when kde4.2.2 will hit portage?

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DaggyStyle · Post by **DaggyStyle** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 6:31 am

any eta?

Sujao · Post by **Sujao** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 2:33 pm

I am wondering the same.

slackline · Post by **slackline** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 2:38 pm

When its been fully tested and the maintainers are happy to add it to portage

In the meantime you may be interested in the KDE overlay which if you use you could actively feedback on and in turn hasten the stabilisation of into the main Portage tree

Kollin · Post by **Kollin** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 2:39 pm

Sujao wrote:I am wondering the same.

Ме 3

RealNC · Post by **RealNC** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:13 am

slack---line wrote:When its been fully tested

Isn't that what ~arch in the tree is for? The overlay is ugly. Hell breaks lose if I add it (lots of stuff wants to upgrade and eclasses are getting overriden).

slackline · Post by **slackline** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:25 am

RealNC wrote:
slack---line wrote:When its been fully tested
Isn't that what ~arch in the tree is for? The overlay is ugly. Hell breaks lose if I add it (lots of stuff wants to upgrade and eclasses are getting overriden).

Not, thats what the stable archs are for, you shouldn't expect anything thats ~arch to work perfectly as it is still in the testing phase (although in my experience running a system on ~arch is generally pretty stable).

l1q1d · Post by **l1q1d** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:55 am

Sujao wrote:I am wondering the same.

me TOOOOOOOOO!

ToeiRei · Post by **ToeiRei** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:34 am

You can trust me, guys: It will be ready as soon as it will be - not a minute later (tm)
And please, stop ranting about versions not in portage. You should rephrase the question in: What can I do to help for bringing package XY in portage?

True, sitting back and letting the others do the work is a comfortable way of doing things. But if you don't do anything for it, stop ranting!

slackline · Post by **slackline** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 10:31 am

ToeiRei wrote:You can trust me, guys: It will be ready as soon as it will be - not a minute later (tm)
And please, stop ranting about versions not in portage. You should rephrase the question in: What can I do to help for bringing package XY in portage?

True, sitting back and letting the others do the work is a comfortable way of doing things. But if you don't do anything for it, stop ranting!

Hear, hear

I get sick of people complaining that package XY version Z isn't in portage yet do diddly squat to help improve the situation.

If you're really bothered about getting KDE-4.whatever into portage install the overlay I originally mentioned and help squash bugs.

slack

Tadeas · Post by **Tadeas** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 10:45 am

I haven't noticed anybody complaining

. We are just curious when it will be available in portage...

slackline · Post by **slackline** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 10:50 am

Tadeas wrote:I haven't noticed anybody complaining . We are just curious when it will be available in portage...

But presumably you are asking because you would like to see it available in portage, no?

The quickest way to expedite this is to actively help by squashing bugs in the overlay, and by being involved in the overlay you will gain an appreciation of its progress and when it might migrate to portage, and therefore not have to ask out of curiosity when it will be available!

Otherwise its about as futile as pissing in the wind*

slack

* no offence intended, just trying to make a light-hearted joke

Hwoarang · Post by **Hwoarang** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 11:05 am

There are some minnor issues left with the kde4 eclasses. It wont take much longer

Sujao · Post by **Sujao** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 12:52 pm

Do you think the new portage version with the "set" functionality will become stable by the time kde 4.2 becomes stable?

i92guboj · Post by **i92guboj** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 1:49 pm

RealNC wrote:
slack---line wrote:When its been fully tested
Isn't that what ~arch in the tree is for? The overlay is ugly. Hell breaks lose if I add it (lots of stuff wants to upgrade and eclasses are getting overriden).

I am curious why do you think that putting it in ~arch will be any better then. The current state of the things is what it is, regardless if you put it into ~arch or an overlay.

Things are ready when they are ready. Taking the food out of the oven sooner to put it over a dish doesn't accelerate the process at all. It just means that the dish will be rawer than it should.

agent_jdh · Post by **agent_jdh** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 3:10 pm

Does anyone know if 4.2.2 fixes the text selection ("double click mouse interaction") issue in konsole?

i92guboj · Post by **i92guboj** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 3:20 pm

Portage 2.2 stuff split into a new post here:

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-56 ... ml#5634383

reavertm · Post by **reavertm** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:57 pm

Those impatient can get 4.2.2 from kde-testing overlay, as this is the place when we cook releases before portage inclusion (as mentioned in sticky thread). Currently we just wait for Gnome/X11 team to put some stuff in portage we depend on.

slackline · Post by **slackline** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 9:38 am

reavertm wrote:Those impatient can get 4.2.2 from kde-testing overlay, as this is the place when we cook releases before portage inclusion (as mentioned in sticky thread). Currently we just wait for Gnome/X11 team to put some stuff in portage we depend on.

