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Help with creation, editing, or playback of sounds, images, or video. Amarok, audacious, mplayer, grip, cdparanoia and anything else that makes a sound or plays a video.
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Post by cchildress » Mon Oct 15, 2007 3:22 pm

I'm starting to build a nearly unmanageably large music collection; it's been building for years but recently it's gone king-sized. Audacious just doesn't cut it any more. All of my albums are in FLAC format, organized into folders by Artist, then Album (pretty standard I guess). What I want, is software that will monitor the entire set of folders that I give it, be able to organize them by genre, artist, album, or song title, and download album artwork for each album. There's windows software that does this (at least with other music formats if not FLAC), but I was wondering what the Linux alternative was. I've tried Exhaile and I really like it, but I'm not aware yet of any way to download album cover art, or browse through a set of covers. Thanks to anyone who knows the answer :)

Edit: it looks like Amarok will do what I need; the screenshots speak volumes for its development status/maturity. Does anyone have (bad) experiences with this software? Advice you'd give to yourself if you could go back and not make the same mistake? Also, does it have heavy QT/KDE requirements? I'm on a Gnome system and would prefer to avoid lots of dependencies that I wouldn't otherwise need.
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Post by timeBandit » Mon Oct 15, 2007 3:39 pm

Several alternatives come immediately to mind (because I've tried them): Amarok, Rhythmbox, Banshee, gMusicBrowser, Listen ... there are at least a few others with the feature set you seek. Amarok is probably the richest/most mature but some of the GTK alternatives are pretty close.
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Post by cchildress » Mon Oct 15, 2007 4:25 pm

I like to try new things, but when it comes to my music collection, I think I'll choose the most developmentally mature solution. I'm pretty sold on Amarok; I suppose I have the free HDD space to store the dependencies...maybe it'll open me up to other QT/KDE based software, in the long run.
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Post by BitJam » Mon Oct 15, 2007 8:31 pm

amaroK is great. Here are a few tips:
  • Make sure you use the MySQL backend for your large collection.
  • Avoid using "Rescan Collection", instead use "Update Collection".
  • Finally, in Configure amaroK --> Collection, make sure "Watch folders for changes" is unchecked. Instead, use "Update Collection" to manually tell amaorK to look for changes.
If you don't follow this advice, you might get poor or very poor performance with a large collection.
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Post by Pithlit » Mon Oct 15, 2007 11:21 pm

Define "large collection"... my amarok works just dandy with 5k+ songs. Without a db backend and with watching the collection for new stuff.
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Post by bertaboy » Mon Oct 15, 2007 11:32 pm

I'm happy using Rhythmbox. My library has 23+ days of music, which I've been narrowing down from around 30 days of music. All in all, I'm using it to manage 61GB of music, 26 of which is FLAC.
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Post by BitJam » Tue Oct 16, 2007 12:19 am

Pithlit wrote:Define "large collection"... my amarok works just dandy with 5k+ songs. Without a db backend and with watching the collection for new stuff.
I think the simplest definition of "large collection" would have to a collection large enough so that the speed tips I suggested would be useful. It depends upon your file system and your use patterns. I have fewer than 4000 tracks in my collection and some things I tried to do were painfully slow, such as editting tags IIRC. When I switched to MySQL I noticed a HUGE improvement. But that was a while ago and it could be that the SQLite performance has improved in the meantime.

The suggestions I gave resulted from my own personal experience and also from complaints and solutions I've seen in these forums. Since the OP is shopping around for a music app to handle his "nearly unmanageably large music collection" I thought it would be beneficial to give him some clues to show amaroK in its best (fastest) light so he can make an informed decision.

Speaking of which, another tip for using amaroK is to use the dynamic playlist feature if you want to listen to random selections from all or parts of your large collection. This performs much better than creating a very large playlist.
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Post by gimpel » Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:12 am

For really large collections, one of the best things is: http://prokyon3.sourceforge.net/
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Post by baeksu » Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:24 am

BitJam wrote:
Pithlit wrote:Define "large collection"... my amarok works just dandy with 5k+ songs. Without a db backend and with watching the collection for new stuff.
I think the simplest definition of "large collection" would have to a collection large enough so that the speed tips I suggested would be useful. It depends upon your file system and your use patterns. I have fewer than 4000 tracks in my collection and some things I tried to do were painfully slow, such as editting tags IIRC. When I switched to MySQL I noticed a HUGE improvement. But that was a while ago and it could be that the SQLite performance has improved in the meantime.

The suggestions I gave resulted from my own personal experience and also from complaints and solutions I've seen in these forums. Since the OP is shopping around for a music app to handle his "nearly unmanageably large music collection" I thought it would be beneficial to give him some clues to show amaroK in its best (fastest) light so he can make an informed decision.

Speaking of which, another tip for using amaroK is to use the dynamic playlist feature if you want to listen to random selections from all or parts of your large collection. This performs much better than creating a very large playlist.
I've tried both mysql and sqlite in recently, and I haven't noticed any speed differences when searching through the collection (I have about 25000 songs).

Mysql is a bit more difficult to set up, too, but I guess if you're having speed problems with sqlite, it's worth trying mysql.

As to the OP, amarok is really worth the try. Their slogan is, after all, 'rediscover your music', and at least in my case that was definitely true compared to other multimedia software.

