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nvidia-drivers fails to build upon 2.6.36 [SOLVED]

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nvidia-drivers fails to build upon 2.6.36 [SOLVED]

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Post by qdii » Fri Oct 22, 2010 11:30 pm

When I try and build nvidia-drivers, it fails with this :

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[32;01m * [39;49;00mPackage:    x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-256.53
[32;01m * [39;49;00mRepository: gentoo
[32;01m * [39;49;00mMaintainer: cardoe@gentoo.org jer@gentoo.org,spock@gentoo.org
[32;01m * [39;49;00mUSE:  acpi amd64 elibc_glibc gtk kernel_linux multilib userland_GNU
 [32;01m*[0m Determining the location of the kernel source code
 [32;01m*[0m Found kernel source directory:
 [32;01m*[0m     /usr/src/linux
 [32;01m*[0m Found kernel object directory:
 [32;01m*[0m     /lib/modules/2.6.36-gentoo/build
 [32;01m*[0m Found sources for kernel version:
 [32;01m*[0m     2.6.36-gentoo
 [32;01m*[0m Checking for MTRR support ...
[A[198C [34;01m[ [32;01mok[34;01m ][0m
>>> Unpacking source...
>>> Unpacking NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-256.53.run to /var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-256.53/work
>>> Source unpacked in /var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-256.53/work
>>> Preparing source in /var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-256.53/work ...
 [32;01m*[0m Applying 256.35-unified-arch.patch ...
[A[198C [34;01m[ [32;01mok[34;01m ][0m
 [32;01m*[0m Converting /kernel/Makefile.kbuild to use M= instead of SUBDIRS= ...
[A[198C [34;01m[ [32;01mok[34;01m ][0m
>>> Source prepared.
>>> Configuring source in /var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-256.53/work ...
>>> Source configured.
>>> Compiling source in /var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-256.53/work ...
 [32;01m*[0m Preparing nvidia module
make HOSTCC=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc CROSS_COMPILE=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu- LDFLAGS= IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=yes V=1 SYSSRC=/usr/src/linux SYSOUT=/lib/modules/2.6.36-gentoo/build HOST_CC=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc clean module 
NVIDIA: calling KBUILD...
make -C /lib/modules/2.6.36-gentoo/build \
KBUILD_SRC=/usr/src/linux-2.6.36-gentoo \
KBUILD_EXTMOD="/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-256.53/work/kernel" -f /usr/src/linux-2.6.36-gentoo/Makefile \
modules
test -e include/generated/autoconf.h -a -e include/config/auto.conf || (		\
echo;								\
echo "  ERROR: Kernel configuration is invalid.";		\
echo "         include/generated/autoconf.h or include/config/auto.conf are missing.";\
echo "         Run 'make oldconfig && make prepare' on kernel src to fix it.";	\
echo;								\
/bin/false)
mkdir -p /var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-256.53/work/kernel/.tmp_versions ; rm -f /var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-256.53/work/kernel/.tmp_versions/*
make -f /usr/src/linux-2.6.36-gentoo/scripts/Makefile.build obj=/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-256.53/work/kernel
