worth switching to wayland?

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Goverp · Post by **Goverp** » Mon Oct 16, 2023 8:09 am

kj184050 wrote:...
I reverted everything and still no Wayland. Lightdm is going back to log in screen after selecting a Wayland session.
Nothing in dmesg...

dmesg is rarely useful in this circumstance. What you need to look at is the stdout and stderr from whatever script lightdm uses to invoke your session. I don't use lightdm, but the sddm equivalent gets sent to .local/share/sddm/wayland-session.log. The contents are usually a enormous collection of warnings and error messages and cruft that nobody every bothers to fix in whatever desktop interface you're running.

Anon-E-moose · Post by **Anon-E-moose** » Mon Oct 16, 2023 9:07 am

Lightdm needs X11 even to start a wayland session.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/waylan ... y_managers

If you want straight wayland, no X11, then use sddm or start from cmd line.
I have a script that basically sets all env vars that I need then starts the compositor.

kj184050 · Post by **kj184050** » Mon Oct 16, 2023 9:40 am

Guys…
I am speechless.
I installed sddm and now Wayland works again.
I plan to test Hyperland, solve all my issues, and finally make it my only desktop.
Thanks for suggestions.

BTW, does Wayland need an X USE flag?

Anon-E-moose · Post by **Anon-E-moose** » Mon Oct 16, 2023 9:50 am

kj184050 wrote:Guys…
I am speechless.
I installed sddm and now Wayland works again.
I plan to test Hyperland, solve all my issues, and finally make it my only desktop.
Thanks for suggestions.

BTW, does Wayland need an X USE flag?

If you ever expect to run X apps with Xwayland, then you will need X11 related stuff.
I've removed X completely from my system, apps that require any part of X11 libs won't run, so there are alternatives.

Gtk and Qt both run under either wayland or X.

kj184050 · Post by **kj184050** » Mon Oct 16, 2023 11:38 am

I need only GTK. I am trying to get rid of qt whenever possible.
I plan to install Gentoo from scratch using only the newest and greatest technologies like

no bootloader (booting from EFI - I hate grub sice the beginning, I liked Lilo, but it can't use EFI)
btrfs instead of ext4
minimal system with -* USE in make.conf
Wayland plus Hyprland only without display manager
Manual, minimal kernel config without iniramfs (I have never had time for this). It is sad to admit the last custom kernel I compiled manually was like 15-20 years ago )
and other only good stuff.

Thanks to this thread, I started experimenting again

thanks guys.

I have found this:

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https://www.reddit.com/r/Gentoo/comments/150r74m/guide_hyprland_nvidia_extremely_minimal_gentoo/

It is worth trying. But I will do it my way, using only a few steps from this guide.
If you guys have time, please check these steps and give feedback if you want.

Post by **pietinger** » Mon Oct 16, 2023 12:49 pm

kj184050 wrote:I plan to install Gentoo from scratch using only the newest and greatest technologies like [...]

If you guys have time, please check these steps and give feedback if you want.

I like your plan and maybe this will help you a little bit:

kj184050 wrote:

no bootloader (booting from EFI - I hate grub sice the beginning, I liked Lilo, but it can't use EFI)

[...]

minimal system with -* USE in make.conf

[...]

Manual, minimal kernel config without iniramfs (I have never had time for this). It is sad to admit the last custom kernel I compiled manually was like 15-20 years ago )

1) At the moment we have a wrong description for booting a stub kernel in our AMD64 handbook:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:A ... efibootmgr
It is already reported:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook_T ... x64.efi.3F
Please use this Wiki article instead:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/EFI_stub

2) Maybe you are interested in this:
viewtopic-t-1163577.html

3) Yeah ... I do also a manual kernel configuration. Maybe you want read:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/User:Pieti ... figuration
If you want/need an initramfs later, maybe read (as starting point):
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/User:Pieti ... s_Overview

Naib · Post by **Naib** » Mon Oct 16, 2023 1:25 pm

*IF* you are using applications that utilize cursor warping you are going to have issues with Wayland...

Wayland has not exposed API for this and XWayland does not reproduce the behavior (and also has issues with docks)...

Neither Wayland nor XWayland are complete FACT but it is in a really good spot for day to day usage. I use Wayland daily (thanks to Anon-E moose a few years ago) but I am also using a program via XWayland that does not behave correctly as cursor warping is critical

kj184050 · Post by **kj184050** » Mon Oct 16, 2023 2:44 pm

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xlsclients

Returns nothing while in Hyprland using Firefox, nicotine+, rhythmbox, etc...

so maybe not many apps needs X11

after opening Gimp,
xlsclients proudly reports it.

