Or, sell it so someone who has real use for it. You get some extra money and he/she gets a cheap computer.

The Gentoo community which suddenly quabbles over which package manager is better.

You mean the same way as KDE/Gnome/XFCE/Whatever is splitting the Gentoo community? Or all the various instant messaging clients are breaking Gentoo apart? I don't think so... I think Paludis, Portage and pkgcore ...

People running around with signs in the style of "Paludis, the better package manager" don't really help keeping a community together. .

Which community? "Portage user community"? Why do you think it is a bad thing there are many Paludis users and many Portage users? Why would it be better to ...

Ormaaj wrote:This is a job for a feed-reader; Not a configuration tool, or a package manager.

I disagree. This is the best place to announce package installation related stuff: straight after you sync the Portage tree. And it gets noticed with 100% confidence.

the major argument against paludis:
its devs and fans are very aggressive and like to create an aura of 'we are better than thou' around them.

I don't know... To me it looks like the most aggressive comments come from a few individuals who don't like (for one reason or another) Paludis and its ...

sl70 wrote:Tried it. Didn't really change anything.

Could you post /var/log/Xorg.0.log

Kvetch wrote:No I understand that but once in a blue moon, I add or remove something from an old kernel so I still want the source in /usr/src/blahblahblah just in case.

Why do you use the old kernels in the first place?

This is from /etc/conf.d/fsck:

# fsck_shutdown causes fsck to trigger during shutdown as well as startup.
# The end result of this is that if any periodic non-root filesystem checks are
# scheduled, under normal circumstances the actual check will happen during
# shutdown rather than at next boot ...

Please post:

"emerge --info"

How to uninstall gcc-4.1.2 now after I'v swithed to using gcc-4.3.2?

Or just: If a package is required by <system>, is there a clean way to uninstall it?

I switched back to portage. I didn't understand paludis. I really gave it a good try. I used it for several months, but I just couldn't understand the documentation well enough to use it as well as portage. It seemed 99% of the documentation had to do with the api and not general use. If I had a ...

I didn't read the whole manual, though. If the programmers expect me to read the whole manual just for basic usage, I am not their target group. .

Just type:

paludis --help

The short commands are shown in the beginning. No need to read the whole thing. Takes only about 2 seconds. Learning ...

That looks like paludis now does have short options. When I last tried it, paludis had only the long options, leading to me having to say

I don't know. Paludis has had short options for basic tasks at least since year 2006. So it must've been a long time you tried Paludis? Actually I believe ...

* I have to type damn much
* I make too many typos and have to repeat the command
* No "fire and checkback" - I always have to remember and edit the last command instead of saying "--ask"/"-a" and then just hitting enter if I'm satisfied.

If I'd always need all the options, that would be not ...

This won't get me to use Paludis, though, because its interface simply isn't usable to me

What do you mean by "usable"? But it is true that it is different than Portage UI. So if you just want identical UI, switching to Paludis is hard, I guess. I don't find anything unusable in Paludis UI and it ...

Did you manage to reduce the compile times?
Last time I compiled it, Paludis took hours to finish (more than a few months ago).

I guess that depends on your hardware. I have an "old" Core2Duo and the compile time is about 8 minutes (Paludis 0.36.0) - and I browsed the web at the same time. So on ...

" You want make the header file as minimal as possible (for speed/memory usage, for example) "
No. The final compiled and linked product won't gain anything out of "minimal header files" unless there is something seriously wrong with the unrderlying base design of the program. It just might compile ...

2103 files in 81 folders. This much for a package manager?

So you think it is better to have only one very large main.cc instead of breaking it into smaller entities which are easier to maintain?? I don't understand what is the problem here...

The .cc files contain a total of 7102 include ...

Eli laittais kaikki tarvittavat peruskikkareet, ja gnome pöydän
ja jättäis muiltaosin käsikäynnistettäväksi.

Meneekö yhdellä käskyllä ???

Ei edes kahdella. Gentoo on perusasennuksen jälkeen täysi raakile, jossa ei ole edes X (Linuxin graafinen systeemi, jota kaikki työpöydät käyttävät ...

Viestisi..Lähetetty: Ke Helmi 18, 2009 6:15 am [/u] :wink:
(Oli vain huomio näytettävästä ajasta...ei kuulu varsinaisesti kysymyksiini)

Aaah. Tuohon aikaan olen yleensä kyllä nukkumassa :D, joten luultavasti sinulla on foorumin aika-asetukset metsikössä. Klikkaapa tuota "Profile"-nappia foorumin ...

Tänne asti tsekkasin ohjetta ja olin käsittävinäni, että käynnistystä ei ole vielä
sorkittu.
Koodilistaus 2.3: Grub.conf käsin asennetuille ytimille
Pitääkö Grub.conf löytyä asennetulta osiolta, vai riittääkö, jos näillä
kikkareilla viittaa suoraan ubuntu käynnistyksestä eli # menu.lst tiedostosta ...

Minua tarkoitat? Kieltämättä vähän hätäisesti tuossa sanoin mutta kyllähän se näin toimii. Grub.conf vai mikä se olikaan

:D On ihan pikkuinen ero, tarkoitetaanko grub.conf:ia vai .configia, kuten jo tuossa selitin.

Tuhertajapappa: kun asennat manuaalisesti, ei Gentoo sorki yhtään mitään, vaan ...

Argh. Ei saa antaa neuvoa, jos ei ole varma niiden oikeellisuudesta.

Grub:n asetukset tulevat yleensä /boot/grub/grub.conf -tiedostoon. Jos sinulla on Ubuntu jo asennettuna, niin ota selvää, minne grub.conf on mennyt. Kernelin asetukset puolestaan ovat /usr/src/linux/.config -tiedostossa. Näitä ei ...

I would be deliriously happy to fix all of these myself, except that I doubt I would know how or where to post it to get anyone else to use the fixed versions, and I get the distinct feeling nobody really cares much about any of this console Unicode junk anyway, so I'd probably be the only user of ...

Käytä sitä vaan - sama se mitä käyttää, kunhan pääset konsoliin/terminaaliin. Ja sitten vaan seuraat Handbookia.