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honeymak · Post by **honeymak** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:14 am

hi......just little bit personal feelings

it's good to announce stuff thru eselect news
i like that

i don't need to look up thru slow ff while i m in prompt console
;-p

djanderson · Post by **djanderson** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:58 am

++

I've been waiting for this to get going for a long time... can you believe the idea was officially proposed almost 4 years ago? http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/glep/glep-0042.html

But better late than never

... I hope this saves a few headaches.

yabbadabbadont · Post by **yabbadabbadont** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:50 am

The only problem that I have with it is that it doesn't support bash completion like some of the other eselect modules do. It is a pain to type in the entire article ID, especially when there is only one. Now if I could only figure out how the others support bashcomp, I would see about adding it to the news module...

djanderson · Post by **djanderson** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 4:00 am

yabbadabbadont wrote:The only problem that I have with it is that it doesn't support bash completion like some of the other eselect modules do. It is a pain to type in the entire article ID, especially when there is only one. Now if I could only figure out how the others support bashcomp, I would see about adding it to the news module...

Try

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eselect news read new

or even

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eselect news read 1

worked for me. (Both will only work when you have a NEW message, so you probably can't try it now... you can do

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eselect news read all

though).

-Doug

yabbadabbadont · Post by **yabbadabbadont** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 4:36 am

Pshaw! No one worth their salt actually reads the help docs...

Thanks for the tip.

djanderson · Post by **djanderson** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 5:48 am

yabbadabbadont wrote:Pshaw! No one worth their salt actually reads the help docs...

hehe... I HAD to because yeah, not having bash completion is a bit of a pain, huh? You should definitely figure that out and submit a patch

Oh, and

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$ eselect news read
!!! Error: You didn't tell me what you want to read
Killed

seems a bit excessive to me... just playing around with this module makes me feel like every other step is "!!! ERROR !!! KILLED!!! arrrrg".

yabbadabbadont · Post by **yabbadabbadont** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 10:04 am

djanderson wrote:
yabbadabbadont wrote:Pshaw! No one worth their salt actually reads the help docs...
hehe... I HAD to because yeah, not having bash completion is a bit of a pain, huh? You should definitely figure that out and submit a patch

Oh, and
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$ eselect news read
!!! Error: You didn't tell me what you want to read
Killed
seems a bit excessive to me... just playing around with this module makes me feel like every other step is "!!! ERROR !!! KILLED!!! arrrrg".

Good Lord! You mean you actually expect it to gracefully handle errors?!? They've only been working on it for four years. Give it a reasonable amount of time to mature and I'm sure they'll iron out all the bugs. (say, another four years or so

)

slackline · Post by **slackline** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:02 pm

I guess I'm being dumb

, but...

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# eselect news list
Unread news items:
  (none found)
Read news items:
  (none found)

I'd be grateful if someone could tell me where I actually grab the news from?

Cheers

slack

Qanii · Post by **Qanii** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:42 pm

slack---line wrote:I guess I'm being dumb , but...
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# eselect news list
Unread news items:
  (none found)
Read news items:
  (none found)
I'd be grateful if someone could tell me where I actually grab the news from?

Cheers

slack

I have had the same problem.
re-emerging eselect and eselect-news fixed it.

slackline · Post by **slackline** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:23 pm

Qanii wrote: I have had the same problem.
re-emerging eselect and eselect-news fixed it.

Hmm, just tried that and no joy

slack

timeBandit · Post by **timeBandit** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:29 pm

Qanii wrote:
slack---line wrote:I'd be grateful if someone could tell me where I actually grab the news from?
I have had the same problem.
re-emerging eselect and eselect-news fixed it.

Not likely. No doubt you ran emerge --sync when you (re-)merged those packages.

News items are part of the Portage tree. They are downloaded when you sync your tree.

castor_fou · Post by **castor_fou** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 5:22 pm

I really like it a lot.
It is a brilliant idea to announce major migrations that way.
I guess it is why I love gentoo so much...

The only con with this approach is that I won't have to search for hours why I broke my system. And that was good occasions to learn how linux works too.

timeBandit · Post by **timeBandit** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 5:42 pm

castor_fou wrote:The only con with this approach is that I won't have to search for hours why I broke my system. And that was good occasions to learn how linux works too.

Well, the Gentoo Way is to provide choices: You have the option to break your system first, then read the news after you try to solve the problem on your own.