Gimp in Wayland looks TERRIBLE, the font is barely readable... It doesn't use GTK theme.
Do you have the same issues?

@pietinger thanks. I will definitely squeeze every single bit from the system.
I will buy nvme drive tomorrow, so maybe this week it will be installed.
Wayland only Gentoo

Naib · Post by **Naib** » Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:46 pm

kj184050 wrote:
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xlsclients
after opening Gimp,
xlsclients proudly reports it.

Gimp in Wayland looks TERRIBLE, the font is barely readable... It doesn't use GTK theme.
Do you have the same issues?

Depends on your version. 2.99.16 (ie the in-dev, built using newer gtk) runs in wayland.

Website · Post by **Zucca** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:41 am

While X11 development has practically stopped, at least they still fix some bugs. But for how long?

kj184050 · Post by **kj184050** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:43 am

Depends on your version. 2.99.16 (ie the in-dev, built using newer gtk) runs in wayland.

Do you know when it will be available in stable?

and another issue with Wayland.
Rhythmbox is crashing often. This morning it is not playing at all.
Need a restart...

My battle with Wayland is hard

Website · Post by **Zucca** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 9:01 am

Are you currently running Gnome, KDE or Hyprland?

Can you run rythmbox in terminal or in some other way so that you could grab its terminal output (stdout as well stderr).

kj184050 · Post by **kj184050** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 9:25 am

Are you currently running Gnome, KDE or Hyprland?

Hyprland

Can you run rythmbox in terminal or in some other way so that you could grab its terminal output (stdout as well stderr).

I will do that and let you know when it crashes.

Naib · Post by **Naib** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 9:29 am

kj184050 wrote:
Depends on your version. 2.99.16 (ie the in-dev, built using newer gtk) runs in wayland.
Do you know when it will be available in stable?

Not for quite some time...
GIMP3 has been an illusive release and v2.99.16 is BETA (really good beta mind...)
Back in July of this year there was HOPE for a v3.0.0-rc0 build but it is now October so there is a high chance the 1st RC won't appear until december. MAYBE just MAYBE the full release will be done by March 2024 and then it will take several months before it is in the stable branch of Gentoo.

In short I wouldn't be surprised in seeing GIMP-3.0.# in Gentoo-stable by Oct-2024

https://developer.gimp.org/core/roadmap ... ch-roadmap

kj184050 · Post by **kj184050** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 10:29 am

I tried to install it:

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emerge -av =media-gfx/gimp-2.99.16                                                                               

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies ... done!                          
Dependency resolution took 16.04 s.

[ebuild     U *] media-gfx/gimp-2.99.16:0/3::gentoo [2.10.34-r2:0/2::gentoo] USE="X%* alsa gnome heif mng postscript python%* udev -aalib -doc -javascript% -jpeg2k -jpegxl -lua% -openexr -test -unwind -vala% -vector-icons -webp -wmf -xpm (-aqua%) (-debug%)" CPU_FLAGS_X86="(-mmx%*) (-sse%*)" LUA_SINGLE_TARGET="luajit%*" PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET="python3_11%* -python3_10%" 24,384 KiB

Total: 1 package (1 upgrade), Size of downloads: 24,384 KiB

!!! Multiple package instances within a single package slot have been pulled
!!! into the dependency graph, resulting in a slot conflict:

media-gfx/gimp:0

  (media-gfx/gimp-2.99.16:0/3::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) USE="X alsa gnome heif mng postscript python udev -aalib -doc -javascript -jpeg2k -jpegxl -lua -openexr -test -unwind -vala -vector-icons -webp -wmf -xpm" ABI_X86="(64)" LUA_SINGLE_TARGET="luajit" PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET="python3_11 -python3_10" pulled in by
    =media-gfx/gimp-2.99.16 (Argument)

  (media-gfx/gimp-2.10.34-r2:0/2::gentoo, installed) USE="alsa gnome heif mng postscript udev -aalib (-aqua) -debug -doc -jpeg2k -jpegxl -openexr -test -unwind -vector-icons -webp -wmf -xpm" ABI_X86="(64)" CPU_FLAGS_X86="mmx sse" pulled in by
    media-gfx/gimp:0/2 required by (media-gfx/xsane-0.999-r5:0/0::gentoo, installed) USE="gimp jpeg lcms nls png tiff -ocr" ABI_X86="(64)"
                  ^^^^                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                


It may be possible to solve this problem by using package.mask to
prevent one of those packages from being selected. However, it is also
possible that conflicting dependencies exist such that they are
impossible to satisfy simultaneously.  If such a conflict exists in
the dependencies of two different packages, then those packages can
not be installed simultaneously. You may want to try a larger value of
the --backtrack option, such as --backtrack=30, in order to see if
that will solve this conflict automatically.

