E17 is coming(part 6) [locked]

[artbody]

locked thread, part 7 continued [topic=873651]here[/topic] --cach0rr0

E17 Vapier's Dev Overlay
installation = ok

But now i've a verry fundamental problem with the E17

In E 16 one of the best and essential features to join this WM was
the multiple desktops
in E17 this feature is missing

Looks like a developer's brainbug (sry)
brainbug becourse
Why did people choose E16 ... and what is the difference between other WM's like gnome
a) virtuelle Desktops and multiple desktops
b) clicking somwhere on the background results in a menu under the mousepointer
c) No desktop-icons spammed windows like KDE or M$...
....

I've used Enlightenment since 1997 - great work
but E17
I think its time to give the developers a statement for virtuelle Desktops and multiple desktops
PLEASE bring multiple desktops back into 17!! They may not seem important to those who don't use them but they're an essential key to fast work flow for those of us who do.
http://forum.enlightenment.org/comments ... 114&page=1

[asturm]

I'm curious where you failed, but for me e17 is all about virtual desktop fun.

Also, enlightenment is currently best for powersaving - powertop gets as low as 42 wake-ups on my oldschool Centrino notebook, and that's even without HPET and the deeper sleep states of current Centrino CPUs.

[DaggyStyle]

well, I've installed e17 but it doesnt seems to be usable, I have the configuring options but it seems it isnt all, my application list is empty, I have the file manager but hitting the system icon doesnt open the file manager, sound isnt seems to be working, any hints on how to make it more usable?

[asturm]

I have the configuring options but it seems it isnt all

What do you mean?

my application list is empty

I don't use that, instead fill Favorites with your beloved applications to get them with a single right click or use 'Run Command' (i find myself using that most of the time).

I have the file manager but hitting the system icon doesnt open the file manager

What system icon?

sound isnt seems to be working

Not a e17 problem I suppose, unless you just miss any fancy event sounds - I don't think there are any.

[ppurka]

my application list is empty

Copy the following contents to ~/.e/e/applications/menu/favorite.menu. This will set up a basic right click menu for you.

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<?xml version="1.0"?>
<!DOCTYPE Menu PUBLIC "-//freedesktop//DTD Menu 1.0//EN" "http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/menu-1.0.dtd">
<Menu>
  <Name>Applications</Name>
  <DefaultAppDirs/>
  <DefaultDirectoryDirs/>
  <Layout>
      <Menuname>Net</Menuname>
      <Menuname>Multimedia</Menuname>
      <Menuname>Graphics</Menuname>
      <Menuname>Office</Menuname>
      <Menuname>Printer</Menuname>
      <Menuname>Settings</Menuname>
      <Menuname>System</Menuname>
      <Menuname>Misc</Menuname>
      <Menuname>All Applications</Menuname>
  </Layout>
  <Menu>
      <Name>Net</Name>
      <Include><Category>Network</Category></Include>
  </Menu>
  <Menu>
      <Name>Multimedia</Name>
      <Include><Category>Audio</Category></Include>
      <Include><Category>AudioVideo</Category></Include>
  </Menu>
  <Menu>
      <Name>Graphics</Name>
      <Include><Category>Graphics</Category></Include>
  </Menu>
  <Menu>
      <Name>Office</Name>
      <Include><Category>Office</Category></Include>
  </Menu>
  <Menu>
      <Name>Printer</Name>
      <Include><Category>Printers</Category></Include>
  </Menu>
  <Menu>
      <Name>Settings</Name>
      <Include><Category>Settings</Category></Include>
  </Menu>
  <Menu>
      <Name>System</Name>
      <Include><Category>System</Category></Include>
  </Menu>
  <Menu>
      <Name>Misc</Name>
      <Include><Category>Editor</Category></Include>
      <Include><Category>Utility</Category></Include>
      <Include><Category>Utilities</Category></Include>
  </Menu>
  <Menu>
      <Name>All Applications</Name>
      <Include><Category>Applications</Category></Include>
      <Include><Category>Application</Category></Include>
  </Menu>
</Menu>

If you want your applications menu to be non-empty too you will have to set up something similar as ~/.config/menus/applications.menu. However if you use kde too, then having the above file in ~/.config/menus/applications.menu will mess up kde's menu structure. I don't know how to fix that mess.
Read http://wiki.enlightenment.org/index.php/E17_and_Efreet for a complete picture of what goes on in e17.