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Post by yngwin » Tue Oct 16, 2007 12:00 pm

Amarok is nice, but can be very slow. Also, I haven't found a way to make it do real gapless playback.
That's where I switched to mpd. As you are on gnome, a client like gmpc will probably provide what you need. MPD is a lot faster than Amarok, and also isn't affected by X problems (Amarok would have 'hiccups' under high X loads, and even when X crashes mpd just plays on).
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Post by bertaboy » Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:55 pm

yngwin wrote:Amarok is nice, but can be very slow. Also, I haven't found a way to make it do real gapless playback.
That's where I switched to mpd. As you are on gnome, a client like gmpc will probably provide what you need. MPD is a lot faster than Amarok, and also isn't affected by X problems (Amarok would have 'hiccups' under high X loads, and even when X crashes mpd just plays on).
I'd have to argue against MPD. The last time I used MPD, the sound quality was much worse than any other program I used to play music. If I recall, everything sounded "ting"-y. I think it had to do with my sound card and drivers, as I have a Soundblaster Live 24-bit. I don't think I had this problem with my old Soundblaster Live! 5.1. But who knows, maybe it's time to try mpd again. Hopefully it's less of a pain in the ass to set up, too.
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Post by Pithlit » Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:59 pm

How does mpd help managing a (nearly unmanagable) collection? I always thought mpd just plays songs...
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Post by cchildress » Tue Oct 16, 2007 6:00 pm

Thanks for the replies and advice everyone! I can't remember how many songs I have, but I do know that I can go over an entire month without hearing the same song...I need something fairly robust to handle that. I'll try Amarok without MySQL, and if I notice poor performance I'll reinstall it with MySQL.

Also, one of the biggest problems that I had with iTunes (the music library software that I used for about 2 years) was that on rare occasion, when I would issue the "consolidate library" command, it would actually delete songs...I lost nearly two dozen albums that way. Want to see an angry person? Delete his music without asking him or verifying anything, or even throwing it in the recycling bin. Bah. Anyway, Amarok doesn't have any significant pitfalls like that, does it?

edit: Pithlit: my thoughts exactly.
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Post by ashtophet » Tue Oct 16, 2007 6:23 pm

Pithlit wrote:How does mpd help managing a (nearly unmanagable) collection? I always thought mpd just plays songs...
mpd also creates a db, also manages playlists (and using some clients you will be able to fetch album art, lyrics, wikipedia, info...). It doesn't 'just play songs' [1].

I would like to recommend, since you're using Gnome, quodlibet [2]

Personally, I use mostly xmms2 [3], also like cmus [4], but I don't think any of them would fit with what you want.

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Post by yngwin » Tue Oct 16, 2007 6:30 pm

Pithlit wrote:How does mpd help managing a (nearly unmanagable) collection? I always thought mpd just plays songs...
Depends what you mean with managing. MPD organizes things by tags, which is what TS is looking for. If you actually need to edit tags, I'd suggest Easytag. But MPD handles large playlists better than anything else I know.

Also, I have no problems at all with the sound quality. It is as good as Amarok's, or actually better, because it doesn't suffer from hiccups due to heavy loads, and does gapless playback.
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Post by Pithlit » Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:01 pm

Awesome... didn't know that. I _might_ just have to give it another go one of these days.
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Post by ppurka » Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:50 am

I am surprised it is being stated that amarok does not have gapless playback. In fact, you can customize the gap in the Settings -> Playback tab -> No crossfading & 0ms gap does seem to give gapless playback.

EDIT: Was introduced a long time back: http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/What's_New_in_1.4
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Post by yngwin » Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:10 pm

Amarok can indeed do gapless playback in theory. But in practice it doesn't have a backend where this really works.
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Post by yulalac » Sat Oct 20, 2007 11:52 am

How does mpd help managing a (nearly unmanagable) collection? I always thought mpd just plays songs...
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Post by BitJam » Sat Oct 20, 2007 4:12 pm

yngwin wrote:Amarok can indeed do gapless playback in theory. But in practice it doesn't have a backend where this really works.
It works fine here. I use the Xine backend with xine-lib-1.1.8. Live albums play seamlessly.

Maybe there are artifacts at the end/start of your music files that make you think there is a gap.
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Post by yngwin » Sat Oct 20, 2007 4:39 pm

BitJam wrote:Maybe there are artifacts at the end/start of your music files that make you think there is a gap.
MPD plays them flawlessly. Amarok with xine backend didn't. It may be that they finally fixed this is latest xine.
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Post by elsphinc » Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:44 pm

jinzora kicks butt. It can also use mpd as a jukebox interface from within.

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Post by cchildress » Thu Nov 01, 2007 7:01 pm

I'm also noticing a definite gap when crossing between tracks. This was lessened by turning off the OSD, but it is still there, taunting me. Has anyone been able to get rid of it?
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Post by Simius » Sat Nov 03, 2007 7:08 pm

I've been on the lookout for something few have thought of: a music library manager that doesn't use id3 tags.

The reasons I actively hate id3 tags include that they don't include character encoding info, and by living in a non-latin1 country, I was really fed up with them after a short while. :) (Another reason is that due to continued exposure to an IT major at a technical university, I have developed a pathological phobia of unnecessary redundancy.)

So which music manager can be set up to sort music by parsing filenames with a regexp? (I have real long filenames, like "Rammstein - Sehnsucht - 03 - Tier.mp3", that is "Artist - Album - track - Title"...) It should be easy.

No, Amarok can't do it.
Yes, I know it has a setting that looks like this.
It would be nice if it could.
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But it can't. :D
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Post by imanel » Sat Nov 03, 2007 8:33 pm

Yeah - Amarok is good, but it lack a lot of usefull features - for me major disadvantage its form of search music library - no multi-panel search, no preview of id3-tag in library...
And here's a problem - is there any player for KDE that looks like Rythmbox? Maybe with one change - customizable panels(it's true that rythmebox have half-custom panel view, but it lack of my favorite genre/album...)
And if something like that exists in portage-tree i will be in heaven;)
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