Are you satisfied with Paludis

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adekoba · Post by **adekoba** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 12:24 am

i had some problems with paludis, i eventually just ended up switching back to portage. it would lock the computer during random compilations and i had to reboot every time. it wasn't with the same package either

Paapaa · Post by **Paapaa** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 9:00 am

dark_speedo wrote:i had some problems with paludis, i eventually just ended up switching back to portage. it would lock the computer during random compilations and i had to reboot every time. it wasn't with the same package either

That seems very odd and it really could be hardware problem. Have you checked your memory? And you got no crashes when using Portage emerging the exact same packages?

adekoba · Post by **adekoba** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:59 pm

I have 1g, I use wmii and it never goes above 200m even when compiling large packages (with portage).

There were no crashes when using portage. In fact I had to use portage to install them because paludis would lock my computer every time (it did it like 5 out of the 10 times I used it).

nixnut · Post by **nixnut** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 8:28 pm

Did the packages that failed fail in the test fase? Paludis enables test in the default configuration (with some exceptions) whereas with portage it's not enabled by default.

adekoba · Post by **adekoba** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 9:10 pm

Sorry, I honestly don't remember... I can try again later.

Paapaa · Post by **Paapaa** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 10:16 pm

Please do test if you have the time and interest. Paludis definitely should not be locking your computer and I have not seen other reports. Make sure you use the latest version.

adekoba · Post by **adekoba** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 10:41 pm

Ok, it works now. I don't know why it did that before, but, whatever.

One thing though is after syncing, paludis wants to downgrade pciutils to pciutils-2.2.3-r2, so it does. Then after running another paludis -i world, it installs pciutils-2.2.4-r2. then after that installs it wants to downgrade again. It goes in a loop. (I run ~x86 btw so it should keep pciutils-2.2.4-r2 installed.)

and I keep getting this:

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xenon paludis # paludis -i world -p
Building target list... 
Building dependency list...paludis@1174689629: [WARNING] In program paludis -i world -p:
  ... When performing install action from command line:
  ... When executing install task:
  ... When adding PackageDepSpec 'virtual/baselayout':
  ... When loading VDB PROVIDEs map the slow way:
  ... When loading VDBRepository entries from '/var/db/pkg':
  ... When loading VDBRepository entries for 'media-video' from '/var/db/pkg':
  ... Ignoring VDB entry '/var/db/pkg/media-video/mplayer-1.0_rc2_pre20070321-r2' due to exception 'Name '1.0_rc2_pre20070321-r2' is not a valid version spec' (paludis::BadVersionSpecError)
paludis@1174689631: [WARNING] In program paludis -i world -p:
  ... When performing install action from command line:
  ... When executing install task:
  ... When adding PackageDepSpec 'media-video/mplayer':
  ... When fetching versions of 'media-video/mplayer' in gentoo:
  ... When loading versions for 'media-video/mplayer' in gentoo:
  ... Skipping entry '/usr/portage/media-video/mplayer/mplayer-1.0_rc2_pre20070321-r2.ebuild' for 'media-video/mplayer' in repository 'gentoo'
paludis@1174689631: [WARNING] (same context) Skipping entry '/usr/portage/media-video/mplayer/mplayer-1.0_rc2_pre20070321-r3.ebuild' for 'media-video/mplayer' in repository 'gentoo'

every time I run paludis. i've synced twice since installed paludis.

truc · Post by **truc** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 11:23 pm

I'm not sure, but I think it's because of the awful version of this package, paludis is probably not able to decide which part is the version and which is the revision.

nikaya · Post by **nikaya** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 11:50 pm

dark_speedo wrote: One thing though is after syncing, paludis wants to downgrade pciutils to pciutils-2.2.3-r2, so it does. Then after running another paludis -i world, it installs pciutils-2.2.4-r2. then after that installs it wants to downgrade again. It goes in a loop. (I run ~x86 btw so it should keep pciutils-2.2.4-r2 installed.)

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# equery d pciutils
[ Searching for packages depending on pciutils... ]
media-sound/alsa-utils-1.0.14_rc2-r3 (sys-apps/pciutils)
sys-apps/hal-0.5.7.1-r5 (sys-apps/pciutils)

Try to re-emerge hal and alsa-utils

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paludis -i1 sys-apps/hal media-sound/alsa-utils

I had the same issue with qt-3,a re-emerge of kdebase solved the problem.

adekoba · Post by **adekoba** » Sat Mar 24, 2007 12:08 am

john.doe wrote:Try to re-emerge hal and alsa-utils
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paludis -i1 sys-apps/hal media-sound/alsa-utils
I had the same issue with qt-3,a re-emerge of kdebase solved the problem.

