kde 3.2.2 is out

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MasterX · Post by **MasterX** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 8:30 pm

Evangelion wrote:[
No software is really ever "ready". There are ALWAYS improvements and bug-fixes to be made.

Am I happy with the bug-fixes in 3.2.2? Hell yes! Is 3.2.1 working well for me? Hell yes!

And besides, why does 3.2 "not being ready yet" somehow stop the release of 3.3? Last time I checked, it's not August yet. By the time 3.3 ships, 3.2 will be "ready" .

This is a discussion on whether fixing a bug could be considering an update and thus requires to change the number of the version. If you look at the changelog for KDE 3.2.0 to 3.2.1 you will see many many bug fixes. In this version only a few and those not related to programs like Konqueror or Kmail, but to programs like kopete, Umbrella, games. No offense here, but I find konqueror more important than Kopete or Umbrella. Therefore to my humble opinion they could have released a new version of the corresponding packages without changing the version of KDE. If a user does not use Kopete, why he/she will want to update KDE. I won't and I think that I will wait for KDE 3.2.3, which according to their release plan is to be released in the first week of May and not later

I am crossing my fingers, but I am afraid it is impossible to fix ~6000 bugs in 5 months.

Epyon · Post by **Epyon** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 8:48 pm

I don't use Konqueror as a web browser because quite honestly it sucks. I don't really care about updates for it. I had no trouble with it as the local file manager though. It does its job without any problems I've noticed.

jarealist · Post by **jarealist** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 9:05 pm

If they "really" fixed this:

kicker: Fix tooltips sometimes not disappearing.

Then it's worth upgrading for me. That just drives me crazy

t_2199 · Post by **t_2199** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 9:20 pm

Epyon wrote:I don't use Konqueror as a web browser because quite honestly it sucks. I don't really care about updates for it. I had no trouble with it as the local file manager though. It does its job without any problems I've noticed.

I never used Konqueror, too because he was just slow, ugly and crashed sometimes on various php boards.

But I really like the new 3.2.1 konqueror (TAB-Support, much faster, color scrollbars).

Konqueror made big progress if you ask me (I know nobody asks me)

Cwiiis · Post by **Cwiiis** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 9:24 pm

I think there are possibly undocumented fixes, perhaps they weren't considered big enough to merit the Changelog... But for example, the broken drag/drop support in KHTML in 3.2.1 I think may be fixed (haven't finished compiling kdebase yet, so not sure) - that was fixed when I installed 3.2.1 and the comment said it was backported into the 3.2 tree then, so I imagine that's included in this...

Also, anyone using Kopete should REALLY try kopete from CVS HEAD - There are some really cool new features and niceties

Arts supporting dmix devices is also quite a huge fix/update imo that would easily warrant a new version number on its own

shm · Post by **shm** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 9:25 pm

Epyon wrote:I don't use Konqueror as a web browser because quite honestly it sucks. I don't really care about updates for it. I had no trouble with it as the local file manager though. It does its job without any problems I've noticed.

I didn't use Konqueror as a web browser until KDE 3.2, but I think it has evolved into a wonderful app. A lot faster to load than firefox, and more integrated too.

shm · Post by **shm** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 9:27 pm

Cwiiis wrote:Also, anyone using Kopete should REALLY try kopete from CVS HEAD - There are some really cool new features and niceties

Agreed.. hopefully the kopete folks do a independent kopete release (or two) that work with kde 3.2.0 before august when kde 3.3 comes out.

I'd say that kopete is finally reaching the "1.0" level. libqt-addon just got added to cvs, so things like http proxying should work real soon now(tm)

Given M. Sur · Post by **Given M. Sur** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 9:39 pm

I think there are possibly undocumented fixes, perhaps they weren't considered big enough to merit the Changelog.

I hope not, because I didn't see any bugfixes that would make any difference to me in the changelog. But, what if an undocumented one would.

Do changelogs (in general) usually not document all the bug fixes?

firephoto · Post by **firephoto** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 9:45 pm

Ran into a little problem with kdebase but a quick check here reveals it's been fixed.

Big thanks to Caleb and everyone else with kde@gentoo.

wilburpan · Post by **wilburpan** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 9:51 pm

00420 wrote:Do changelogs (in general) usually not document all the bug fixes?

Unfortunately, documentation (in general) usually does not document all of anything.

Sometimes even the changelogs in Portage are sometimes cryptic, at best. On more than one occasion I've noticed changes to an ebuild being committed without any documentation as to why the changes are being made.

For example: here's the (edited) changelog for the ebuild for portage-2.0.51_pre3:

Code: Select all

Revision 1.2 - Fixing digest

Revision 1.1 - New portage!

Not much information on the differences between this version of portage and the _pre2 version.

Please feel free to pull this thread back on topic any time.

LinuxRocks · Post by **LinuxRocks** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 9:56 pm

How would I got about upgradeing to 3.2.2. Im sort of new to Gentoo, so I havent learned everything yet.

Thanks!!!

