Xfree 4.4 Released

[no4b]

I wonder what developers want to achive... The license isn't bad, it is more liberal than openssl licence i think...

[himpierre]

Hello

I also tried to install 4.4.0 with a modified ebuild on my 64bit machine. But the ebuild installs some libs in /usr/X11R6/lib64 some in /usr/X11R6/lib. No good. Don't have a clue why is that so and switched back to 4.3.

best regards
Thomas

[Syntaxis]

Think about how many Gentoo users there are (somewhere between 250,000 and 500,000 at best estimate)

Out of interest, where did you get this figure from?

[dberkholz]

Think about how many Gentoo users there are (somewhere between 250,000 and 500,000 at best estimate)

Out of interest, where did you get this figure from?

The infrastructure people. =)

[DarkMind]

Even though Xfree is usable, even with the new license, Do we really want to use it? Still no real transparency, and a new license not compatible with the GPL, on which Linux is formed. I can't speak for a lot of Linux users, but I know even if fd.o's xserver will run a little slower then XFree, I will use it anyway, as I see it as being better. I just hope a stable/working release comes out soon...that supports nVidia with 3D acceleration Until then, I wait here, running XFree 4.3, having no plans to update to 4.4

Finally! Someone who refuses to use the new XFree and plans on changing to fd.o asap. Thank God I'm not the only one.


Everyone on the other forums and some on here are all about using it, even though they intentionally made their license invalid to other GPL software, as you stated "...on which Linux is formed."

Thank God for similar logic.

I reject the xfree 4.4 too, i want to use the fd.o but not has 3d acceleration(nvidia).. i still with xfree 4.3... when fd.o launch a stable version with nvidia's 3d accelerator, i will change to fd.o


sorry: my english is very bad...

[zrl]

ok this is how I got 4.4.0 to emerge:

replaced XFree-4.3.99.902.tar.bz2 with the xfree-4.4.0 source from xfree86.org
unmaks xfree-4.3.99.902-r2
***emerge xfreexfree-4.3.99.902-r2 (you will see an error saying can't apply patch ...)

the solution is to hack the xfree-4.3.99.902-r2.ebuild to disable those 4 patches: 7200 9200 0410 9860.

you can edit your xfree-4.3.99.902-r2.ebuild:
by adding lines like the following
mv -f ${PATCH_DIR}/0120*parallel-make* ${PATCH_DIR}/excluded (you can find this line in the file xfree-4.3.99.902-r2.ebuild)
so, add the following:
mv -f ${PATCH_DIR}/7200* ${PATCH_DIR}/excluded
mv -f ${PATCH_DIR}/9200* ${PATCH_DIR}/excluded
mv -f ${PATCH_DIR}/0410* ${PATCH_DIR}/excluded
mv -f ${PATCH_DIR}/9860* ${PATCH_DIR}/excluded

I assume the above method will work. I found those 4 bad patches by trial and error. (I delete one patch at a time and correct the digest file each time. the patches are in XFree86-4.3.99.902-patches-0.5.tar.bz2)

enjoy!!

[dberkholz]

the solution is to hack the xfree-4.3.99.902-r2.ebuild to disable those 4 patches: 7200 9200 0410 9860.

Hope those patches aren't anything important...

[zrl]

9200_all_4.3.0-libfont-buffer-overflow.patch
7200_all_4.2.99.901-fbdev-depth24-support.patch
9860_all_4.3.0-synaptics-sdk-includes.patch
0410_all_4.3-keyboard-fixes-and-hp-symbols.patch

I don't know if these were fixed or not in 4.4.0.

[Ian Goldby]

If you're an i810 user (and possibly other i8x0 graphics chipsets), you'll also want to delete the patch

5750_all_4.2.1-i8x0-xv.patch

in order to get full-screen mplayer to work (and any other application that uses xv overlays/hardware scaling). In fact, this also works for XFree-4.3.99*, and possibly even the older unmasked ebuilds too.

Since XFree86 are distributing 4.4.0 without any patches, presumably the important patches have already been applied. The only patch I know of that is definitely needed is the libXau patch, because Gentoo's build of KDM won't work without it.

I wonder - can anyone account for each and every patch in the xfree-4.3.99.902-r2 ebuild, and state authoritatively what each patch does and whether it is still required? Just including a patch because it was in the previous version seems rather dubious to me.

[dberkholz]

If you're an i810 user (and possibly other i8x0 graphics chipsets), you'll also want to delete the patch

5750_all_4.2.1-i8x0-xv.patch

in order to get full-screen mplayer to work (and any other application that uses xv overlays/hardware scaling). In fact, this also works for XFree-4.3.99*, and possibly even the older unmasked ebuilds too.

I'm dropping this from 4.3.0-r6 as well, we'll see whether it helps.

Since XFree86 are distributing 4.4.0 without any patches, presumably the important patches have already been applied.

Poor assumption. XFree86 has been famous for being slow to apply submitted patches.

I wonder - can anyone account for each and every patch in the xfree-4.3.99.902-r2 ebuild, and state authoritatively what each patch does and whether it is still required? Just including a patch because it was in the previous version seems rather dubious to me.

Tried the ChangeLog?

