Gentoo-Wiki redux discussion

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thrasher6670 · Post by **thrasher6670** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 2:47 pm

When I originally made gentoo-wiki.com I had never used mediawiki before and now that I am forced to restart from scratch I am going to fix some of those mistakes, and change the base structure of the website. I am currently working on setting up a test wiki so that we can explore some of these options and get everything setup just right.

I'll post back when the scratch wiki is up and i'll take suggestions for structure. If you have any suggestions right now feel free to post.

Stuck by NeddySeagoon
Unstuck 7 Jan 2010. --timeBandit

thrasher6670 · Post by **thrasher6670** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 2:59 pm

http://scratch.gentoo-wiki.com is setup and ready to go, taking suggestions now so that they can be tested. catch me here or on IRC #gentoo-wiki on efnet. I'm hoping to have everything setup late tonight or early tomorrow morning.

spikes · Post by **spikes** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 3:39 pm

Hi,
it would be nice, if possible to have some form of recognition for quality postings etc. maybe a voting system if you find a wiki page helpfull.

kernelOfTruth · Post by **kernelOfTruth** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 3:54 pm

spikes wrote:Hi,
it would be nice, if possible to have some form of recognition for quality postings etc. maybe a voting system if you find a wiki page helpfull.

this is a point in the right direction

imo it would be even better to vote "needs still work but things are accurate", "applying this can break your system", "excellent" (something like a traffic lights voting system)

thanks, btw for your hard work, Mike

gentoo-wiki.com and gentoo-portage.com have been invaluable aides when dealing with gentoo and/or linux in general

thrasher6670 · Post by **thrasher6670** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 4:14 pm

Figuring out any namespaces on teh IRC channel right now, so far we have the "Index" namespace so far. any other suggestons?

AllenJB · Post by **AllenJB** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 4:46 pm

I don't think a voting system would work on a wiki. How do you account for changes to the article? (A change could be a minor correction or a major rewrite)

thrasher6670 · Post by **thrasher6670** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 4:48 pm

AllenJB wrote:I don't think a voting system would work on a wiki. How do you account for changes to the article? (A change could be a minor correction or a major rewrite)

It's a good idea and we can make a template to allow for this in the future, I've seen a good base one one mediawiki we can use.

thrasher6670 · Post by **thrasher6670** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 4:53 pm

http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Extensions

help pick out the extensions we plan to use and post the onto the scratch test wiki:

http://scratch.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Extensions

yngwin · Post by **yngwin** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 4:55 pm

That's good news, that the wiki is back! I think you are making the right decision with implementing structural changes based on lessons learnt, now that you start more or less from scratch.

thrasher6670 wrote:on IRC #gentoo-wiki on efnet.

Why efnet when practically every other Gentoo related channel is on Freenode?

Anyway, I would like to help, especially in areas of structure, categorization, templates, spellchecking and other such editorial tasks.

thrasher6670 · Post by **thrasher6670** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 5:38 pm

yngwin wrote:That's good news, that the wiki is back! I think you are making the right decision with implementing structural changes based on lessons learnt, now that you start more or less from scratch.

thrasher6670 wrote:on IRC #gentoo-wiki on efnet.
Why efnet when practically every other Gentoo related channel is on Freenode?

Anyway, I would like to help, especially in areas of structure, categorization, templates, spellchecking and other such editorial tasks.

i'll setup a freenode one later, just been hanging out on the Efnet #gentoo for years

pjv · Post by **pjv** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 6:35 pm

Do I understand correctly that no real information has been lost, only the wiki configs? Please reassure me. That would be terrible, all this effort... All those hours of work and such a large amount of knowledge... Maybe Gentoo should step forward at this point (I know they've always said the wiki wasn't official) and team up with Mike to improve and secure things?

cheater512 · Post by **cheater512** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 10:53 pm

pjv all the information was lost.

I have managed to recover basically everything though, but there are no histories or anything like that so its still best to start over.
Head over here if you need a wiki page: http://www.gentoo-wiki.info/

flarets · Post by **flarets** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 5:29 am

it's quite amazing to see this community pulling together.
is there a gentoo-portage thread like this? with regards to commenting/uploading photos etc, could the internet archive be useful?
http://web.archive.org/web/200802091140 ... com/Browse
A feedback or priority system that shows what still needs doing would also allow people to focus their effort - just a thought.

P.S. I really like the idea of using twitter as a changelog

johnm1019 · Post by **johnm1019** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:03 pm

any thoughts on writing a script to scrape from the google cache of the wiki?

maybe use that to update what you already have for the missing entries.......

deface · Post by **deface** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:11 pm

johnm1019 wrote:any thoughts on writing a script to scrape from the google cache of the wiki?

maybe use that to update what you already have for the missing entries.......

We'd rather not import the old site or data. If you would like to use the old wiki - http://www.gentoo-wiki.info - it is read-only; but is up for
now as an archive site. (Thanks to Cheater512)

spikes · Post by **spikes** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 4:33 am

just noticed a glaring error, on http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Help:IRC

down the bottom it mentions appealing against disciplinary action. and the email address used is help@crayola.com why would emails need to be sent to a colouring pencil company??

If discplinary measures are taken and the affected person wishes to appeal, appeals should be addressed to the help@crayola.com via email.

deface · Post by **deface** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 4:35 am

spikes wrote:just noticed a glaring error, on http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Help:IRC

down the bottom it mentions appealing against disciplinary action. and the email address used is help@crayola.com why would emails need to be sent to a colouring pencil company??

If discplinary measures are taken and the affected person wishes to appeal, appeals should be addressed to the help@crayola.com via email.

nope, not written in error. point being - if you want to appeal, oh well.

spikes · Post by **spikes** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 4:43 am

bad form imo, encouraging spam to a company....

cheater512 · Post by **cheater512** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 6:27 am

'Immature' and 'Childish' come to mind.

thrasher6670 · Post by **thrasher6670** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:19 am

spikes wrote:just noticed a glaring error, on http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Help:IRC

down the bottom it mentions appealing against disciplinary action. and the email address used is help@crayola.com why would emails need to be sent to a colouring pencil company??

If discplinary measures are taken and the affected person wishes to appeal, appeals should be addressed to the help@crayola.com via email.

thats what AllenJB for copy/pasting from somewhere else.

AllenJB · Post by **AllenJB** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:35 pm

Wasn't me! I wrote the version of the page on scratch but hadn't copied it over yet.

X-dark · Post by **X-dark** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 4:18 am

I have just seen that you are looking for foreign language admin. I'm french so if you need someone for that language just tell me I would be glad to help.

motosauro · Post by **motosauro** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:23 am

X-dark wrote:I have just seen that you are looking for foreign language admin. I'm french so if you need someone for that language just tell me I would be glad to help.

I enlist for the Italian language

steveL · Post by **steveL** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:11 pm

Would it be possible to have registered users (similar to forum users)? Even the C wiki now requires login to edit (though if you know a bit of C you can login based on /topic ##c.) I think that would make things a lot better, especially wrt quality of material; people like AllenJB should have a bit more say imo.

Just a suggestion, thanks for the wiki.

aidanjt · Post by **aidanjt** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:15 pm

Mediawiki can require authentication for editing with the right configuration as well.

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