  cc -Wp,-MD,/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-256.53/work/kernel/.nv.o.d  -nostdinc -isystem /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.4.5/include -I/usr/src/linux-2.6.36-gentoo/arch/x86/include -Iinclude  -I/usr/src/linux-2.6.36-gentoo/include -include include/generated/autoconf.h   -I/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-256.53/work/kernel -D__KERNEL__ -Wall -Wundef -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-trigraphs -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -Werror-implicit-function-declaration -Wno-format-security -fno-delete-null-pointer-checks -Os -m64 -mtune=generic -mno-red-zone -mcmodel=kernel -funit-at-a-time -maccumulate-outgoing-args -DCONFIG_AS_CFI=1 -DCONFIG_AS_CFI_SIGNAL_FRAME=1 -DCONFIG_AS_CFI_SECTIONS=1 -pipe -Wno-sign-compare -fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables -mno-sse -mno-mmx -mno-sse2 -mno-3dnow -Wframe-larger-than=2048 -fno-stack-protector -fno-omit-frame-pointer -fno-optimize-sibling-calls -Wdeclaration-after-statement -Wno-pointer-sign -fno-strict-overflow -fconserve-stack   -I/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-256.53/work/kernel -Wall -MD -Wno-cast-qual -Wno-error -D__KERNEL__ -DMODULE -DNVRM -DNV_VERSION_STRING=\"256.53\" -mcmodel=kernel -mno-red-zone -UDEBUG -U_DEBUG -DNDEBUG  -DMODULE  -D"KBUILD_STR(s)=#s" -D"KBUILD_BASENAME=KBUILD_STR(nv)"  -D"KBUILD_MODNAME=KBUILD_STR(nvidia)"  -c -o /var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-256.53/work/kernel/nv.o /var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-256.53/work/kernel/nv.c
/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-256.53/work/kernel/nv.c:426: error: unknown field 'ioctl' specified in initializer
/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-256.53/work/kernel/nv.c:426: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type
make[4]: *** [/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-256.53/work/kernel/nv.o] Error 1
make[3]: *** [_module_/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-256.53/work/kernel] Error 2
make[2]: *** [sub-make] Error 2
NVIDIA: left KBUILD.
nvidia.ko failed to build!
make[1]: *** [module] Error 1
make: *** [module] Error 2
emake failed
 [31;01m*[0m ERROR: x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-256.53 failed:
 [31;01m*[0m   Unable to emake HOSTCC=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc CROSS_COMPILE=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu- LDFLAGS=  IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=yes V=1 SYSSRC=/usr/src/linux 		SYSOUT=/lib/modules/2.6.36-gentoo/build HOST_CC=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc clean module
 [31;01m*[0m 
 [31;01m*[0m Call stack:
 [31;01m*[0m     ebuild.sh, line   56:  Called src_compile
 [31;01m*[0m   environment, line 4193:  Called linux-mod_src_compile
 [31;01m*[0m   environment, line 3103:  Called die
 [31;01m*[0m The specific snippet of code:
 [31;01m*[0m               eval "emake HOSTCC=\"$(tc-getBUILD_CC)\" 						CROSS_COMPILE=${CHOST}- 						LDFLAGS=\"$(get_abi_LDFLAGS)\" 						${BUILD_FIXES} 						${BUILD_PARAMS} 						${BUILD_TARGETS} " || die "Unable to emake HOSTCC="$(tc-getBUILD_CC)" CROSS_COMPILE=${CHOST}- LDFLAGS="$(get_abi_LDFLAGS)" ${BUILD_FIXES} ${BUILD_PARAMS} ${BUILD_TARGETS}";
 [31;01m*[0m 
 [31;01m*[0m If you need support, post the output of 'emerge --info =x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-256.53',
 [31;01m*[0m the complete build log and the output of 'emerge -pqv =x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-256.53'.
 [31;01m*[0m The complete build log is located at '/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-256.53/temp/build.log'.
 [31;01m*[0m The ebuild environment file is located at '/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-256.53/temp/environment'.
 [31;01m*[0m S: '/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-256.53/work/'
and my emerge --info is :

