gentoo for beginners

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rainy · Post by **rainy** » Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:59 am

Hi
I want a gentoo that be
x86-64
openrc
easy to install, like ubuntu or debian
low bugs
please guide me .

Post by **fedeliallalinea** » Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:10 am

Welcome to gentoo.

There is no installer for gentoo so you have to follow the guide, this allows you to start learning about gentoo.
Gentoo is not a real distribution, but a set of tools that allows you to create your own through configuration.

carcajou · Post by **carcajou** » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:28 pm

Maybe viewtopic-t-1135614-highlight-calculate.html?

Or if you have will and patience to learn, just go with vanilla Gentoo.

bammbamm808 · Post by **bammbamm808** » Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:47 pm

rainy wrote:Hi
I want a gentoo that be
x86-64
openrc
easy to install, like ubuntu or debian
low bugs
please guide me .

There's the Handbook for that.

Post by **NeddySeagoon** » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:55 pm

rainy,

Installing Gentoo is the easy bit. The hard bit is designing your distro.
Binary distros do the design for you, so installing Gentoo is not like installing a binary distro,

Jaglover · Post by **Jaglover** » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:03 pm

Expanding on what NeddySeagoon said ... but luckily enough you can re-design much of it when you change your mind, no reinstall needed.

figueroa · Post by **figueroa** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 2:55 am

Good answers, but maybe the OP's question belongs in the dustbin. How did one get as far as the forums and not understand the most basic thing about Gentoo?

Jaglover · Post by **Jaglover** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:03 am

In another forum years ago I noticed someone new to Gentoo complaining about everything is manual and demanded Gentoo made easy for him. Other members wondering why choose a manual distro then ... it was before Kali was founded.

bammbamm808 · Post by **bammbamm808** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 4:15 am

figueroa wrote:Good answers, but maybe the OP's question belongs in the dustbin. How did one get as far as the forums and not understand the most basic thing about Gentoo?

It's very in vogue nowadays to namedrop all the distros you've tried and post your screenshots online. Gentoo has the reputation, from what I gather, or being difficult or something. This brings tourists. Flexibility and freedom come at a price, but I only find it difficult when I'm too tired to read and too impatient to pay attention to what I'm doing. The last distro I tried was Slackware, shortly before I started using Gentoo. I haven't even touched another distro since then and actually know squat about other package management systems, etc.

EDIT: My God! It's been 19 years??? I really should be better at this in that case.

CooSee · Post by **CooSee** » Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:41 am

you can try this :

https://gentoox.cryptohash.nl/

fast install

try with Virtual Box, therefore nothing will happen with your main System.

no guarantee

figueroa · Post by **figueroa** » Sat Jul 24, 2021 3:20 am

Your GentooX isn't going to make many beginners happy. How big is that iso? Is GentooX a violation of copyright?

Jaglover · Post by **Jaglover** » Sat Jul 24, 2021 3:31 am

Is GentooX a violation of copyright?

Using Gentoo logo is, unless it is linked to gentoo.org.

Post by **NeddySeagoon** » Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:24 pm

Jaglover,

The page footer acknowledges the Foundation and provides a link. That's usually adequate.

GentooX is an -O3, Graphite, and LTO optimized x86_64 LiveCD Gentoo distribution with installer.

Scary ... then its all built with -mtune=generic, so it will run anywhere, or maybe its -march=native ...

dalto · Post by **dalto** » Sat Jul 24, 2021 3:16 pm

This post seems to have outlived the OPs interest

That being said, if the OP were still here, I would ask why they want to use gentoo in the first place. Maybe that would help use provide a better explanation of their options.

steve_v · Post by **steve_v** » Sat Jul 24, 2021 3:26 pm

-O3, Graphite, and LTO optimized x86_64 LiveCD

Uhh, why?

fredbear5150 · Post by **fredbear5150** » Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:33 am

dalto wrote:This post seems to have outlived the OPs interest

That being said, if the OP were still here, I would ask why they want to use gentoo in the first place. Maybe that would help use provide a better explanation of their options.

Unfortunately you see a lot of this on YouTube. Someone will create some kind of video on Gentoo and the comments will be filled with questions like "Where do I get it from?" and "How do I install it?"

I've been with Gentoo since 2003 now and I try to explain to these people that even after all these years, I still find the occasional problem that I have to spend a considerable amount of time diagnosing (usually successfully) or resort to putting a question here in the forums.

I hate "memes" anyway (nothing demonstrates lack of individual thought than repeating something that someone else once said that wasn't that funny back then) but Gentoo is a meme in some circles.

Some people think that installing Gentoo is "proof of Linux manhood" and probably want something that they can show off to their friends that they think makes them cool because it's "not Windows and not Ubuntu".

