e17 does work on gentoo!! yayyyyyyyyyy!

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Post by **sarnold** » Sun Jun 29, 2003 3:01 am

I can't get the latest ebuild to work at all (I had several previous ebuilds working, and yes I have fam and efsd running, and no, I'm not trying to run it as root).

I even removed the current binaries (ie, I unmerged all the e17 pieces that are part of the new ebuild), plus my old /usr/e17/* directories, rebuilt the latest e17, and it still doesn't work. It appears to start fine, my backgrounds and iconbars all show up fine.

But as soon as I launch any app, whether from iconbar or menu, the whole thing bombs back to the gdm login screen. What gives?

Any tips would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance, Steve

silux · Post by **silux** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 4:59 pm

I have no desire to go through the hassle of installing very beta software that Raster will probably rip up and start over again before its finally released as DR 0.17 but I'm very interested as to what is actually new with this release. If anyone could give me the heads up with the new features I'd appreciate it

Satyrinox · Post by **Satyrinox** » Sat Nov 22, 2003 12:04 pm

heh maybe if ya have some really hard problems , it would be a good idea to talk to raster himself in irc.freenode.com at channel #E
but hes a very busy guy , but who knows , hes a good guy with a lot to do ,but is always up to help !

REMINDER: THERE IS NO DR17 RIGHT NOW. e17/apps/e WILL NOT BUILD WITH THE CURRENT LIBS!!!!

maxmc · Post by **maxmc** » Sat Nov 22, 2003 12:17 pm

Satyrinox wrote: heh maybe if ya have some really hard problems , it would be a good idea to talk to raster himself in irc.freenode.com at channel #E
but hes a very busy guy , but who knows , hes a good guy with a lot to do ,but is always up to help !

REMINDER: THERE IS NO DR17 RIGHT NOW. e17/apps/e WILL NOT BUILD WITH THE CURRENT LIBS!!!!

You realise that this thread was long dead?

azote · Post by **azote** » Fri Nov 28, 2003 6:33 pm

maxmc wrote:
Satyrinox wrote: heh maybe if ya have some really hard problems , it would be a good idea to talk to raster himself in irc.freenode.com at channel #E
but hes a very busy guy , but who knows , hes a good guy with a lot to do ,but is always up to help !

REMINDER: THERE IS NO DR17 RIGHT NOW. e17/apps/e WILL NOT BUILD WITH THE CURRENT LIBS!!!!
You realise that this thread was long dead?

Well we can bring it lo life again ...

Satyrinox · Post by **Satyrinox** » Tue Jan 13, 2004 6:36 am

Yes i knew it was dead , thanks for reminding me

HandyAndE · Post by **HandyAndE** » Thu Jan 15, 2004 12:35 pm

Well, indeed whilst this thread is dead I think it almost time to start talking on the subject again.

Many of the base libs (EFL) are coming along nicely and there are a large collection of apps that now compile against them.

Given a little time raster will be returning to the coding of the WM and we should see somthing to test after that.

Keep up the anticipation, it will be worth it in the end!

Handy

Achilles · Post by **Achilles** » Thu Jan 15, 2004 2:04 pm

I think e17 would be amazing if it had an expocity like application built into it... are there any plans for such an app?

regeya · Post by **regeya** » Thu Jan 15, 2004 2:22 pm

silux wrote:I have no desire to go through the hassle of installing very beta software that Raster will probably rip up and start over again before its finally released as DR 0.17 but I'm very interested as to what is actually new with this release. If anyone could give me the heads up with the new features I'd appreciate it

This seems incredibly prophetic, given that Rasted did indeed do this fairly recently; I can't find the dated news item anymore, but I think it happened in December. I also think it's very telling that the latest news item on enlightenment.org is dated November 5.