Generally if a patch still applies cleanly, it is assumed that the problem it's there for hasn't been fixed.

[Ian Goldby]

XFree86 has been famous for being slow to apply submitted patches.

I wasn't aware of this. I wonder if this is one of the factors behind the "XFree86 must die!" movement...

[gentoo newbie]

Even though Xfree is usable, even with the new license, Do we really want to use it? Still no real transparency, and a new license not compatible with the GPL, on which Linux is formed. I can't speak for a lot of Linux users, but I know even if fd.o's xserver will run a little slower then XFree, I will use it anyway, as I see it as being better. I just hope a stable/working release comes out soon...that supports nVidia with 3D acceleration Until then, I wait here, running XFree 4.3, having no plans to update to 4.4

Finally! Someone who refuses to use the new XFree and plans on changing to fd.o asap. Thank God I'm not the only one.


Everyone on the other forums and some on here are all about using it, even though they intentionally made their license invalid to other GPL software, as you stated "...on which Linux is formed."

Thank God for similar logic.

I reject the xfree 4.4 too, i want to use the fd.o but not has 3d acceleration(nvidia).. i still with xfree 4.3... when fd.o launch a stable version with nvidia's 3d accelerator, i will change to fd.o


sorry: my english is very bad...

I won't use xfree 4.4 either. I'm also going to use fd.o when there is a compatible nvidia driver for 3d acceleration

[NitroPye]

I won't use xfree 4.4 either. I'm also going to use fd.o when there is a compatible nvidia driver for 3d acceleration

Ditto.

[Ian Goldby]

I won't use xfree 4.4 either. I'm also going to use fd.o when there is a compatible nvidia driver for 3d acceleration

Ditto.

You do realise, don't you, that the GPL only applies to distribution of software? If you don't intend to distribute software from your machine, there is simply no issue with the license change regardless of what you understand the new XFree86 license to actually mean.

[NitroPye]

You do realise, don't you, that the GPL only applies to distribution of software? If you don't intend to distribute software from your machine, there is simply no issue with the license change regardless of what you understand the new XFree86 license to actually mean.

I still don't have to like it, distributer or not. The forks on fd.org are offering improvments over the stale and slow moving xfree project, and that is a number one reason to switch/wait it out.

[dogshu]

Here is an xfree-4.4.0 ebuild I found, if anyone is looking for it:

http://media.homelinux.org/gentoo/

I haven't tried it yet, but I'm about to. Sorry, but I need a working xv implementation on this laptop. (xfree-4.3.0 doesn't cut it on this machine either).

[irf2003]

I won't use xfree 4.4 either. I'm also going to use fd.o when there is a compatible nvidia driver for 3d acceleration :)

Ditto.

You do realise, don't you, that the GPL only applies to distribution of software? If you don't intend to distribute software from your machine, there is simply no issue with the license change regardless of what you understand the new XFree86 license to actually mean.

i hope that you relealize, that the xfree problem as far as the user is concerned is related to whether the developers
and distros will endorse it, and so far none have done so.
what this means, regardless about how you feel about
the license or xfree, is that the software which you will
be using may or may not support such environment.
so unless you have the resources and skills to make
xfree 4.4.x and whatever currently depends on it work, you are on your own.
hth

[Ian Goldby]

I would imagine that anyone installing an unofficial ebuild knows perfectly well that they are on their own.

My point that there is no licensing problem for end users was in response to Visnu and the like:

Finally! Someone who refuses to use the new XFree and plans on changing to fd.o asap... Everyone on the other forums and some on here are all about using it, even though they intentionally made their license invalid to other GPL software, as you stated "...on which Linux is formed."

(Emphasis mine.)

[dberkholz]

By the way, anyone having those i8x0 xv problems should try xfree-4.3.0-r6.

[ashtray]

X.org is reported to work with nvidia drivers. Check it out @ http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthr ... adid=26205

[bokkepoot]

Here is an xfree-4.4.0 ebuild I found, if anyone is looking for it:

http://media.homelinux.org/gentoo/

I haven't tried it yet, but I'm about to. Sorry, but I need a working xv implementation on this laptop. (xfree-4.3.0 doesn't cut it on this machine either).

I've tried it, and it works perfectly for me. I'd advocate for inclusion of this ebuild in the portage tree, as i don't see the license change being a problem for the end user.

[sindre]

no way! All migrate to x.org now!

[RedPingüim]

Here is an xfree-4.4.0 ebuild I found, if anyone is looking for it:

http://media.homelinux.org/gentoo/

I haven't tried it yet, but I'm about to. Sorry, but I need a working xv implementation on this laptop. (xfree-4.3.0 doesn't cut it on this machine either).

I've tried it, and it works perfectly for me. I'd advocate for inclusion of this ebuild in the portage tree, as i don't see the license change being a problem for the end user.

Great...

I'll try it too...

[dberkholz]

I've tried it, and it works perfectly for me. I'd advocate for inclusion of this ebuild in the portage tree, as i don't see the license change being a problem for the end user.

Perhaps you've ignored most of the information given thus far that restricts Gentoo's ability to distribute it.

[dberkholz]

no way! All migrate to x.org now!

By the way, anyone interested:
http://dev.gentoo.org/~spyderous/overla ... /xorg-x11/