I also explain to these people that you probably need to spend a year or two with an "easier" distro before attempting to use Gentoo - because you need to be committed to a steep learning curve initially.

Sorry, but I don't think a large proportion of the millennial generation (not all of them, of course) have the patience and self-drive to educate themselves and put in the effort in the same way that an "old guy" like me does who has been a "techie" in the IT and telecoms industry now for almost 4 decades.

rainy · Post by **rainy** » Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:10 pm

I have heard many definitions of this distribution
I told myself I had to try it
Is there a way to easily install it ?
Well, I have to ask this question here, right ?
**********
Should Gentoo finally be installed or not ? now either with a command line or a light graphical environment
Can you tell me , What is wrong with the graphical environment ?

Post by **NeddySeagoon** » Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:26 pm

rainy,

Gentoo is not a distro. It's a set of tools that you use to design and build your very own Linux distro. That means that you must make all the choices that binary distro have already made for you.
Your choices start before you even boot something to start the install. What should you use?

Installers have come and gone but they have newer been popular because you only install Gentoo once on any system, then grow it in the direction you want.

Gentoo is a rolling distribution. It gets updated every 30 minutes. Its not install and forget.

There is only you and the command line to install Gentoo.

steve_v · Post by **steve_v** » Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:40 pm

rainy wrote:I have heard many definitions of this distribution

You will likely hear as many definitions as people you ask. Gentoo is as much a framework and a toolkit for building your own distribution as it is a distribution in the classical sense.

rainy wrote:Is there a way to easily install it ?

That depends how you define "easy".
If you mean easy in the way Ubuntu is easy, or easy in the sense of clicking a few buttons and having a ready-to-use desktop, then no.
There is no hand-holdy installer or GUI livecd. The installer is you, after you have read the handbook.
On the other hand, the tools provided make it extremely easy when compared to the likes of LFS. Assuming you have a reasonable familiarity with GNU/Linux in general and can follow instructions, you shouldn't have any major problems.

rainy wrote:What is wrong with the graphical environment ?

That depends which graphical environment you decide to install. Most of the installation and setup happens at the CLI, choosing a GUI (or not) is up to you.

If you want Debian with openrc, IMO the better answer is to just run Devuan. Last I checked openrc is in the repos, but you may have to write a few init scripts.
OTOH, if you're willing to drop the "easy to install" and "like Ubuntu or Debian" nonsense and learn how things are done in a source-based distro, Gentoo is a fine choice.

Jaglover · Post by **Jaglover** » Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:59 pm

What's wrong with graphical environment?

You can achieve enlightenment with Gentoo.

bammbamm808 · Post by **bammbamm808** » Sun Jul 25, 2021 3:34 pm

rainy wrote:I have heard many definitions of this distribution
I told myself I had to try it
Is there a way to easily install it ?
Well, I have to ask this question here, right ?
**********
Should Gentoo finally be installed or not ? now either with a command line or a light graphical environment
Can you tell me , What is wrong with the graphical environment ?

Follow the handbook. That is easy.

Post by **pietinger** » Sun Jul 25, 2021 5:15 pm

rainy wrote:I have heard many definitions of this distribution

Listen to Neddy ... but only after your first installation you will understand what it is.

rainy wrote:Is there a way to easily install it ?

No.

rainy wrote:Should Gentoo finally be installed or not ?

For a Gentoo installation you need two things: 1. Time and 2. Knowledge ... but ... you should be able to learn everything ... if you want. So, Knowledge = again "Time" ... and "willingness".

How long it takes is dependent on your actual knowledge. If you already knows what is a kernel and what is a network mask, you dont have to read it all again in the handbooks. If you know only "cp" and "ls" and nothing else, it will be a long (a very long) journey ... but afterwards you know Linux. Better than with every binary distribution.

rainy wrote:Can you tell me , What is wrong with the graphical environment ?

Nothing. Install KDE or GNOME or whatever you want.

rainy wrote:I told myself I had to try it

Do you have time and willingness ? Yes ? Go on !

Otherwise it will be only a big frustrating experience.

Read this first: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:A ... stallation

If you will stop reading before the end of the page: Dont try to install Gentoo.

szatox · Post by **szatox** » Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:54 pm

rainy wrote:Can you tell me , What is wrong with the graphical environment ?

It's not L337 enough.
A true gentoo admin doesn't eat honey, he chews on bees instead!

flysideways · Post by **flysideways** » Mon Jul 26, 2021 1:55 am

Build it from Windows if you want. Boot the minimal install cd, follow the handbook on creating a user and starting sshd, then get to it with putty. Cut and paste from Windows all you want, while playing games too. This is assuming more than one computer, of course.

Post by **NeddySeagoon** » Mon Jul 26, 2021 10:46 am

flysideways,

That approach works in VirtualBox on Windows too :)

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