Xfree 4.4 Released

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brettlpb · Post by **brettlpb** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 7:47 pm

Just as a FYI.

If only I knew a thing about ebuilds... ;P

brettlpb · Post by **brettlpb** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 7:50 pm

Oh, I just read all this stuff about liscences and crap...

Egh, so is Gentoo not going to have "in-distro" ebuilds for this ever?

It seems like everyone hates it, for some reason.

*confused*

Tii · Post by **Tii** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 7:52 pm

Nope, no ebuild coming.

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=137607
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=138625

ChazeFroy · Post by **ChazeFroy** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 8:30 pm

No *official* ebuild is coming, but that won't prevent somebody from making their own and posting it elsewhere.

irf2003 · Post by **irf2003** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 8:43 pm

yawn..
the current xfree ebuild in portage tree is fine,
or better still, we should be looking forward to
an "x(free)unencumbered" alternative...
hth

irf2003 · Post by **irf2003** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 8:46 pm

and to the xfree folks out there let them S the 4.4 release U T A because O A does not need it :-)

Ian Goldby · Post by **Ian Goldby** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 10:41 pm

ChazeFroy wrote:No *official* ebuild is coming, but that won't prevent somebody from making their own and posting it elsewhere.

Let me know if there's any progress on this.

By the way, does anyone know if FreeBSD are planning to do a port for XFree86 4.4? They seem to have a more enlightened and relaxed attitude to licensing, so I'm hopeful, but I haven't been able to find any statement from them about it.

fusibou · Post by **fusibou** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 12:55 am

Ian Goldby wrote:By the way, does anyone know if FreeBSD are planning to do a port for XFree86 4.4? They seem to have a more enlightened .... attitude to licensing

"Enlightened"? Buddy, that's some bizarre attitude you've got. I see you can't be relied on to give back to the GPL community that you're obviously enjoying taking from. Try thinking in the wider scope beyond yourself.

ashibaka · Post by **ashibaka** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 1:25 am

And to think, I just finished recompiling 4.3!

Well, I don't see any particular benefit from 4.4, so I'm just going to wait for official freedesktop.org builds.

xcable · Post by **xcable** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 1:32 am

I see this as a beginning of the end for xfree. If they don't change then the X alternatives are going to get a lot more interest and developers (and money).

Maybe, just maybe, we will finaly get alpha blending.

Just my opionion.

heath holcomb

cisox · Post by **cisox** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 1:40 am

What are some good X alternatives?

jrz · Post by **jrz** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 1:46 am

x.org or keith packard's Xserver

both at freedesktop

or maybe stuff like xdirectfb or even commercial X servers like metroworks or Xi Graphics

dunno if NVIDIA or ATI drivers work anything but XFree86 though.

shm · Post by **shm** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 1:50 am

cisox wrote:What are some good X alternatives?

Probably x.org.. it's a FORK of XFree.. sync'd to xfree 4.4 RC2

http://freedesktop.org/Software/xorg

cisox · Post by **cisox** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 1:54 am

Is there an ebuild for X.org and what about Y-Windows & KDrive? I am not familiar with either but they are in the x11-base directory.

nukem996 · Post by **nukem996** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 3:27 am

Currently I use XFree on my desktop and laptop. On my desktop I program with OpenGL, play games(using offical nvidia drivers), and surf the web. On my laptop I use OpenOffice watch DVD's and surf the web. Id really like to use TVout on my laptop but theres no linux support for that. Does this mean in the future I will be going to something else? If so what(or what seems to be the replacement for XFree)?

nuke

Ian Goldby · Post by **Ian Goldby** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 9:31 am

fusibou wrote:
Ian Goldby wrote:By the way, does anyone know if FreeBSD are planning to do a port for XFree86 4.4? They seem to have a more enlightened and relaxed attitude to licensing
"Enlightened"? Buddy, that's some bizarre attitude you've got. I see you can't be relied on to give back to the GPL community that you're obviously enjoying taking from. Try thinking in the wider scope beyond yourself.

