2.6.3_rc1-love1 aka "Solar Power Is A Pipe Dream"

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steel300 · Post by **steel300** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:31 am

bssteph wrote:Personally, three pizzas sounds like a good idea to me.

Hey, I was meaning to save this until a bit nearer my break, but in a couple weeks I have a week and a half off between quarters where I plan to do nothing at all but sit in front of the comp. I mention this because if you need an extra coder or something I would gladly help... I'd rather help more frequently but senior design is kicking me in the rear pretty much daily. I know, it's hard to see what will be needed three weeks from now, but offer's out there.

On that note, currently downloading the patch (at blazing dialup speeds!). Still trying to decide if Nick's sched feels better for me... in the old days it was a no-brainer, but lately with the new processor they've felt about the same.

I'd love to have you back, even if it is for a week. Visit us on #love-sources at irc.freenode.net. I'm in there most of the time, we'll figure out what to put into the next release when you get there.

Evil Dark Archon · Post by **Evil Dark Archon** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:36 am

hey vortex, if you want supermount, wait for the next version of evil-sources, the only thing keeping me from releasing it now is the reiserfs acl patch.

zypher · Post by **zypher** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 6:39 am

All you pizza-lovers should check out submount.
You'll find it at submount.sf.net.
I tried it and it works fine, no need for supermount anymore.

Evil Dark Archon · Post by **Evil Dark Archon** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 8:19 am

i'm hoping that hal and the kernel messaging layer get finished soon so i can remove supermount from my patchset.

charlieg · Post by **charlieg** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 10:29 am

zypher wrote:All you pizza-lovers should check out submount.
You'll find it at submount.sf.net.
I tried it and it works fine, no need for supermount anymore.

Holy cow that was a lazy post.

http://submount.sourceforge.net

CheshireCat · Post by **CheshireCat** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 10:49 am

Thanks tons for your work on this, steel300 - I've been waiting ages to get ALSA w/ the bt87x driver integrated into the kernel, not to mention all the other stuff you've managed to cram in there.

Wedge_ · Post by **Wedge_** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 10:50 am

Proton wrote:Has anyone with a recent version of love sources and an ATI Radeon been able to use bootsplash?

I've tried several combinations, VESA driver, radeonfb driver, several boot options and I can't seem to get it working...

I've never had any trouble with it. I'm using a 9800 Pro with the vesa driver and boot options "video=vesa:ywrap,mtrr vga=0x31A".

Spawn of Lovechild · Post by **Spawn of Lovechild** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 11:03 am

zypher wrote:All you pizza-lovers should check out submount.
You'll find it at submount.sf.net.
I tried it and it works fine, no need for supermount anymore.

Submount is nearly as wrong for similar reasons. The best solution thus far is Robert M. Love's Project Utopia, it's pollfree, handled in userspace and it builds upon standardised building blocks, udev, dbus and HAL.

Plus we can do all kinds of neat stuff with those same building blocks, like hardware detection, configuration and so on.

I cannot possibly state how much I think the future of Linux on the desktop depends on the succes of this project, since it's so extensable.

I'll restate in clear terms - Next time anyone mentions kernel based stateless mounting like submount (kernel/userspace mix) or supermount (completely kernelspace), I will hunt you down and use you as toppings on my free pizza.

boroshan · Post by **boroshan** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 11:10 am

What? You're going to kill someone just because they post saying "kernel based stateless mounting"?

... did I err?

Spawn of Lovechild · Post by **Spawn of Lovechild** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 11:22 am

boroshan wrote:What? You're going to kill someone just because they post saying "kernel based stateless mounting"?

... did I err?

I would like sausage, ham and extra cheese on my boroshan flavored pizza.

IWBCMAN · Post by **IWBCMAN** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 11:54 am

Has anyone thought about adding mISDN and the patches for support of passive ISDN controllers ? A few folks mucked around with this in the forums for 2.6.0-test9 but the patches don't seem to work for the later kernel versions. I doubt that I am the only one who could really use this and appreciate it. If I could one day get mISDN up and running I would be able to use my ISDN card as fax-reciever/sender and as answering machine.......

Just a a hint.....

Spawn of Lovechild · Post by **Spawn of Lovechild** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 1:53 pm

IWBCMAN wrote:Has anyone thought about adding mISDN and the patches for support of passive ISDN controllers ? A few folks mucked around with this in the forums for 2.6.0-test9 but the patches don't seem to work for the later kernel versions. I doubt that I am the only one who could really use this and appreciate it. If I could one day get mISDN up and running I would be able to use my ISDN card as fax-reciever/sender and as answering machine.......

Just a a hint.....

Have you really thought about how silly that is, why use a computer as an answering machine - and face it fax is dead, use email.

I don't really see that as useful, rather it's hacker humor - but if you can provide patches that apply and compile then it's cool by me, people might use it - the problem from our side is that we have to support it once it's included, so we need the people who actually use these kinds of features to do their best to keep them up to date, if able or they are in danger of getting cut and/or mangled.

RaaR · Post by **RaaR** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:32 pm

Wedge_ wrote:
Proton wrote:Has anyone with a recent version of love sources and an ATI Radeon been able to use bootsplash?

I've tried several combinations, VESA driver, radeonfb driver, several boot options and I can't seem to get it working...
I've never had any trouble with it. I'm using a 9800 Pro with the vesa driver and boot options "video=vesa:ywrap,mtrr vga=0x31A".

