearly state that i don't have the time to offer personalized private support for anyone, and that all support is offered only in the public support threads, where everyone can benefit from the answers.

johngalt · Post by **johngalt** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 4:47 am

Sleep? I that that was one of those Urban Legend things....

arjay · Post by **arjay** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 1:54 pm

Bob P wrote:
Just a brief note to let you know that you're the FIRST person to participate in the Jackass! user program to support the Red Cross Katrina Fund. Thanks. I've updated the website to recognize your donation:

http://jackass.homelinux.org/users.html

Thanks also for the note about the missing thanks.html file. I don't know how it disappeared, but the problem is fixed now.

edit: your CD will ship today.

Thanks Bob P! I hope others will contribute, whatever they can.

arjay

Bob P · Post by **Bob P** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 5:42 pm

I've had a couple of people ask if they can obtain a CD without contributing to the Red Cross Katrina Fund, because they've already contributed to Katrina Relief and would rather support The Jackass! Project.

The donation buttons for the CD are all set-up for Katrina donations and I'd rather not change things mid-stream, so if you want to contribute to the Katrina Fund, order a CD.

If you'd rather contribute to Jackass! instead, just use the other donation buttons on the site to make a contribution to support Jackass! I'll make sure that you get the CD of your choice.

BTW, I'm still trying to get the mirror situation resolved.

Edit: website updated to allow users the choice of contributing to Katrina or Jackass!

Bob P · Post by **Bob P** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 4:22 pm

special thanks to Jackass! Testing Group member John Galt for setting-up a low-bandwidth mirror on his home broadband connection.

onslaught · Post by **onslaught** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 5:52 pm

Hello Bob. I have a server with 4 gigs of space and 100GB bandwith I would like to offer to you for use of hosting Jackass 2005.1 . Due to limited Bandwith though I would like to host the files through bittorrent. Also, as of this time I have only access to 20GB of Windows but once I get Jackass 2005.1 for pentium-m I have access to a T1 line that I can set up a dedicated host through on gentoo. Thanks so much for all you work on the Stage 1/3 install and Jackass they are both fantastic. Hope I can help.

--Muroc Aqualung

southpaw · Post by **southpaw** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 8:40 pm

Hello,
I meant to ask this question a while back but, whats the difference between the P3 Tarball and the PM Tarball???

At first I thought it might be minimal but if that were the case then I wouldn't think that you would have spent the time building it although I could be wrong of course...

yassen · Post by **yassen** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 11:17 am

Dear Bob:

First of all, thanks a LOT for the jackass and the stage 3/1 installation method.
It seems like the stage1 (and partially stage2) method suffer a lot of different
problems and even developers start talking about using a stage 3 only, and
then rebuilding part of or the whole system. I somehow think that this is the
way to go.

I have the following question: while doing your stage 3/1 installation on a
1.3 GHz Duron, using gcc-3.4.3 (no problems so far, I am emerging -e system
currently), I noticed that glibc, binutils and gcc, also libstdc++-v3 are rebuild
during 'emerge -e system'. Can we save the second rebuild of the toolchain
having in mind that it is done during subsequent emerge -e system? Or do I
miss something?

Bob P · Post by **Bob P** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 4:52 pm

southpaw wrote:Hello,
I meant to ask this question a while back but, whats the difference between the P3 Tarball and the PM Tarball???

At first I thought it might be minimal but if that were the case then I wouldn't think that you would have spent the time building it although I could be wrong of course...

imho there isn't a sufficient difference between P3 and P-M to justify all of the noise that's been made by the people who want P-M. i've always advised P-M users to just use the P3 tarball, and to perform two emerge -e systems after changing the arch specification to pentium-m if they just couldn't live without it. nonetheless, they kept on pestering me, so just built it to stop them from bugging me.

since it won't be offered on the mirrors, Pentium-M will only be available to people who support the project.

Bob P · Post by **Bob P** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 4:54 pm

yassen wrote:Dear Bob:

First of all, thanks a LOT for the jackass and the stage 3/1 installation method.
It seems like the stage1 (and partially stage2) method suffer a lot of different
problems and even developers start talking about using a stage 3 only, and
then rebuilding part of or the whole system. I somehow think that this is the
way to go.

I have the following question: while doing your stage 3/1 installation on a
1.3 GHz Duron, using gcc-3.4.3 (no problems so far, I am emerging -e system
currently), I noticed that glibc, binutils and gcc, also libstdc++-v3 are rebuild
during 'emerge -e system'. Can we save the second rebuild of the toolchain
having in mind that it is done during subsequent emerge -e system? Or do I
miss something?

let's talk about your stage 1/3 questions in the Stage 1/3 support thread, not here.

southpaw · Post by **southpaw** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 1:36 am

Hey Bob,
I happened to notice when I was looking through the updated version of the PDF manual (2005.1 as opposed to 2005.0),
that you ommited section 5.1 from the manual:

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# cp /mnt/cdrom/jackass-2005.0-(your arch).tar.bz2 /mnt/gentoo/jackass-2005.0-(your arch).tar.bz2

...which has been substituted for the option of downloading the different architecture tarballs from the net, which seems a little strange since this version of jackass! is being offered not only as a downloadable tarball but also as an installation disc for those who donate to support the jackass! project

. Anyway, I'm sure this is no coincedence and that you are probably already aware of it, but if not, I thought you might like to know...

Bob P · Post by **Bob P** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 5:26 pm

southpaw wrote:...which has been substituted for the option of downloading the different architecture tarballs from the net, which seems a little strange since this version of jackass! is being offered not only as a downloadable tarball but also as an installation disc for those who donate to support the jackass! project

thanks for pointing that out. i had actually finished up the documentation for the project before the project's release, and before i had contemplated offering CDs for supporting users. i'll add that to my to-do list.

m_kylli · Post by **m_kylli** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 5:23 pm

Can a Jackass 2005.1 tarrball be installed with a Jackass 2005.0 CD?

carpman · Post by **carpman** » Thu Sep 29, 2005 3:52 pm

Hello, done a couple of installs with P3 and Amd build and get warning such as:

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Calculating dependencies   * Please upgrade your package (gentoo-sources-2.4.20-r33) to use toolchain-funcs.eclass
QA Notice: sed in global scope: sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-2.4.20-r33
 ...done!

Got one simular with grub emerge.

Using Gentoo 2005.01 live cd.

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