Announcing the 'Stage 4 project'

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neiljw · Post by **neiljw** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 12:54 pm

mobian wrote:I'd really like to see an x86_64 version as well and would be willing to help as well. I'm guessing that to make a x86_64 stage4, that we'd need to leave -march entirely out of the CFLAGS setting in make.conf is that correct ? We'd want to avoid any arch specific setting, and that most certainly is one.... Thoughts ?

I think you are right about -march. -mtune=generic would enable 64 bit optimisations.

mobian · Post by **mobian** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 4:59 am

Yeah, I think the -mtune=generic is a good option to enable the 64-bit optimizations. What are your thoughts on USE flags to use ? I'm guessing we could mainly stick with the ones being used in the existing i686 stage4 that we've already discussed. Any special ones we want to enable (or disable) for x86_64 ?

I'm thinking of working on this in the near future... but maybe I should wait until 2007.1 comes out (assuming it is still going to come out sometime this month) to have a newer starting point for the stage4.

mobian · Post by **mobian** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 6:54 am

So, trying to read up on all the posts in this thread as well as the other one:

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-61 ... art-0.html

And I'm not sure I understand whether you opted to set any specific USE flags or not. From the make.conf posted at the beginning of this thread, it looks like you left all USE flags unset. Is that the case ? Just trying to figure out the best way to proceed on this for the x86_64 version as well. I'm guessing we could pull in the defaults for the profile it's linked to (e.g. desktop or default, etc), and not worry about any USE flags to just give a very vanilla version.... Is that the plan ?[/topic]

Kasumi_Ninja · Post by **Kasumi_Ninja** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 9:32 am

mobian wrote:So, trying to read up on all the posts in this thread as well as the other one:

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-61 ... art-0.html

And I'm not sure I understand whether you opted to set any specific USE flags or not. From the make.conf posted at the beginning of this thread, it looks like you left all USE flags unset. Is that the case ? Just trying to figure out the best way to proceed on this for the x86_64 version as well. I'm guessing we could pull in the defaults for the profile it's linked to (e.g. desktop or default, etc), and not worry about any USE flags to just give a very vanilla version.... Is that the plan ?[/topic]

Jep

I did set the desktop profile for kdebase and let user decide for themselves on the USEflags they want to use.

I think it is best to use the cflags from the Safe Cflags article. Which stage4's do you plan to make (X11, desktop etc.) and how will you build them?

jsrlepage · Post by **jsrlepage** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 3:49 pm

I may be interested in building a specific version, if you like. Stage4 for macs would r ock everything and its mom:)

Yes, i have a macbook. Be amazed

CFlags - Note: I have access to two Core2Duo compile machines, one of which is a SantaRo

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CHOST="i686-pc-linux-gnu"
CFLAGS="-march=nocona -O3 -pipe"
MAKEOPTS="-j4"
VIDEO_CARDS="i810 vmware vesa v4l"
INPUT_DEVICES="evdev keyboard mouse synaptics joystick"
LINGUAS="en fr ja"
LIRC_DEVICES="xboxusb atiusb macmini mceusb mceusb2 logitech remote_wonder_plus"

Use Flags - Kinda abusive don't cha think?

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USE="3ds 7zip X X509 a52 aac aalib accessibility acpi ada addbookmarks
     additions administrator adplug ads adsl agg aim aio akode alias alisp
     allegro alsa amarok amazon amd amr amrnb amrr amrwb amuled animgif ansi
     anthy ao aotuv apache2 apm applet aqua_theme ares artworkextra aspnet
     aspnet2 aspnetedit asterisk async audacious audiofile auth authdaemond
     automount autoreplace autostart avahi avantgo bash-completion battery
     bcmath bcp bdf beagle bigpatch binary-drivers bittorrent bjam
     blender-game bluetooth bogofilter bonjour boo bookmarks boost branding
     bzip2 c++ cairo cal3d calendar canna carbone_theme cdaudio cdda cddb
     cdinstall cdio cdparanoia cdr cdrom cdsound cegui cg cgc cgi chardet chm
     chroot cisco cjk clearcase cmucl config_wizard connectionstatus
     contactnotes contrib corba cpudetection cpufreq css ctrlmenu ctype cube
     curl curlwrappers cursors cutterlimit cutterqueue cvs cxx daap daemon
     dbase dbus dc1394 ddepgentry dedicated depth32 deskbar dhcp dialup
     directfb disassembler divx dmx dnotify doc dolby-record-switch domainkeys
     dvd dvdarchive dvdnav dvdr dvdread ecc eds emerald emovix encode epiphany
     equalizer escreen esd evo examples excel exif extraengine extraicons
     extramodules extras fame fasttrack fat fbsplash ffmpeg fftw fidonet
     firefox flac flatfile font-server fontconfig freetts ftp fuse gaim gajim
     galago garmin gcj gconf gd gdm geoip geos gif gimp gimpprint glade glib
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     lucene lzo lzw macbook mad madwifi magic mail mainmenuhooks management
     maps masquerade matroska mcal md5sum mdnsresponder-compat meanwhile
     menuorg messages migemo mikmod mime mimencode ming mixer mjpeg mmx mng
     mnogosearch mod_irc modplug mono motif mozdevelop mp2 mp3 mp4 mp4live
     mpeg mpeg2 mplayer mschap msdav msn msnextras musepack music musicbrainz
     mysql mysqlfriends mysqli nanoemacs nas nat nautilus net netbeans netboot
     netcdf nethack netjack netpbm netserver network network-cron
     networkmanager new-login newspr nextaw nfs nokia6600 nowlistening
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     opengl openssh openssl opensslcrypt openvpn opera ophsmall oscar
     pam_chroot pam_nuauth pam_timestamp pango paranoidmsg pascal passwordsave
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     prediction print proj ps pulseaudio q32 qemu qq qsa qt-copy qt3
     qt3support qt4 query-browser quicktime radius rar raw rc5 rdesktop react
     real realmedia remote replaygain replytolist resolvconf restrict
     restrict-javascript rewrite rhythmbox rle roundrobin rpc rsh rss rtsp
     ruby samba sametime scanner screen scripting sdk sdl sdl-image sdl-sound
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     solver sortrecords sound speech speex spell sql sqlite sse sse2 ssse3
     startup-notification statistics stream subtitles subversion suid
     suidcheck svg svga svgz svn-mirror swat swig symlink sysfs syslog taglib
     tcl tga tgif themes theora thunderbird tidy tiff timidity tk tokenizer
     tools trace tracker transcode truetype udpfromto unzip upnp usb
     userlocales v4l2 valgrind vcd vga vim visualization vlm voice vorbis
     vorbis-psy wavpack weak-algorithms webdav webinstall webinterface
     webmin-minimal webpresence wifi win32codecs winbind winpopup wireshark
     wma wmf wmp workbench x11vnc x264 xcomposite xetex xfce xforms xfs xft
     xine xinerama xml xmlreader xmlrpc xmlwriter xosd xpm xprint xrandr
     xrender xscreensaver xsettings xsl xslt xterm xv xvid xvmc xvnc yahoo
     zeroconf zip zsh-completion"