Would you mind apologising for that outburst please? I don't understand how you can justify such a view about me, and I find it very offensive.

Chineseyes · Post by **Chineseyes** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 1:32 pm

fusibou wrote:
Ian Goldby wrote:By the way, does anyone know if FreeBSD are planning to do a port for XFree86 4.4? They seem to have a more enlightened .... attitude to licensing
"Enlightened"? Buddy, that's some bizarre attitude you've got. I see you can't be relied on to give back to the GPL community that you're obviously enjoying taking from. Try thinking in the wider scope beyond yourself.

I'm not sure why you believe that somehow anyone "owes" something to the FSF/open source community. No one owes any other person or group a thing in life, not a single thing, from the day we were all born our own parents didn't even owe it to us to provide food and shelter. So why is it that all of a sudden anyone would "owe" a thing to any community and/or person, more importantly who are you to demand that we pay this supposed debt? I spend hours of my time finding, fixing and reporting bugs in other peoples software and writing my own software.

What does anyone owe to me? Not a damn thing. I never ask anything of anyone I do it of my own accord because I enjoy the process of creating soemthing of my own and watching it evolve into something functional and useful even if I am the only one who uses it. If anyone has the wrong attitude its you fusibou if you ever bother to do some reasearch on the xfree project and the MANY MANY problems they have had between the devs you'll see that they have quite the same attitude and lack of respect for others opinions and desires that you have, in fact when it boils down to it the license change xfree devs feeling that recognition is "owed" to them even if it means polluting the integrity of incompatiable licenses. I am not in the business of defending other people but its exactly the kind of attitude you display that has destroyed many projects in the same manner that xfree is falling apart before us all.

DarkJedi9 · Post by **DarkJedi9** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 1:53 pm

Chineseyes wrote:
fusibou wrote:
Ian Goldby wrote:By the way, does anyone know if FreeBSD are planning to do a port for XFree86 4.4? They seem to have a more enlightened .... attitude to licensing
"Enlightened"? Buddy, that's some bizarre attitude you've got. I see you can't be relied on to give back to the GPL community that you're obviously enjoying taking from. Try thinking in the wider scope beyond yourself.

I'm not sure why you believe that somehow anyone "owes" something to the FSF/open source community. No one owes any other person or group a thing in life, not a single thing, from the day we were all born our own parents didn't even owe it to us to provide food and shelter. So why is it that all of a sudden anyone would "owe" a thing to any community and/or person, more importantly who are you to demand that we pay this supposed debt? I spend hours of my time finding, fixing and reporting bugs in other peoples software and writing my own software.

What does anyone owe to me? Not a damn thing. I never ask anything of anyone I do it of my own accord because I enjoy the process of creating soemthing of my own and watching it evolve into something functional and useful even if I am the only one who uses it. If anyone has the wrong attitude its you fusibou if you ever bother to do some reasearch on the xfree project and the MANY MANY problems they have had between the devs you'll see that they have quite the same attitude and lack of respect for others opinions and desires that you have, in fact when it boils down to it the license change xfree devs feeling that recognition is "owed" to them even if it means polluting the integrity of incompatiable licenses. I am not in the business of defending other people but its exactly the kind of attitude you display that has destroyed many projects in the same manner that xfree is falling apart before us all.

I think he was just saying that he prefers people who don't try and put restrictive licenses on their code. Nowhere in there did I see him say "it's my right as a person to get all the free software I want." He merely expressed a preference. Now quit being polemical and discuss the current issue or move on to another thread. Please.

deheavens · Post by **deheavens** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 3:01 pm

look up:
http://www.xfree86.org/pipermail/forum/ ... 03974.html

This is a discussion between David Dawes and Richard Stallman over the new XFree Licensing terms. Just from seeing this discussion it suggests to me there might be a mutually acceptable resolution to the XFree86 v1.1, GPL licensing problem. However this is a little less than a month ago so things may have changed.