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emerge --info =x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-256.53
Portage 2.1.9.21 (default/linux/amd64/10.0/desktop/gnome, gcc-4.4.5, glibc-2.12.1-r1, 2.6.35-gentoo-r10 x86_64)
=================================================================
                        System Settings
=================================================================
System uname: Linux-2.6.35-gentoo-r10-x86_64-Intel-R-_Core-TM-_i7_CPU_Q_720_@_1.60GHz-with-gentoo-2.0.1
Timestamp of tree: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 18:00:01 +0000
ccache version 2.4 [disabled]
app-shells/bash:     4.1_p9
dev-lang/python:     2.6.6-r1, 3.1.2-r4
dev-util/ccache:     2.4-r8
dev-util/cmake:      2.8.1-r2
sys-apps/baselayout: 2.0.1
sys-apps/openrc:     0.6.3::pentoo
sys-apps/sandbox:    2.3-r1
sys-devel/autoconf:  2.13, 2.68
sys-devel/automake:  1.9.6-r3, 1.10.3, 1.11.1
sys-devel/binutils:  2.20.1-r1
sys-devel/gcc:       4.4.5
sys-devel/gcc-config: 1.4.1
sys-devel/libtool:   2.2.10
sys-devel/make:      3.82
virtual/os-headers:  2.6.35 (sys-kernel/linux-headers)
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="amd64 ~amd64"
ACCEPT_LICENSE="* -@EULA"
CBUILD="x86_64-pc-linux-gnu"
CFLAGS="-march=core2 -mtune=generic -O2 -pipe"
CHOST="x86_64-pc-linux-gnu"
CONFIG_PROTECT="/etc /usr/share/config"
CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK="/etc/ca-certificates.conf /etc/env.d /etc/fonts/fonts.conf /etc/gconf /etc/gentoo-release /etc/revdep-rebuild /etc/sandbox.d /etc/terminfo"
CXXFLAGS="-march=core2 -mtune=generic -O2 -pipe"
DISTDIR="/usr/portage/distfiles"
FEATURES="assume-digests binpkg-logs distlocks fixlafiles fixpackages news nostrip parallel-fetch protect-owned sandbox sfperms strict unknown-features-warn unmerge-logs unmerge-orphans userfetch"
GENTOO_MIRRORS="http://distfiles.gentoo.org"
LANG="es_ES.UTF-8"
LDFLAGS="-Wl,-O1 -Wl,--as-needed"
LINGUAS="fr es en"
PKGDIR="/usr/portage/packages"
PORTAGE_CONFIGROOT="/"
PORTAGE_RSYNC_OPTS="--recursive --links --safe-links --perms --times --compress --force --whole-file --delete --stats --timeout=180 --exclude=/distfiles --exclude=/local --exclude=/packages"
PORTAGE_TMPDIR="/var/tmp"
PORTDIR="/usr/portage"
PORTDIR_OVERLAY="/var/lib/layman/gamerlay /var/lib/layman/gnome /var/lib/layman/otih /var/lib/layman/zugaina /var/lib/layman/pentoo /var/lib/layman/sunrise /var/lib/layman/matsuu /var/lib/layman/mozilla /var/lib/layman/mpd /var/lib/layman/pcsx2"
SYNC="rsync://rsync.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage"
USE="X a52 aac acl acpi alsa amd64 avahi bash-completion berkdb bluetooth boost branding bzip2 cairo cdr consolekit cracklib crypt cxx dbus device-mapper dri dts dvd dvdr eds emboss encode evo exif fam ffmpeg firefox flac fortran gdbm gdu gif gnome gnome-keyring gpm gstreamer gtk iconv ipv6 jpeg kde lcms ldap libnotify mad mikmod mmx mng modules mp3 mp4 mpeg mudflap multilib nautilus ncurses nls nptl nptlonly ogg opengl openmp pam pango pdf perl png policykit ppds pppd pulseaudio python qt3support qt4 readline sdl spell sqlite sse sse2 ssl ssse2 startup-notification svg sysfs tcpd tiff truetype udev unicode usb vorbis x264 xcb xml xorg xulrunner xv xvid zeroconf zlib" ALSA_CARDS="ali5451 als4000 atiixp atiixp-modem bt87x ca0106 cmipci emu10k1x ens1370 ens1371 es1938 es1968 fm801 hda-intel intel8x0 intel8x0m maestro3 trident usb-audio via82xx via82xx-modem ymfpci" ALSA_PCM_PLUGINS="adpcm alaw asym copy dmix dshare dsnoop empty extplug file hooks iec958 ioplug ladspa lfloat linear meter mmap_emul mulaw multi null plug rate route share shm softvol" APACHE2_MODULES="actions alias auth_basic authn_alias authn_anon authn_dbm authn_default authn_file authz_dbm authz_default authz_groupfile authz_host authz_owner authz_user autoindex cache cgi cgid dav dav_fs dav_lock deflate dir disk_cache env expires ext_filter file_cache filter headers include info log_config logio mem_cache mime mime_magic negotiation rewrite setenvif speling status unique_id userdir usertrack vhost_alias" COLLECTD_PLUGINS="df interface irq load memory rrdtool swap syslog" ELIBC="glibc" GPSD_PROTOCOLS="ashtech aivdm earthmate evermore fv18 garmin garmintxt gpsclock itrax mtk3301 nmea ntrip navcom oceanserver oldstyle oncore rtcm104v2 rtcm104v3 sirf superstar2 timing tsip tripmate tnt ubx" INPUT_DEVICES="evdev" KERNEL="linux" LCD_DEVICES="bayrad cfontz cfontz633 glk hd44780 lb216 lcdm001 mtxorb ncurses text" LINGUAS="fr es en" PHP_TARGETS="php5-2" RUBY_TARGETS="ruby18" USERLAND="GNU" VIDEO_CARDS="nvidia" XTABLES_ADDONS="quota2 psd pknock lscan length2 ipv4options ipset ipp2p iface geoip fuzzy condition tee tarpit sysrq steal rawnat logmark ipmark dhcpmac delude chaos account" 
Unset:  CPPFLAGS, CTARGET, EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS, FFLAGS, INSTALL_MASK, LC_ALL, MAKEOPTS, PORTAGE_BUNZIP2_COMMAND, PORTAGE_COMPRESS, PORTAGE_COMPRESS_FLAGS, PORTAGE_RSYNC_EXTRA_OPTS