I have the file manager but hitting the system icon doesnt open the file manager

Is this system icon what you get from using kde? In that case, it will not work in e17 since it is specific to kde.

BIG EDIT: It seems the website has been updated quite a bit since the last time I had read it. Follow the directions for gentoo in the website, and you should have a decent (though not all applications may be available) applications menu set up. For your favorites, you will have to use something similar to what I posted above.

[artbody]

I'm curious where you failed, but for me e17 is all about virtual desktop fun.

Also, enlightenment is currently best for powersaving - powertop gets as low as 42 wake-ups on my oldschool Centrino notebook, and that's even without HPET and the deeper sleep states of current Centrino CPUs.

In E16 i could configure Virtual Desktop's i.e 3x4 same in E17 - is working - ok

In E16 i could configure Multible Desktop's i.e 3 behind each other
--------- E17 nothing ----------------

[artbody]

Some enlightmentstuff makes wired links to 4 /dev/sd* from a RAID 1+0 array but they are mapped with dmraid to /dev/mapper/nvidia_aeefddea1

/home/~/.e/e/fileman/favorites
|storage_serial_SATA_ST3320620AS_3QF08LR2_1.desktop
.....
/home/~/Desktop
|storage_serial_SATA_ST3320620AS_3QF08LR2_1.desktop
.....

some ideas to kill such a behavior?

[nixnut]

continued from E17 is coming? (part 5)

[DaggyStyle]

I'm trying to load another theme, I've used this:

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evidence --theme=LCARS

but I get this:

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0 evidence.c::main: LC_CTYPE is not set, falling back to LANG ("he_IL")...
0 options.c::parse_options: not built with a canvas, ignoring theme...
automatic tooltips are disabled. use the middle mouse-button to call
up a tooltip, or start me like so to enable tooltips:

        evidence --enable-tooltips

Evidence: 20 minutes into the future.
Version 0.9.8 (May  4 2008)
(c)2002-2005 by Azundris et al.

Built with /usr/share/config.site /usr/etc/config.site

0 gui_gtk2.c::noir_sess_create: could not load theme "???" (???) {(null)}, disabling canvas...
0 about.c::about_init: no image "" for credits page...
0 gui_gtk2.c::go2view_setup: could not enable icon-view... ((nil),(nil))

how can I load the theme?

[ppurka]

I am surprised you even have it working. evidence has been unmaintained for years.

[DaggyStyle]

I am surprised you even have it working. evidence has been unmaintained for years.

well, the source did came from cvs... so whats is the replacement?

[ppurka]

I am surprised you even have it working. evidence has been unmaintained for years.

well, the source did came from cvs... so whats is the replacement?

entropy? I haven't used it though.

[PeterKraus]

Genstorm: How do you get such a ridiculously small amount of wake-ups? I tried to follow the guide, but i am getting 560 wake-ups per second...

[jarealist]

Another snapshot update (May 18th):

http://download.enlightenment.org/snapshots/LATEST/

Menu generation is looking better......

[dylan_stark]

I installed E17 from CVS today, but it won't even start. It just shows that ugly little window with two options - recover and exit.

[ppurka]

I installed E17 from CVS today, but it won't even start. It just shows that ugly little window with two options - recover and exit.

Probably a theme or module problem. You can retry with a new profile.

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cd ~/.e/e/config
mv default default.old
#now start e

[depontius]

Another snapshot update (May 18th):

http://download.enlightenment.org/snapshots/LATEST/

Menu generation is looking better......

Good I recently decided to try and jump on board, and can't get the 041 snapshot to build. It dies on ecore. I notice that layman hasn't picked up 043 yet, but I presume that's just a matter of time. I've got other things to do, so I can wait.

