[NEWS] April GMN

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KillerX · Post by **KillerX** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 4:48 am

This thread is for discussion of the April issue of the Gentoo Monthly Newsletter. We hope you enjoyed reading it!

If you liked a certain article or felt that the GMN was published with something that we could do without, let us know. You can also put your comments and suggestions on how you think the next GMN should be.

rgk · Post by **rgk** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 4:57 am

i don't see it on the front page

edit: now its there

mark_alec · Post by **mark_alec** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 5:52 am

rgk wrote:i don't see it on the front page

Refresh.

ABCDwp · Post by **ABCDwp** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 6:09 am

The newsletter says that the next bugday will be (Monday) 5 May, but the linked page says that it will be (Saturday) 3 May. Which is correct?

KillerX · Post by **KillerX** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 6:13 am

ABCDwp wrote:The newsletter says that the next bugday will be (Monday) 5 May, but the linked page says that it will be (Saturday) 3 May. Which is correct?

May 03 is correct. The GMN has been corrected and the change should appear shortly.

rhoberma · Post by **rhoberma** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 7:19 am

I love the new graphs - makes it really easy to get a sense of what is happening.

swimmer · Post by **swimmer** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 8:32 am

Wonderful interview with Ramon van Alteren! I loved to read about a Gentoo Server Park in a high profile live environment! I never dared to propagate that when I was still working in IT

Greetz
swimmer

maggu2810 · Post by **maggu2810** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 8:40 am

After a long wait, baselayout-2 and OpenRC have finally hit the unstable
tree.

I thought the correct name for ~arch is testing, not unstable.

Clarifying the meaning of x86 and ~x86
http://www.gentoo.org/news/en/gwn/20030 ... letter.xml

http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/41628

http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ge ... vel/12810/

swimmer · Post by **swimmer** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 9:28 am

Oh - and there is an error in Listing 4.3 - it should be

rc-status default

and not

rc-default default

...

Greetz
swimmer

96140 · Post by **96140** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 9:54 am

maggu2810 · Post by **maggu2810** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 10:02 am

nightmorph wrote:Those quotes are all 5 years old. Things change.

I know, but I never read something else about the nomenclature. So I thought testing is keyword masked and unstable could be hard masked.
Is there an 'official' statement that determines the 'official' names?

ColdWind · Post by **ColdWind** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:17 pm

maggu2810 wrote:
nightmorph wrote:Those quotes are all 5 years old. Things change.
I know, but I never read something else about the nomenclature. So I thought testing is keyword masked and unstable could be hard masked.
Is there an 'official' statement that determines the 'official' names?

AFAIK, hard masked ebuilds are not "unstable", they are "not supported for end-users". Debian's testing and unstable concepts doesn't apply to Gentoo. If you unmask all hard masked packages you won't get the equivalent to Debian's unstable... you'll get a screwed system.

Call ~arch testing or unstable (who cares?) but the set of package.mask'ed packages is not the unstable "branch".

renrutal · Post by **renrutal** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 5:14 pm

What charting software do you use to make the graphs for the GMN?

timeBandit · Post by **timeBandit** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 6:46 pm

renrutal wrote:What charting software do you use to make the graphs for the GMN?

[post=4876184]Asked & answered.[/post]

rgk · Post by **rgk** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:04 am

Ah i see you guys added my irssi + bitlbee tip

thanks

rogerx · Post by **rogerx** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:15 am

I would enjoy the interviews done using audio instead of transcript only (ie. Convert "Heard in the Community" into LinuxCrazy format which also posts the transcripts. The "Heard in the Community" has a great interview format -- For instance, highlighting developers' favorites applications, etc!).

Hey, just call it "Gentoo Radio"

Paapaa · Post by **Paapaa** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:28 am

KillerX wrote:This thread is for discussion of the April issue of the Gentoo Monthly Newsletter. We hope you enjoyed reading it!

Great job, guys and gils! But you always forget this important thing: always put a link to the article/newsletter in these discussion threads. In the first post.

Thanks

TRauMa · Post by **TRauMa** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:21 am

The GWN in the new format really is nice, and I like the graphs, too. Great job!

twstd3bc · Post by **twstd3bc** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:59 pm

This is a VERY NICE Newsletter!

rogerx · Post by **rogerx** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:08 pm

The first half of the interview, the interviewer was strict with questions. Second half, tended to relax a little and actually hold a discussion with whom he was interviewing.

Relax... it's not like like you're interrogating a hostage. Have a discussion. (If you have to, pretend you're talking to a beautiful naked girl ...ok, maybe not such a great idea...

BTW: I never knew Spanky was such a swell sounding guy! I'm shocked.

steveL · Post by **steveL** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 8:22 am

ColdWind wrote:
maggu2810 wrote:I thought testing is keyword masked and unstable could be hard masked.
Is there an 'official' statement that determines the 'official' names?
AFAIK, hard masked ebuilds are not "unstable", they are "not supported for end-users". Debian's testing and unstable concepts doesn't apply to Gentoo. If you unmask all hard masked packages you won't get the equivalent to Debian's unstable... you'll get a screwed system.

Call ~arch testing or unstable (who cares?) but the set of package.mask'ed packages is not the unstable "branch".

Historically it's stable and unstable in gentoo, and hard masked are "known to break". Nowadays, with all the overlays, I'd call ~arch the equivalent of debian testing, and overlays the new unstable (hope I've got those the right way round.) Newer stuff tends to come in via overlays (unless it's based on a long-standing project, which might still be worked on in an unofficial overlay) where most of the interesting stuff happens if you follow the code; ~arch in that context is much more of a QA stage than it used to be.

This is prob'y why many think Gentoo's no longer bleeding-edge: ~arch used to be much more so than it is now, and people think it has to be in the main tree to count as Gentoo. That stuff now happens in overlays which are an excellent way to organise things imo, since you simply add the overlay for the area you're interested in (eg pro-audio or haskell) and there's usually an IRC room where you can feedback to the devs.

I guess unstable would really be the sunrise overlay. It'd be nice if there were a bit more control over how stuff gets pulled in, eg if we could say "pull in foo and its deps from sunrise and main only" without all the other stuff being considered.

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