=================================================================
                        Package Settings
=================================================================

x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-256.53 was built with the following:
USE="acpi gtk (multilib) -custom-cflags"

any clue ?
Last edited by qdii on Sat Oct 23, 2010 9:47 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Post by pross » Fri Oct 22, 2010 11:59 pm

256.53 needs a small patch to work with 2.6.36

you can either add my overlay which includes it, or patch the ebuild yourself:

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--- kernel/nv.c.orig
+++ kernel/nv.c
@@ -423,7 +423,6 @@
 static struct file_operations nv_fops = {
     .owner     = THIS_MODULE,
     .poll      = nv_kern_poll,
-    .ioctl     = nv_kern_ioctl,
 #if defined(HAVE_UNLOCKED_IOCTL)
     .unlocked_ioctl = nv_kern_unlocked_ioctl,
 #endif
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Post by jburns » Sat Oct 23, 2010 12:12 am

Use x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-260.19.12 it works with 2.6.36
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Post by drescherjm » Sat Oct 23, 2010 12:21 am

Use x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-260.19.12 it works with 2.6.36
Same here. No problems with that.

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jmd1 ~ # equery l nvidia-drivers
 * Searching for nvidiadrivers ...
[IP-] [  ] x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-260.19.12:0
jmd1 ~ # uname -a
Linux jmd1 2.6.36-gentoo-lxc-autofs-patch #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Oct 21 11:35:28 EDT 2010 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 920 @ 2.67GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
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Post by qdii » Sat Oct 23, 2010 9:47 am

thanks a lot, I unmasked and emerged the newest nvidia-driver version as suggested, and it worked :)
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Post by radfoj » Sat Oct 23, 2010 4:28 pm

Hi, but we, with some older nvidia card, seems to have wait.

nvidia-drivers-173.14.27 doesnt compile against kernel-2.6.36.

BTW: nvidia-drivers-173.14.28 with xorg-server-1.9 support is out for some time
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Post by mohaa » Sun Oct 31, 2010 8:38 am

260.19.12 sure do compile with kernel 2.6.36 but they won't just work here.
X log file :

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X.Org X Server 1.7.7
Release Date: 2010-05-04
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.35-tuxonice-r5-0KuRo x86_64 
Current Operating System: Linux kokuro 2.6.36-tuxonice-0KuR #1 SMP Sat Oct 30 22:42:53 CEST 2010 x86_64
Kernel command line: root=/dev/sda6 ro vt.default_utf8=1 vga=791 quiet i8042.reset i8042.nomux i8042.nopnp i8042.noloop
Build Date: 16 October 2010  06:38:24PM
 
Current version of pixman: 0.18.2
	Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org
	to make sure that you have the latest version.
Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
	(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
	(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Sun Oct 31 09:40:21 2010
(==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
(==) ServerLayout "Layout0"
(**) |-->Screen "Screen0" (0)
(**) |   |-->Monitor "Monitor0"
(**) |   |-->Device "Device0"
(**) |-->Input Device "Mouse0"
(==) Automatically adding devices
(==) Automatically enabling devices
(==) FontPath set to:
	/usr/share/fonts/misc/,
	/usr/share/fonts/TTF/,
	/usr/share/fonts/OTF,
	/usr/share/fonts/Type1/,
	/usr/share/fonts/100dpi/,
	/usr/share/fonts/75dpi/
(==) ModulePath set to "/usr/lib64/xorg/modules"
(II) Cannot locate a core keyboard device.
(II) The server relies on HAL to provide the list of input devices.
	If no devices become available, reconfigure HAL or disable AutoAddDevices.
(WW) AllowEmptyInput is on, devices using drivers 'kbd', 'mouse' or 'vmmouse' will be disabled.
(WW) Disabling Mouse0
(II) Loader magic: 0x7c0160
(II) Module ABI versions:
	X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4
	X.Org Video Driver: 6.0
	X.Org XInput driver : 7.0
	X.Org Server Extension : 2.0
(++) using VT number 7