Joe

Cwiiis · Post by **Cwiiis** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 10:06 pm

I'd wait a couple of days so that the kde 3.2.2 are confirmed to work ok, then 'ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 emerge -vp kde' - That'll show what packages would be merged, check that the output's ok, then remove the '-vp'. However, I suggest you stick with using stable packages til you get used to Gentoo/portage a bit

LinuxRocks · Post by **LinuxRocks** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 10:26 pm

OK.. Good idea, however, I did that as a test to see what packages would be installed, and this was the output:

ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 emerge -vp kde

These are the packages that I would merge, in order:

Calculating dependencies ...done!
[ebuild R ] kde-base/kde-3.2.1 [empty/missing/bad digest]

Total size of downloads: 0 kB

Is there something I need to do to get the 3.2.2 to show?

Thanks!!!

Joe

[::Shansa::] · Post by **[::Shansa::]** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 11:02 pm

looks like Caleb is getting tired... he forgot the 'kde' meta-ebuild... Booooooooooooooohhhh!!!

Cwiiis · Post by **Cwiiis** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 11:08 pm

And kdemultimedia, kdeaddons, kdegraphics, kdetoys, kdeedu, kdeaccessibility, kdeartwork, kdeadmin, kdegames and kdei18n

I don't think he's quite finished yet :p hehe

[::Shansa::] · Post by **[::Shansa::]** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 11:12 pm

definitly I'm getting tired too

anyway, to all the whinners (no offense, just teasing), it seems that the ChangeLog really is only a small bit of all the changes that made it to 3.2.2, so try it and judge

Cwiiis · Post by **Cwiiis** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 11:43 pm

Using kdebase/libs 3.2.2 now - I was right, the dragndrop bug is fixed and not present in the Change log, and that was a pretty critical bug imo, so try it and see if your 'favourite' bug is fixed. Not noticed any show-stoppers yet, but only been in for 5 minutes :p

LinuxRocks · Post by **LinuxRocks** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 11:50 pm

I did an emerge sync and it still isnt showing me the new KDE version. Is there something else I need to put in the

ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" emerge -vp kde

line. Also, I tried using export for this line like export ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86"
and still no go.

Thanks for the help !!!

Joe

eean · Post by **eean** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 11:51 pm

Cwiiis wrote:Using kdebase/libs 3.2.2 now - I was right, the dragndrop bug is fixed and not present in the Change log, and that was a pretty critical bug imo, so try it and see if your 'favourite' bug is fixed. Not noticed any show-stoppers yet, but only been in for 5 minutes :p

Yea, this is the exact bug that made me think 'finally' when I say KDE was released. Apparently a regression occured shortly before 3.2.1 and the bug fix just barely missed that release.

I like having two browser windows open and just dragging URLs between them at will. I've been having to do the old right click, copy url and then paste it into the other window.

Techno_Mage · Post by **Techno_Mage** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 12:01 am

Quick question...

When upgrading KDE is it a good idea to use another WM and not be in KDE? Just wondering, I rebooted into TWM and continued my kdebase 3.2.2 emerge...

TechnoMage

Cwiiis · Post by **Cwiiis** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 12:11 am

Last time I synced, these ebuilds have been updated:
arts
kdelibs
kdebase
kdenetwork
kdepim
kdeutils

These ones haven't:
kde
kde-i18n
kdeaccessibility
kdeaddons
kdeadmin
kdeartwork
kdebindings
kdeedu
kdegames
kdegraphics
kdemultimedia
kdesdk
kdetoys

Obviously the 'kde' ebuild can't be updated til all the other kde packages are updated, so I guess we might be waiting for a bit. There aren't really any major changes though in anything except kdenetwork, kdemultimedia and kdesdk out of the packages that haven't been updated and I imagine if you really want to build them, it'd be quite easy to make the ebuilds by modifying the 3.2.1 ebuilds and creating a new digest...

shm · Post by **shm** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 12:17 am

retribrute wrote:who cares?

kde sucks

sorry for the OT post.. I just HAD to respond..

retribute- why we know that you hate KDE (that's totally fine, your choice), but why do you bother letting us know in every thread you post to that is related to kde or an kde-app? Even if it is tounge-in-cheek, it is bothersome to those who also visit those threads

not the first time you've done it:
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php? ... ht=#583283
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php? ... ht=#727139
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php? ... ht=#705868
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php? ... ht=#705864
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php? ... ht=#730598
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php? ... ht=#697805

rfujimoto · Post by **rfujimoto** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 12:21 am

There is one major regression with 3.2.2 and that is Ark cannot handle tar'd files. Which kind of renders the app useless hehe... it's known about though and it's described on the 3.2.2 info page.

Techno_Mage, it doesn't *really* matter whether you're in kde or not, everything is loaded into memory and any new application instances you start should seamlessly use the newly compiled libraries fine. I don't know this for sure, but since it's only a minor release update, everything should be fine.

Epyon · Post by **Epyon** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 12:49 am

rfujimoto wrote:There is one major regression with 3.2.2 and that is Ark cannot handle tar'd files. Which kind of renders the app useless hehe... it's known about though and it's described on the 3.2.2 info page.

Wow that kind of sucks...

caleb · Post by **caleb** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 1:31 am

wilburpan wrote: Not much information on the differences between this version of portage and the _pre2 version.

To be fair, portage's changelog isn't in portage itself, but in the gentoo-src CVS tree:

http://www.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.c ... cvs-markup

That said, not everyone is good about documenting their changes.