I'm using a 9600 Pro with those same options and I've had no problems with it.

Proton · Post by **Proton** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 5:51 pm

RaaR wrote:
Wedge_ wrote:
Proton wrote:Has anyone with a recent version of love sources and an ATI Radeon been able to use bootsplash?

I've tried several combinations, VESA driver, radeonfb driver, several boot options and I can't seem to get it working...
I've never had any trouble with it. I'm using a 9800 Pro with the vesa driver and boot options "video=vesa:ywrap,mtrr vga=0x31A".
I'm using a 9600 Pro with those same options and I've had no problems with it.

Well, after seeing it could be done, and after a few kernel recompiles and reboots, I've fixed it! Apparently regular framebuffer runs fine with both vesa and radeonfb compiled in, but bootsplash doesn't. So I removed radeonfb and it works fine now

Now for supreme framebuffering I just have to get hi-res vesafb working...

discomfitor · Post by **discomfitor** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 6:16 pm

rc2 is out now...
http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/2289

TheCoop · Post by **TheCoop** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 6:22 pm

already? that was quick. This is quickly turning into the 'kernel of the week' club...

discomfitor · Post by **discomfitor** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 6:31 pm

yeah...they're trying to slow it down though (I hope they don't)

Spawn of Lovechild · Post by **Spawn of Lovechild** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 7:17 pm

Darckness wrote:yeah...they're trying to slow it down though (I hope they don't)

Fast kernel release cycles are bad for business, I really hope they reach the desired stablity to feature ratio soon, so we can start to get a 2.4 like release cycle.

discomfitor · Post by **discomfitor** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 9:12 pm

Spawn of Lovechild wrote:
Darckness wrote:yeah...they're trying to slow it down though (I hope they don't)
Fast kernel release cycles are bad for business, I really hope they reach the desired stablity to feature ratio soon, so we can start to get a 2.4 like release cycle.

bad for business, but good for us!

herring · Post by **herring** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 10:12 pm

MrNugget wrote:The only thing i don't like are these new dmesg messages:
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Badness in kobject_get at lib/kobject.c:431
Call Trace:
 [<c034a36b>] kobject_get+0x4b/0x50
 .

Same Oops here, can't remember I had that one in 2.6.2_rc2-love3
Giving reiser4 a chance this time.
Thanks !

Squinky86 · Post by **Squinky86** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 11:18 pm

If this is a bad idea, go ahead and stop me, but it's a pain having to wget new-love-sources.ebuild && ebuild new-love-sources.ebuild digest && emerge love-sources all the time. Instead, would it be a good idea to have a cvs directory?

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cd /usr/local/portage/sys-kernel
cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@squinky.gotdns.com:/root login
(hit enter- no password)
cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@squinky.gotdns.com:/root co love-sources
emerge love-sources

then when a new love-sources is released, the user can just:

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cd /usr/local/portage/sys-kernel/love-sources
cvs update

If the idea is good, I don't know if it'd be a good idea to have it on my 300 MHz server, but it's free for ya'll to use if ya'll want. If the idea is bad, stop me now.

numerodix · Post by **numerodix** » Wed Feb 11, 2004 12:45 am

Well count me in...

This will sound like a dumb question but is there anything I can do to benchmark this newfound performance?

EDIT: my iriver is mounted first time ever under 2.6.x

ejohnson · Post by **ejohnson** » Wed Feb 11, 2004 1:15 am

numerodix wrote:Well count me in...

This will sound like a dumb question but is there anything I can do to benchmark this newfound performance?

Actually I have been looking into this a great deal lately. It appears that most benchmarking software for linux, such as nbench are dated and difficult to pair up with modern systems.

I've found a nice, up to date stress test @ http://ltp.sourceforge.net/ but it is a pass/fail testing environment, which makes it difficult to quantify things (as if that isn't difficult enough to begin with). There also is the OSDL @ http://www.osdl.org/ which seems to be a bit more than I want to get involved in with benchmarking (ie. becomming an Associate). I might look into it further.

Here is also a list that shall be used in a head off of distros (gentoo included) Good luck GENTOO!.

Over all I hope that by benching -love I might be able to test and see where possible improvements could be made in the patchset. Basically to give Steel300 even more to think about

Actually I don't think that anyone should judge purely on benchmarks, but they can be a good tool to for development and system tweaking.

If anyone has good bench recommendation pm me about it.

bssteph · Post by **bssteph** » Wed Feb 11, 2004 1:19 am

A project I did back in the day (around -test3, iirc) was some contest benchmarking on love-sources, and I was thinking of doing it again.
contest certainly isn't the end all benchmark test suite, but it does do some interesting cases.

I was thinking of doing another suite of tests again when I had the spare processor time... maybe the weekend if I'm lucky. If anyone has other appropriate benchmarks they would like to see, drop a message.

Oh. The benchmark is named contest, if you're wondering wtf I'm talking about. It was developed by Con Kolivas and I think it's in portage.

bssteph · Post by **bssteph** » Wed Feb 11, 2004 1:20 am

ejohnson: GMTA, or something to that effect...

http://bssteph.irtonline.org/linux/
My old contest results are linked here, I didn't realize I'd even kept them.