For more information, see MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge man
page or refer to the Gentoo Handbook.

I will just wait

Naib · Post by **Naib** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 10:45 am

Do you need/use xsane? this is the package that is holding you back.

Option1 : wait
Option2 : -gimp and re-emerge xsane
Option3 : emerge -c xsane

kj184050 · Post by **kj184050** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 12:44 pm

It died a moment ago:

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rhythmbox                                                                                                                                        
(rhythmbox:17460): Gtk-WARNING **: 10:26:10.134: Calling org.freedesktop.portal.Inhibit.Inhibit failed: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: No such interface “org.freedesktop.portal.Inhibit” on object at path /org/freedesktop/portal/desktop
fish: Job 1, 'rhythmbox' terminated by signal SIGTERM (Polite quit request)

I noticed that nicotine dies together with rhythmbox. I'll track it too. Something terminated them together.

Do you need/use xsane? this is the package that is holding you back.

My HP printer needs it, but I use my phone to scan documents, so good point.

Now gimp is installed

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gimp -v                                                                                                                                      
GNU Image Manipulation Program version 2.99.16
git-describe: GIMP_2_99_16
Build: unknown rev 0 for linux

Yes, it looks as it should. Menus look insane

Thanks

Website · Post by **Zucca** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 6:23 pm

kj184050 wrote:It died a moment ago:

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rhythmbox                                                                                                                                        
(rhythmbox:17460): Gtk-WARNING **: 10:26:10.134: Calling org.freedesktop.portal.Inhibit.Inhibit failed: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: No such interface “org.freedesktop.portal.Inhibit” on object at path /org/freedesktop/portal/desktop
fish: Job 1, 'rhythmbox' terminated by signal SIGTERM (Polite quit request)