Just remember two key phrases if that educational plan goes horribly awry: "we told you so" (via news) and "you get to keep the pieces."

curtis119 · Post by **curtis119** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 10:01 pm

All I have to say about this is: "FINALLY!".

Now I would like to say: "THANK YOU!"

yabbadabbadont · Post by **yabbadabbadont** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 12:23 am

michael_c_napier wrote:Now I would like to say: "THANK YOU!"

Contrary to how I may have sounded above, I too would like to thank the Gentoo devs who made the news module for eselect possible. It is very nice to be given a "heads up" right after syncing when major changes are afoot.

d2_racing · Post by **d2_racing** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 2:37 am

In fact, with the warning at the end of the line, you cannot miss a news nowadays

yabbadabbadont · Post by **yabbadabbadont** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 3:02 am

d2_racing wrote:In fact, with the warning at the end of the line, you cannot miss a news nowadays

You could if you sync through a cron job and don't have an MTA installed and configured.

(Always remember that Murphy was an optimist...)

d2_racing · Post by **d2_racing** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 3:04 am

It's a pretty nice new feature

slackline · Post by **slackline** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:41 am

timeBandit wrote:
Qanii wrote:
slack---line wrote:I'd be grateful if someone could tell me where I actually grab the news from?
I have had the same problem.
re-emerging eselect and eselect-news fixed it.
Not likely. No doubt you ran emerge --sync when you (re-)merged those packages.

News items are part of the Portage tree. They are downloaded when you sync your tree.

Ahh ha, this may explain why I get nothing since I use the following command to sync nightly on an NSLU2 NAS device that I then mount over NFS for my desktop and laptop...

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rsync --recursive --links --safe-links --perms --times --compress --force --whole-file --delete --stats --timeout=180 --exclude=/distfiles --exclude=/local --exclude=/packages rsync://rsync.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage /usr/portage/

Are the news items located in /distfiles, /local or /packages and I'm inadvertently excluding the news items with the above?

sera · Post by **sera** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 11:55 am

Are the news items located in /distfiles, /local or /packages and I'm inadvertently excluding the news items with the above?

There exists /var/log/news/ on my system but it's always empty. I wonder if there is a minimum portage version needed to get this feature to work.

slackline · Post by **slackline** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 12:21 pm

sera wrote:
Are the news items located in /distfiles, /local or /packages and I'm inadvertently excluding the news items with the above?
There exists /var/log/news/ on my system but it's always empty. I wonder if there is a minimum portage version needed to get this feature to work.

Whilst I'm still unable to suss out where the news items are stored, I don't think its /var/log/news/ since when you sync your portage tree its all within /usr/portage/ (if my understanding is correct).

sera · Post by **sera** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 12:28 pm

Ok, found the non empty directory /usr/portage/metadata/news/

slackline · Post by **slackline** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 2:54 pm

sera wrote:Ok, found the non empty directory /usr/portage/metadata/news/

Good detective work, I too have stuff in there and it appears to be up-to-date, but eselect news still doesn't report anything...

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$ ls /usr/portage/metadata/news/
2007-05-04-paludis-0.24    2009-04-06-tetex         timestamp.chk
2009-01-04-sparc-multilib  2009-04-06-x_server-1_5
$ eselect news list
Unread news items:
  (none found)
Read news items:
  (none found)

Does anyone have any suggestions or experience as to why this might be the case

timeBandit · Post by **timeBandit** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 3:17 pm

This resets the read/unread markers for the main Portage tree:

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# rm /var/lib/gentoo/news/news-gentoo.*
# find /usr/portage/metadata/news -mindepth 1 -type d -printf "%P\n" >/var/lib/gentoo/news/news-gentoo.unread

eselect news list will then list all news items. Note that news items are tracked per overlay, by repository name (gentoo is the main tree). Files named news-foo.* track news for overlay foo.

slackline · Post by **slackline** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 3:26 pm

timeBandit wrote:This resets the read/unread markers for the main Portage tree:
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# rm /var/lib/gentoo/news/news-gentoo.*
# find /usr/portage/metadata/news -mindepth 1 -type d -printf "%P\n" >/var/lib/gentoo/news/news-gentoo.unread
eselect news list will then list all news items. Note that news items are tracked per overlay, by repository name (gentoo is the main tree).

Cheers timeBandit, that has indeed done the trick. Very much appreciated.