KDE-3.5.8 - already on the tree

[jmbsvicetto]

Hi.

The KDE team just wants to let you know that the work for adding kde-3.5.8 to the tree has been started and it will be ready, when it's ready!
Access to the tarballs will be restricted to the packagers until 3.5.8 is released.

[edit]The kde-3.5.8 release is now on the Portage tree (20 October 2007)[/edit]

[mkzelda]

That's cool. So when will it be ready?

[roderick]

it will be ready, when it's ready!

mkzelda, I think that's pretty clear. Don't ask for when it will be ready. The team is busy working on the 100+ kde packages and ebuild and have to update, build and test each one with various use flag combinations and hopefully remove any immediate bugs and problems. This is not as simple as "wow a new KDE" and install. There are patches to consider from the existing 3.5.7 train and whether they are still relevant for 3.5.8 and if they need to be included, there's no guarantee it will compile cleanly, which means patches may need to be redone.

So, in short, "it will be ready, when it's ready"

[StifflerStealth]

This is great news. I didn't even know 3.5.8 was being worked on by the kde devs. Are there really that many bugs? I will definitely need to read the list of changes. Thanks for keeping us informed.

[renrutal]

it will be ready, when it's ready!

mkzelda, I think that's pretty clear. Don't ask for when it will be ready.

You fail at detecting jokes.

[roderick]

You fail at detecting jokes.

Actually, I'm quite good with humor, like did you hear the one about the nun, the rabbi, and the prostitute... no wait that was a tv show....

BTW jmbsvicetto, keep up the great work, and we patiently await 3.5.8 for ""when it is ready"".

[yngwin]

I will definitely need to read the list of changes.

Here you go: http://www.kde.org/announcements/change ... o3_5_8.php

[StifflerStealth]

I will definitely need to read the list of changes.

Here you go: http://www.kde.org/announcements/change ... o3_5_8.php

Not a lot of important fixes. I guess that's good. It means KDE is 3.5.x is really stable. Though, I see the two bugs I posted to their bugs server haven't even been looked at yet. It's been ages and one's coming up on 2 years old. -_- Ah well.

[Carlo]

Not a lot of important fixes.

On the one hand I disagree - there's a decent number of bugfixes - on the other hand the number of bug fixes will slow down as it is in low maintenance mode.

It means KDE is 3.5.x is really stable.

Arguable.

[StifflerStealth]

Yeah ... true ... but in the past, the changelogs were huge. This one is quite small. Though, development of KDE4 is more of a priority, but so far KDE 3.5.7 has been very stable especially compared with 3.4.x

[roderick]

I certainly have no stability issues with > 3.5.6. Earlier I believe I did.

Pretty solid here. Can't wait for the new update/fixes though.

[wrc1944]

3.5.8 released, but no ebuilds yet.
http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-3.5.8.php

[katafitos]

Good things come to those who wait

[BServiss]

Not a lot of important fixes.

The url redirect bug caused me a few problems

[mister.woody]

Hi.

The KDE team just wants to let you know that the work for adding kde-3.5.8 to the tree has been started and it will be ready, when it's ready!
Access to the tarballs will be restricted to the packagers until 3.5.8 is released.

it seems to be that any other distribution already carries 3.5.8 . Why do we have this delay?

[onesandzeros]

It means KDE is 3.5.x is really stable.

Arguable.

Well, if it's not stable enough for you, maybe it will be in the future. This post mentions 3.5.9! http://dot.kde.org/1192559921/1192574259/1192575042/

[jmbsvicetto]

Hi.

The KDE team just wants to let you know that the work for adding kde-3.5.8 to the tree has been started and it will be ready, when it's ready!
Access to the tarballs will be restricted to the packagers until 3.5.8 is released.

it seems to be that any other distribution already carries 3.5.8 . Why do we have this delay?

We already replied to you on IRC, but for the benefit of all the others, kde-3.5.8 was released Tuesday (2 days ago). We're working on it and making good progress. Having people complaining about the end of the world for the 2 day delay, doesn't help us and won't make us work any harder.

[i92guboj]

Hi.

The KDE team just wants to let you know that the work for adding kde-3.5.8 to the tree has been started and it will be ready, when it's ready!
Access to the tarballs will be restricted to the packagers until 3.5.8 is released.

it seems to be that any other distribution already carries 3.5.8 . Why do we have this delay?

You really have no idea about what being a source distro implies. It is easy to just pack binary packages and distribute them, to make split ebuilds for every single package in kde is not that easy at all. The work is huge, and complains don't help.

[ToeiRei]

You really have no idea about what being a source distro implies. It is easy to just pack binary packages and distribute them, to make split ebuilds for every single package in kde is not that easy at all. The work is huge, and complains don't help.

I second that. Most distros only offer the full packages - so they 'just' compile them...

[dracula1985]

Between kde 3.5.7 and 3.5.8 there are no big changes, as told on some posts of this thread, so why people complains about 2 or 3 days of delay from other distros?
I could understand if there was a lot of big changes and bugfixes, but there aren't...

Our guys are doing a great work, leave them finish it...

[Ingmarv]

On top off the previous comments I'd like to add:
- On how many arches does gentoo serve KDE ? And for how many arches is your average binary distro available ?
- Also note that the KDE herd has roughly a 100 open bugs, but they do intend to go through most of those, to see what can be easily fixed now. This will probably avoid committing revisions later on, and saves alot of users alot of compile time.

[Carlo]

to make split ebuilds for every single package in kde is not that easy at all. The work is huge, and complains don't help.

Well, for such a minor version bump it takes an afternoon or so, plus the one or the other issue to sort out while the ebuilds remain hard masked.

[ToeiRei]

Don't forget that Gentoo developers are volunteers and that some of them got a life.

[StifflerStealth]

Hi.

The KDE team just wants to let you know that the work for adding kde-3.5.8 to the tree has been started and it will be ready, when it's ready!
Access to the tarballs will be restricted to the packagers until 3.5.8 is released.

it seems to be that any other distribution already carries 3.5.8 . Why do we have this delay?

We already replied to you on IRC, but for the benefit of all the others, kde-3.5.8 was released Tuesday (2 days ago). We're working on it and making good progress. Having people complaining about the end of the world for the 2 day delay, doesn't help us and won't make us work any harder.

I don't care if I need to wait 5 or 10 days, because I know that once the packages hit the tree, they will be great with very little hassles in compiling them. Other distros just release the packages immediately and go we were first, but then they may need to release an update days later to add a few patches. When Gentoo releases something, a lot of the times the needed patches are included for any bugs they may have found during testing, so I only need to compile once. I'd rather compile once than every other day. Keep up the great work and thank you.

[Philantrop]

because I know that once the packages hit the tree, they will be great with very little hassles in compiling them. Other distros just release the packages immediately and go we were first, but then they may need to release an update days later to add a few patches.

Thank you. It's good to read such things once in a while. :)

We could have dumped the ebuilds into the tree (package.masked) a few days ago and just have waited for people to complain and fix things then. This time, we try to deliver quality and that takes a little longer than "one afternoon". We do the testing while we're working on the little problems that remain (post 3.5.8 and open bugs in Bugzilla) and skip the package.mask step this time. Instead, 3.5.8 will be in ~arch directly.