I almost wish Raster had just stuck with the FVWM code; how many rewrites has Enlightenment gone through so far, and how many times has this broken compatibility with previous versions? I used to love the idea of E, and was looking forward to EFM integration four years ago, but I've all but given up on Raster and Mandrake ever producing anything usable ever again.

yagami · Post by **yagami** » Thu Jan 15, 2004 2:34 pm

yeah , i love E 0.16 and all

and to think that enlightenment 0.16 , even for todays standards a feature window manager was released about 5 years ago (maybe more)

but E 0.17 is taking too long ...

even mozilla didnt take that long

Mindstab · Post by **Mindstab** » Thu Jan 15, 2004 6:42 pm

Ok. First, CVS is still hella active. All the libs are still reciving lots of treatment. So thats good. Pretty much now we are garunted to havea nice new set of gui libs if nothing else.

see this tho
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=enlight ... 815413&w=2
Rasterman responding to a "when" question. He's got some WM code on his box, not useable yet, and he'll put it in cvs when it is. So yeah. Still might a be a bit, but it'll be here someday yet. I've got my fingers crossed for this year. Although I said that last year too

HandyAndE · Post by **HandyAndE** » Fri Jan 16, 2004 10:40 am

Achilles wrote:I think e17 would be amazing if it had an expocity like application built into it... are there any plans for such an app?

Many of these features are planned, but no work has been done on specifics yet. Basically WM specific idease are just that, still ideas - we cannot code it till the code base is there

Hope that makes sense!

HandyAndE · Post by **HandyAndE** » Fri Jan 16, 2004 10:42 am

regeya wrote:I almost wish Raster had just stuck with the FVWM code; how many rewrites has Enlightenment gone through so far, and how many times has this broken compatibility with previous versions?

Whilst you have a point I think that evan a quick look at Evas or Edje etc etc will prove that it is worth while and an excellent overall choice

HandyAndE · Post by **HandyAndE** » Fri Jan 16, 2004 10:44 am

regeya wrote:Rasted did indeed do this fairly recently; I can't find the dated news item anymore, but I think it happened in December. I also think it's very telling that the latest news item on enlightenment.org is dated November 5.

Actually it was in September that the Dead 17wm code was announced - it is in the news pages. Chill man - all will be made good!

mallchin · Post by **mallchin** » Wed Mar 03, 2004 12:20 pm

regeya wrote:
silux wrote: I almost wish Raster had just stuck with the FVWM code; how many rewrites has Enlightenment gone through so far, and how many times has this broken compatibility with previous versions? I used to love the idea of E, and was looking forward to EFM integration four years ago, but I've all but given up on Raster and Mandrake ever producing anything usable ever again.
I remember trying e 6 or 7 years ago but recently development seems to have gone into somewhat of a decline. e16 still looks much like older versions and brings back some fun memories first trying linux.

I think it's a shame as I had always been a hardcore e fan but e17 is well past the due date and some other great wm's have surfaced over the past few years; I have since long abandoned any hope.

smiley · Post by **smiley** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 7:08 am

Okay, a couple of things to say:

First, for those of you who think e17 is dead and/or not worth the wait, I highly suggest that you try the entrance display manager. e17 may not be there yet, but there are applications built on the EFL (Enightenment Foundation Libraries), and they are under very active development. There are new cvs ebuilds aprox. every one to two weeks in portage.

Second, I have a question for HandyAndE (or any one else who knows). I've been trying to follow e development for a while, and I've had this question. I haven't done any gui programming, so I hope this isn't stupid, but what exactly is the relationship/difference between ewl and edje? I know that ewl is a widget library, and that it would compare with gtk/qt. But edje is for building/theming gui interfaces, and ewl uses edje for theming. If I was writing a program, would it be a choice between ewl and edje? Or do you use both at the same time?

Thanks

smiley

mallchin · Post by **mallchin** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 4:43 pm

smiley wrote:Okay, a couple of things to say:

First, for those of you who think e17 is dead and/or not worth the wait, I highly suggest that you try the entrance display manager.

I promise I'm not being picky but I tried entrance and unmerged it shortly afterwards, it looked similar to elogin but with more bugs...

Does it have any new features over and above gdm or kdm (or elogin)?

smiley · Post by **smiley** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 7:01 pm

Well, I guess I'm a bit of an e fanatic. . . .

But anyway, entrance is definately still in development so I understand not using it permanantly, though I can say that the bugs are going away

. I suggested trying it (1) to show that development is progressing even though it's not necessarily obvious, and (2) as a small demonstration of the new e libs. Specifically its a good example of the power of edje. If you or anyone feels so inclined, you can change the entrance theme by following these steps:

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ls /usr/share/entrance/themes

su to root in an xterm and execute

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edb_gtk /etc/entrance.db

Look for the key that says theme in it and change the key to one of the entrance themes. tailights.eet is the best imo, and gentooed.eet for some reason hasn't worked for a couple weeks.