I would guess this is some program-library version or protocol version mismatch. Or maybe dbus not running at all.
Does this happen if you launch hyprland from vt via
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```
dbus-launch --exit-with-session hyprland [args]
```
?

Anon-E-moose · Post by **Anon-E-moose** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 9:04 pm

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equery b /usr/share/dbus-1/interfaces/org.freedesktop.portal.Inhibit.xml
 * Searching for /usr/share/dbus-1/interfaces/org.freedesktop.portal.Inhibit.xml ... 
sys-apps/xdg-desktop-portal-1.16.0 (/usr/share/dbus-1/interfaces/org.freedesktop.portal.Inhibit.xml)

If you have it either xdg-desktop-portal-hyprland or xdg-desktop-portal-wlr emerged they should auto start.

kj184050 · Post by **kj184050** » Wed Oct 18, 2023 5:25 am

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equery b /usr/share/dbus-1/interfaces/org.freedesktop.portal.Inhibit.xml                                                                            
 * Searching for /usr/share/dbus-1/interfaces/org.freedesktop.portal.Inhibit.xml ... 
sys-apps/xdg-desktop-portal-1.18.0-r2 (/usr/share/dbus-1/interfaces/org.freedesktop.portal.Inhibit.xml)

Does this happen if you launch hyprland from vt via

I will check later.

But I can check now if I have these packages.

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equery list "*portal*"                                                                              
 * Searching for *portal* ...
[IP-] [  ] dev-libs/libportal-0.6:0/1-1-1-1
[IP-] [  ] sys-apps/xdg-desktop-portal-1.18.0-r2:0
[IP-] [  ] sys-apps/xdg-desktop-portal-gnome-44.2:0
[IP-] [  ] sys-apps/xdg-desktop-portal-gtk-1.14.1:0
equery list "*hyprland*"                                                    
 * Searching for *hyprland* ...
[IP-] [  ] dev-libs/hyprland-protocols-0.2:0
[IP-] [  ] gui-wm/hyprland-0.30.0:0
equery list -po "*hyprland*"                                        
 * Searching for *hyprland* ...
[IP-] [  ] dev-libs/hyprland-protocols-0.2:0
[-P-] [  ] gui-wm/hyprland-0.29.1:0
[IP-] [  ] gui-wm/hyprland-0.30.0:0
equery list -po "*-portal*"   
 * Searching for *-portal* ...
[-P-] [  ] gui-libs/xdg-desktop-portal-lxqt-0.4.0:0
[-P-] [  ] gui-libs/xdg-desktop-portal-wlr-0.5.0:0/9999
[-P-] [ ~] gui-libs/xdg-desktop-portal-wlr-0.6.0:0/9999
[-P-] [ ~] gui-libs/xdg-desktop-portal-wlr-0.7.0:0
[-P-] [ -] gui-libs/xdg-desktop-portal-wlr-9999:0
[-P-] [  ] kde-plasma/xdg-desktop-portal-kde-5.27.8:5
[-P-] [  ] kde-plasma/xdg-desktop-portal-kde-5.27.8-r1:5
[-P-] [  ] sys-apps/xdg-desktop-portal-1.16.0-r1:0
[-P-] [  ] sys-apps/xdg-desktop-portal-1.18.0-r1:0
[IP-] [  ] sys-apps/xdg-desktop-portal-1.18.0-r2:0
[IP-] [  ] sys-apps/xdg-desktop-portal-gnome-44.2:0
[-P-] [ ~] sys-apps/xdg-desktop-portal-gnome-45.0:0
[IP-] [  ] sys-apps/xdg-desktop-portal-gtk-1.14.1:0

So it looks like I dont have xdg-desktop-portal-hyprland in portage. Wlr was not emerged automatically either.

Anon-E-moose · Post by **Anon-E-moose** » Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:01 am

gui-libs/xdg-desktop-portal-hyprland would have to come from one of the repos like guru

gui-libs/xdg-desktop-portal-wlr will work and is in gentoo's repo

either need an explicit emerge, but they will pull in xdg-desktop-portal on their own. Sorry I didn't explain better.

so "emerge -v xdg-desktop-portal-<whichever you choose>" will work and pull in xdg-desktop-portal.

kj184050 · Post by **kj184050** » Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:22 am

No worries

but I have

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[IP-] [  ] sys-apps/xdg-desktop-portal-1.18.0-r2:0

installed.

Do I still need to install gui-libs/xdg-desktop-portal-wlr?

Naib · Post by **Naib** » Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:39 am

yes, but are they running?

some of the issues I was having with SWAY turned out to be the required portals (including a missing flatpak portal)

kj184050 · Post by **kj184050** » Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:43 am

[2023-10-18 10:35:04] Quitting Nicotine+ 3.2.9, terminating…
[2023-10-18 10:35:04] Quit Nicotine+ 3.2.9, terminated!

fish: Job 1, 'rhythmbox' terminated by signal SIGTERM (Polite quit request)

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yes, but are they running?

OK, I will switch it on

Anon-E-moose · Post by **Anon-E-moose** » Wed Oct 18, 2023 10:38 am

Not everything works well without out the portal, I had trouble with sound (bluetooth) until I switched it on.

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17011 ?        /usr/libexec/xdg-desktop-portal
17016 ?        /usr/libexec/xdg-document-portal
17026 ?         \_ fusermount3 -o rw,nosuid,nodev,fsname=portal,auto_unmount,subtype=portal -- /tmp/.runtime/doc
17020 ?        /usr/libexec/xdg-permission-store
17033 ?        /usr/libexec/xdg-desktop-portal-hyprland

As you can see a few things are started portal-wise

Edit to add: From the readme xdg-desktop-portal

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To implement most portals, xdg-desktop-portal relies on a backend
that provides implementations of the org.freedesktop.impl.portal.\* interfaces.
Different backends are available see:

- GTK [xdg-desktop-portal-gtk](http://github.com/flatpak/xdg-desktop-portal-gtk)
- GNOME [xdg-desktop-portal-gnome](https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/xdg-desktop-portal-gnome/)
- KDE [xdg-desktop-portal-kde](https://invent.kde.org/plasma/xdg-desktop-portal-kde)
- LXQt [xdg-desktop-portal-lxqt](https://github.com/lxqt/xdg-desktop-portal-lxqt)
- Pantheon (Elementary) [xdg-desktop-portal-pantheon](https://github.com/elementary/portals)
- wlroots [xdg-desktop-portal-wlr](https://github.com/emersion/xdg-desktop-portal-wlr)

So you probably need to emerge either hyprland or wlr version of portal