(--) PCI:*(0:1:0:0) 10de:0a29:104d:9067 nVidia Corporation rev 162, Mem @ 0xe2000000/16777216, 0xd0000000/268435456, 0xe0000000/33554432, I/O @ 0x0000d000/128, BIOS @ 0x????????/524288
(II) Open ACPI successful (/var/run/acpid.socket)
(II) LoadModule: "extmod"
(II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/libextmod.so
(II) Module extmod: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
	compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 1.0.0
	Module class: X.Org Server Extension
	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0
(II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
(II) Loading extension XFree86-VidModeExtension
(II) Loading extension XFree86-DGA
(II) Loading extension DPMS
(II) Loading extension XVideo
(II) Loading extension XVideo-MotionCompensation
(II) Loading extension X-Resource
(II) LoadModule: "dbe"
(II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/libdbe.so
(II) Module dbe: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
	compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 1.0.0
	Module class: X.Org Server Extension
	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0
(II) Loading extension DOUBLE-BUFFER
(II) LoadModule: "glx"
(II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so
(II) Module glx: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation"
	compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0
	Module class: X.Org Server Extension
(II) NVIDIA GLX Module  260.19.12  Fri Oct  8 11:41:55 PDT 2010
(II) Loading extension GLX
(II) LoadModule: "record"
(II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/librecord.so
(II) Module record: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
	compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 1.13.0
	Module class: X.Org Server Extension
	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0
(II) Loading extension RECORD
(II) LoadModule: "dri"
(WW) Warning, couldn't open module dri
(II) UnloadModule: "dri"
(EE) Failed to load module "dri" (module does not exist, 0)
(II) LoadModule: "dri2"
(WW) Warning, couldn't open module dri2
(II) UnloadModule: "dri2"
(EE) Failed to load module "dri2" (module does not exist, 0)
(II) LoadModule: "nvidia"
(II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so
(II) Module nvidia: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation"
	compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0
	Module class: X.Org Video Driver
(II) NVIDIA dlloader X Driver  260.19.12  Fri Oct  8 11:19:20 PDT 2010
(II) NVIDIA Unified Driver for all Supported NVIDIA GPUs
(II) Primary Device is: PCI 01@00:00:0
(II) Loading sub module "fb"
(II) LoadModule: "fb"
(II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/libfb.so
(II) Module fb: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
	compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 1.0.0
	ABI class: X.Org ANSI C Emulation, version 0.4
(II) Loading sub module "wfb"
(II) LoadModule: "wfb"
(II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/libwfb.so
(II) Module wfb: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
	compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 1.0.0
	ABI class: X.Org ANSI C Emulation, version 0.4
(II) Loading sub module "ramdac"
(II) LoadModule: "ramdac"
(II) Module "ramdac" already built-in
(**) NVIDIA(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32
(==) NVIDIA(0): RGB weight 888
(==) NVIDIA(0): Default visual is TrueColor
(==) NVIDIA(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0)
(**) NVIDIA(0): Option "ConnectedMonitor" "DFP-0"
(**) NVIDIA(0): Option "CustomEDID" "DFP-0: /proc/acpi/video/NGFX/LCD/EDID"
(**) NVIDIA(0): Option "RegistryDwords" "EnableBrightnessControl=1"
(**) Oct 31 09:40:22 NVIDIA(0): Enabling RENDER acceleration
(**) Oct 31 09:40:22 NVIDIA(0): ConnectedMonitor string: "DFP-0"
(II) Oct 31 09:40:22 NVIDIA(0): Support for GLX with the Damage and Composite X extensions is
(II) Oct 31 09:40:22 NVIDIA(0):     enabled.
Hardware is NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 330M 1Go
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Post by mohaa » Wed Dec 01, 2010 2:52 pm

Obviously, the bug with nvidia 260 drivers is kinda specific to sony laptops :?
Nvidia is working to re-issue drivers that will work. The beta du jour (260.19.26) seems to work.
links
http://code.google.com/p/vaio-f11-linux ... tail?id=34
http://nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread. ... ost2345359
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