(btw, if you change session 0 to the dm/wm you use, then you don't have to change it every time you log in.

As far as how it compares with gdm/kdm/elogin, I can't really say as I haven't used them. Before I started using entrance, I only used startx, and even now I don't always use entrance.

smiley

bergs · Post by **bergs** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 8:10 pm

I'm realy looking forward to e17! But I am not yet very impressed with entice and evidence.

Both look good but they lack important feautures. E.g. evidence is not able to have different apps for one mime-type, and evidence does not provide easy image editing options. These programs don't have useful option-dialogs at all ...

At the moment I am happy with XFCE4, let's see if e17 will be better (I doubt it

).

Simon

morgant · Post by **morgant** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 5:39 am

I have to say I can't believe how many naysayers are coming out of the woodwork to talk about how e17 is
never going to be done
taking too long
won't be very good.

I've started using entrance as the login manager on my laptop, and while it does have a few quirks, it works very well for the most part (not to mention turning a few heads).

Honestly, from the design approach the project has taken, I'm amazed at how much is done. You don't just decide to build all your support libraries from scratch and then one day magically have a window manager. I guess what I'm saying is that while I understand the general impatience for e17, looking at the amount of work they have already put in should let you know that good things are going to happen.

Just $0.02

curtis119 · Post by **curtis119** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 7:12 am

I tried entrance for about a week and loved the way it looked. IT impressed a lot of my friends.

I still use it if I'm trying to impress someone but for daily use I stick with GDM. Entrance always has to be restarted if DPMS blanks the monitor. When it's a little more stable though, I will be a loyal user. I just hope the rest of e17 follows soon.

paperp · Post by **paperp** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 11:24 am

...i'm using entrace for a while but...
I'm not able to see th cursor!
If a set the string software to GL my keyboards don't give the input to user and paassword anymore...
I've tried a lot of times to change the configure interface but no good result got...any suggestion??
Lat but not least the grafic and beauty level is amzing/astonishing..no doubt!!

mallchin · Post by **mallchin** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 12:18 pm

morgant wrote:I have to say I can't believe how many naysayers are coming out of the woodwork to talk about how e17 is
never going to be done
taking too long
won't be very good.

I've started using entrance as the login manager on my laptop, and while it does have a few quirks, it works very well for the most part (not to mention turning a few heads).

Honestly, from the design approach the project has taken, I'm amazed at how much is done. You don't just decide to build all your support libraries from scratch and then one day magically have a window manager. I guess what I'm saying is that while I understand the general impatience for e17, looking at the amount of work they have already put in should let you know that good things are going to happen.

Just $0.02

Development just seems slower then usual, and I have seen several other window managers come into there own whilst e sits bubbling quietly away in the background. It's like waiting for Halfi-Life 2, and this time there's no excuse for leaked source code

smiley · Post by **smiley** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 3:24 am

paperp wrote:...i'm using entrace for a while but...
I'm not able to see th cursor!
If a set the string software to GL my keyboards don't give the input to user and paassword anymore...
I've tried a lot of times to change the configure interface but no good result got...any suggestion??
Lat but not least the grafic and beauty level is amzing/astonishing..no doubt!!

Are you using the most recent snapshot of entrance? I assume that you're talking about the key that used to be in entrance.db for setting rendering to software or hardware, however that isn't present anymore. BTW, every time you upgrade entrance, make sure that you overwrite the old entrance.db, as the old one is sometimes different from the new one and may not work correctly.

smiley

TheGreatPhilHansen · Post by **TheGreatPhilHansen** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 5:51 am

Currently you can't use entrance in opengl due to a bug which won't let you type anything in the login window. This a known bug that is being worked on. I'm not sure if it affects all hardware or not, but it does happen on my Geforce FX.

e17 does work on gentoo!! yayyyyyyyyyy!

no luck with latest ebuild

What is new feature wise with E17

heh

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yes

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4 years

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