Just a question, does anyone know what all of the XLib's are licensed under

I am however looking forward to see what Keith Packard's XServer is like when its hardware accelerated, and I'll probably play with it properly when I've got the time

fusibou: everyones entitled to an opinion, but but that doesn't excuse being rude. I personally consider an enlightened license the GPL/LGPL, others disagree. Thats their prerogative.

X Alternatives: I haven't looked closely recently but maybe GGI/KGI?
see http://kgi.sourceforge.net and http://www.ggi-project.org, look around for their X implimentation, I think it'll be under ggi though.

verbatim · Post by **verbatim** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 3:10 pm

fusibou wrote:
Ian Goldby wrote:By the way, does anyone know if FreeBSD are planning to do a port for XFree86 4.4? They seem to have a more enlightened .... attitude to licensing
"Enlightened"? Buddy, that's some bizarre attitude you've got. I see you can't be relied on to give back to the GPL community that you're obviously enjoying taking from. Try thinking in the wider scope beyond yourself.

Even though it wasn't directed at me, as someone who feels pretty good about the BSD style of licensing, I find this offensive. Perhaps you could formulate a response on this that is more sound than something that appears to come from a whining child?

BSD-style licensing has probably done more for you than you know.

brettlpb · Post by **brettlpb** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 3:12 pm

deheavens wrote:Just a question, does anyone know what all of the XLib's are licensed under

I'm not sure if this means XLib's... off Xfree site:

The 1.1 license is not GPL-compatible. To avoid new issues with application programs that may be licensed under the GPL, the 1.1 licence is not being applied to client side libraries.

deheavens · Post by **deheavens** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 3:36 pm

Sorry about the ambiguity. I should have said,
all the library functions in the XFree86 server implimentation that an application can link against.

Although this mentions a library called libXext http://www.xfree86.org/pipermail/forum/ ... 03997.html thats described as GPL incompatible. It was these sort of libraries I was pondering over. I should have been clearer in my question.

Jay Belanger · Post by **Jay Belanger** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 6:15 pm

verbatim wrote:
fusibou wrote:
Ian Goldby wrote:By the way, does anyone know if FreeBSD are planning to do a port for XFree86 4.4? They seem to have a more enlightened .... attitude to licensing
"Enlightened"? Buddy, that's some bizarre attitude you've got. I see you can't be relied on to give back to the GPL community that you're obviously enjoying taking from. Try thinking in the wider scope beyond yourself.
Even though it wasn't directed at me, as someone who feels pretty good about the BSD style of licensing, I find this offensive.

...

BSD-style licensing has probably done more for you than you know.

You should feel good about BSD licensing. I feel pretty good about the GPL, which has also done a lot. The licenses have different motivations, and calling one of them "more enlightened" is rather offensive itself.

Jay

Ateo · Post by **Ateo** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 6:36 pm

Who cares about xfree anymore? We should all be anticipating freedesktop instead.

I'll run xfree until freedesktop fully supports my environment... until then, xfree 4.3 runs just fine..

Ian Goldby · Post by **Ian Goldby** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 7:50 pm

Jay Belanger wrote:You should feel good about BSD licensing. I feel pretty good about the GPL, which has also done a lot. The licenses have different motivations, and calling one of them "more enlightened" is rather offensive itself.

Jay, certainly no offense was intended. 'Enlightened' is a subjective term, and it's a pity that fusibou edited out the two words "and relaxed" from my original message. The FreeBSD team seem to be none-too-worried about the changes to XFree86, which I personally consider to be an enlightened view - as far as I can see, the problem is political rather than in the terms of the license iteslf. But we've discussed that ad nausium elsewhere.

Xfree 4.4 Released

Xfree 4.4 Released

beginning of the end

X Alternatives

Re: X Alternatives

X.org

Found this on OSNews

Re: Found this on OSNews

woops