Weird KDE depending on GNOME

i92guboj · Post by **i92guboj** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 10:00 am

slack---line wrote:
reavertm wrote:Those impatient can get 4.2.2 from kde-testing overlay, as this is the place when we cook releases before portage inclusion (as mentioned in sticky thread). Currently we just wait for Gnome/X11 team to put some stuff in portage we depend on.
Weird KDE depending on GNOME

Kde doesn't depends on gnome, the fact that both teams sync forces and interact to give the final user a better experience is a sign that results are more important than ghettos in Gentoo.
The gnome team does a lot more work than just pack gnome. the linux philosophy is to recycle packages, and that's what we should concentrate on, instead of disqualifying good pieces of software just because someone else uses them.
This is what the OSS need, so maybe one day people will stop to be idiotic rivalries and can concentrate in working together, like they should. Everyone will win with that. It is coming the day where the system trays, icons, and overall applications will be compatible with every DE. I fail to see the problem.

Just my view though

slackline · Post by **slackline** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 10:47 am

i92guboj wrote:
slack---line wrote:
reavertm wrote:Those impatient can get 4.2.2 from kde-testing overlay, as this is the place when we cook releases before portage inclusion (as mentioned in sticky thread). Currently we just wait for Gnome/X11 team to put some stuff in portage we depend on.
Weird KDE depending on GNOME

Kde doesn't depends on gnome, the fact that both teams sync forces and interact to give the final user a better experience is a sign that results are more important than ghettos in Gentoo.

The gnome team does a lot more work than just pack gnome. the linux philosophy is to recycle packages, and that's what we should concentrate on, instead of disqualifying good pieces of software just because someone else uses them.

This is what the OSS need, so maybe one day people will stop to be idiotic rivalries and can concentrate in working together, like they should. Everyone will win with that. It is coming the day where the system trays, icons, and overall applications will be compatible with every DE. I fail to see the problem.

Just my view though

I agree with all of the above that you have written, they are sensible and worthy goals.

Its just that what was originally written, and the way I read it, was that there is a KDE ebuild that has a DEPEND/RDEPEND on some GNOME package or other which I thought was strange as I am under the impression that they are implemented completely differently GNOME being built around Gtk(+) and KDE around Qt.

I also think that "triabalism" is detrimental to progress (in society as well as within the GNU/Linux community)

Cheers,

slack

rahulthewall · Post by **rahulthewall** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 7:03 am

/usr/portage/profiles/package.mask

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 Tiziano MÃ¼ller <dev-zero@gentoo.org> (28 Nov 2008)
# mask for testing/transition
# blueman needs policykit-gnome
net-wireless/bluez

kde-base/solid-4.2.2

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DEPEND="
         >=sys-apps/hal-0.5.9
         bluetooth? ( net-wireless/bluez )
        networkmanager? ( >=net-misc/networkmanager-0.7 )
"

There is your gnome dependency!

slackline · Post by **slackline** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 2:17 pm

rahulthewall wrote:/usr/portage/profiles/package.mask
Code: Select all
 Tiziano MÃ¼ller <dev-zero@gentoo.org> (28 Nov 2008)
# mask for testing/transition
# blueman needs policykit-gnome
net-wireless/bluez
kde-base/solid-4.2.2
Code: Select all
DEPEND="
         >=sys-apps/hal-0.5.9
         bluetooth? ( net-wireless/bluez )
        networkmanager? ( >=net-misc/networkmanager-0.7 )
"
There is your gnome dependency!

Ironically that dependency is currently hard masked! I've been playing around with net-wireless/blueman as I'm trying to get a keysoinc 540bt (bluetooth) keyboard working with my laptop (in preparation for installing Gentoo on my PS3 so I can use the keyboard with that) and the most recent version (1.02) depends on the new bluez package (as opposed to bluez-utils and bluez-libs).

That said its not a strict, but optional dependency, not that that matters because if polcykit-gnome does the job then why re-invent the wheel?

reavertm · Post by **reavertm** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 3:44 pm

So, to explain those "Gnome/X11" dependencies - https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=264647
We just need those environment variables in tree before 4.2.2 release, but other DE maintainers need to check whether it doesn't cause any regressions in their home.

Actually there were different reasons why 4.2.2 is delayed - like finally fixing installation of KDE handbooks for over ~100 packages and of course testing.

loki99 · Post by **loki99** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 6:19 pm

Hwoarang wrote:There are some minnor issues left with the kde4 eclasses. It wont take much longer

Thx for the info!

platojones · Post by **platojones** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 6:26 pm

I've been running it from the overlay for a week now...not having any problems with the overlay 'breaking' anything...just some warnings. I know that is being worked. Remember, if you use the overlay, and don't want to pick up everything in there, you should make careful use of the package.keywords, package.use and/or package.mask to control your environment.