Kasumi_Ninja · Post by **Kasumi_Ninja** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 3:59 pm

W00t it is really great that every plans to build alternative stage'4

. However I do think this asked for a more coordinated effort. Common rules/practices that we use to build a stage4. Like for example staying as close to the vanilla version as possible and documenting each added feature. I will post my suggestions asap. Us usual, let me know what you think!

mobian · Post by **mobian** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 4:47 pm

I agree that we should try to make a stage4 that is as close to vanilla as possible and thus reusable by a ton of other people as a simple starting point to get gentoo installed. For an x86_64 version, I agree we should use safe cflags, but I want to use something that will work with all kinds of x86_64 archs, such as both a Athlon64 X2 and an Intel Core2Duo (I have several of these in my network, and would love to have a stage4 that could get them all installed quickly, then customized later if needed).

Based on that, what would be your suggestions for the CFLAGS ? I was thinking that the -march should be left out so as to avoid making it too arch specific. e.g. we couldn't put -march=k8 or march=nocona or -march=athlon64 as that would break the above goal. So perhaps leave off march completely and maybe specify -mtune=generic to at least get in the 64-bit optimizations.

I'm interested in perhaps building several stage4s during my installation progress. SO, I could build a vanilla one just before X is installed, another one after X is installed, and another one after Gnome is installed (yes, I prefer gnome to kde!). As for the USE flags, I was leaning towards using the desktop profile as a starting point, then pulling in a bunch of gnome use flags for the final gnome based stage4.

What are your thoughts ?

voxiac · Post by **voxiac** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 1:45 am

Aniruddha wrote:W00t it is really great that every plans to build alternative stage'4 . However I do think this asked for a more coordinated effort. Common rules/practices that we use to build a stage4. Like for example staying as close to the vanilla version as possible and documenting each added feature. I will post my suggestions asap. Us usual, let me know what you think!

Maybe someone could set up a wiki somewhere, where people could open a page describing their own stage (like whether it was made with catalyst or by hand, which packages it contains etc.). Of course a more specialized engine would be preferable but wiki is good enough for the time being.

BTW
I've recently used your stage to quickly set up a 32 bit chroot on my amd64 box.

Ejunkie · Post by **Ejunkie** » Mon Dec 24, 2007 4:20 am

nice work

i like the project, right now iam using the base image for a laptop installtion and so far i found no problems.

EDIT: maybe its an idea to install the program mirrorselect so people can select there mirror afterwards.

Kasumi_Ninja · Post by **Kasumi_Ninja** » Mon Dec 24, 2007 9:13 am

Ejunkie wrote:nice work i like the project, right now iam using the base image for a laptop installtion and so far i found no problems.

EDIT: maybe its an idea to install the program mirrorselect so people can select there mirror afterwards.

Thanks for letting us know everything worked all right

If nobody else has an objection I will add mirrorselect (since this is also mentioned in the handbook).

el_Salmon · Post by **el_Salmon** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:00 pm

Cool project! I'm searching a quick & dirty way to install a Gentoo Linux with Desktop Environment updated. By the way, I hope a 64 bits version. Until that moment, I'll use Daniel Robbin's stage3-amd64 and snapshot Portage: http://www.funtoo.org/linux/

Eckos · Post by **Eckos** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:09 am

what about a gnome stage4? If I decide to do my own what would be a good place to host it?

C1REX · Post by **C1REX** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:47 pm

Great idea. I really like it.

BTW: Paldo is a mixed source/package distribution. Vanilla distribution for power users with very easy installation and great hardware detection.
I think is a good example to base on. Maybe for stage5 project? : )