[deno]

Hi! Does anyone has idea what could be the reason for desktop storage icons to disapear? Now I just have a names but no picture...

[ppurka]

Hi! Does anyone has idea what could be the reason for desktop storage icons to disapear? Now I just have a names but no picture...

Set an icon theme?

[asturm]

In E16 i could configure Multible Desktop's i.e 3 behind each other
--------- E17 nothing ----------------

Hmm. Never tried that out. Usefulness...?

Genstorm: How do you get such a ridiculously small amount of wake-ups? I tried to follow the guide, but i am getting 560 wake-ups per second...

I didn't do much more than following the guide and activating the powersaving hints of powertop. 560 wake-ups is a ridiculously high amount... you should investigate which programs are causing those.

[deno]

@ppurka

That doesn't help. I never noticed changes after changing an icon theme. I was always actually wondering what for is that good. All other icons are there and they look nice like it is intended accoring to theme.

edit:

Sorry, and thanks for suggestion. It works only with Tango theme, which I apparently never tried.

[deno]

Next question : What happend with automounting when clicking on storage icons? It worked before, now it doesn't.

[asturm]

Btw, is there anyone here using enterminus and knows how to make it usable? Default font size and 'shadows' make it a pain to read.

[artbody]

In E16 i could configure Multible Desktop's i.e 3 behind each other
--------- E17 nothing ----------------

Hmm. Never tried that out. Usefulness...?

It's more than usefull
imagine a situation like the following
Multible-Desktop 4 (MD) + Virtual Desktop 4x3 (VD)
MD 1 = a nice picture - all local stuff i.e
- VD 1
-- Sound and gkrell ...(funstuff)
- VD 2 Seamonkey or Firefox
- VD 3 Opera
- VD 5 normaly a rootshell
- VD 6 Documentations etc
no apps which can damage anything on a system i.e Me as user

MD 2 = another nice picture
- VD 1 - 12 Web-developers stuff i.e eclipse + docs + tail -f apache.log...

MD 3 VMware in my case mirrors of some rootserver

MD 4 = a picture that lookes very dangerous (red fire skull)
- All real danger Stuff - production server - never type

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ssh me@x.x.x.x
Last login: Thu May 22 14:23:56 2008 from x.x.x.x
me@localhost ~ $ su root
Password: 
localhost achim # 
localhost / #rm -f ./*

So i'll explain a short way of working
reading on MD 1 VD2 Onlinepage -
2 stepps with the mousewheel brings me to » MD3 VD x (depends on where i was last time) - here doing some webstuff on a VMwaremirror
1 stepp with the mousewheel brings me to » MD4 VD x (depends on where i was last time) and i.e rsync remote with the VM...
3 stepps back with the mousewheel brings me to » MD4 VD 2 - VD 2 Webbrowser reload - ok » Mouse edgeflipp right or i.e F3 -VD 3 Webbrowser reload - ok the new work looks great....
and so on

3 dimensional arrays are much more usefull than such with only 2 dimensions -
i hope you know what i mean
E16 was a great work with 3 dim Array Desktops and a cool look and feel
E17 is like the "look and feel theme dev's " did a good looking fork
But they forgot there basics » 3 dim Array Desktop

I'm working since RedHat 5.0 in that way
e16 was the only one wm with this feature
so i realy can't understand why the mainfeature in which e16 realy differs from other WM's has gone in E17

[PeterKraus]

Well, that wasn't "main feature" of e16, anyway, I don't see how 2D array of desktop is not enough for anyone... The point of E17 is to have it as configurable as possible. Maybe you could drop by #e @ freenode, and ask the devs themselves.

@Dylan_Stark:
Are you sure, that your greeter application is launching enlightenment_start instead of enlightenment (this applies especially for XDM)?

@Genstorm:
I've read up, that this kind-of high amount of wake ups is quite common on Core 2 Duos (they tend to reschedule stuff a lot, which causes wake-ups), along with using of Synaptics touchpad.