Awesome! thanks, it worked.

Will the mplayer issue go away by itself with subsequent syncs? or is there any way to move them from my local repositories

steveL · Post by **steveL** » Sat Mar 24, 2007 2:40 am

truc wrote:I'm not sure, but I think it's because of the awful version of this package, paludis is probably not able to decide which part is the version and which is the revision.

Does the version string work in portage? Cos it's a simple regex in the code, I've seen it somewhere.. just take that if it works?

Conan · Post by **Conan** » Sat Mar 24, 2007 2:43 am

http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166522

Paapaa · Post by **Paapaa** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:43 am

Paapaa wrote:Of course, PMS is not yet ready but I'm looking forward for the public draft.

Here is the announcement of the first PMS draft:

http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_143920.xml

And the draft itself is here:

http://dev.gentoo.org/~spb/pms.pdf

steveL · Post by **steveL** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:57 am

Paapaa wrote:And the draft itself is here:

http://dev.gentoo.org/~spb/pms.pdf

Yeah nice document

STEDevil · Post by **STEDevil** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 2:44 pm

I switched back to Portage for 1 single reason

cfg-update is not fully supporting Paludis

cfg-update and eix are two of the main things that has made using Portage and thus entire Gentoo bareable for quite a while now. Eix already been ported I saw, but cfg-update is still missing. Its almost a lifesaver when you get that 100+ package updates with almost as many config files to update afterwards...

xentric · Post by **xentric** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 3:00 pm

STEDevil wrote:I switched back to Portage for 1 single reason

cfg-update is not fully supporting Paludis

cfg-update and eix are two of the main things that has made using Portage and thus entire Gentoo bareable for quite a while now. Eix already been ported I saw, but cfg-update is still missing. Its almost a lifesaver when you get that 100+ page updates with almost as many config files to update afterwards...

I'm working on support for Paludis at this moment...
I've installed Gentoo in a virtual machine and installed Paludis on it.
cfg-update will soon have support for Paludis!

kernelOfTruth · Post by **kernelOfTruth** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 3:23 pm

another problem:

there's for example new versions of mozilla-firefox (2.0.0.2 > 2.0.0.3) but paludis doesn't pull / install them by issueing

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paludis -ip world

is there something similar planned like a "deep tree update", paludis looks through the installed apps (+ dependencies) & updates them ?

++

for the uninstall function with dependencies, btw

Paapaa · Post by **Paapaa** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 4:13 pm

kernelOfTruth wrote:another problem:

there's for example new versions of mozilla-firefox (2.0.0.2 > 2.0.0.3) but paludis doesn't pull / install them by issueing
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paludis -ip world
is there something similar planned like a "deep tree update", paludis looks through the installed apps (+ dependencies) & updates them ?

I think this thread is not a support thread, this is:

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-53 ... ight-.html

But: do you have correct entries in /etc/paludis/keywords.conf? Mozilla-firefox-2.0.0.3 is ~arch.

I actually don't know how Paludis handles deep upgrades. Anyone?

truc · Post by **truc** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 4:32 pm

I had the same problem, firefox was in RDEPEND of mplayerplug-in, and was not in my world file, unfortunately, RDEPEND are treated as DEPEND, so once mplayerplug-in is installed, paludis wouldn't upgrade firefox. (at least this is what I've understood).

honnestly? this just sucks.. I ended up adding mozilla-firefox to my world...

STEDevil · Post by **STEDevil** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:59 pm

xentric wrote:I'm working on support for Paludis at this moment...
I've installed Gentoo in a virtual machine and installed Paludis on it.
cfg-update will soon have support for Paludis!

Exellent as always Xen!

pigeon768 · Post by **pigeon768** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 8:41 pm

Paapaa wrote:I wonder why those who voted NO switched back to portage. They left no comments. There is always the suspicion that they never even tried Paludis in the first place...

Many of them probably never did. (myself included)

When given a choice between two non-applicable voting options and no "abstain" option, you sorta go with the most applicable one. ;p This poll could seriously use a "I thought about using Paludis but it seems too beta right now" option and/or a "Mheh, not worth emerging a reinvented wheel" option and a definitely a "WTF is paludis?" option just to keep the voting focused.

xentric · Post by **xentric** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 10:07 pm

zxy:I've sent you a private message with a request for testing the new cfg-update with support for Paludis.

vipernicus · Post by **vipernicus** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 4:36 am

I switched back.

Reasoning: I do not see a need for 2 package managers. When I switched, I created an overlay called portage-free, which enabled me to have no package depending on portage. One of the issues I ran into is during a binutils install, it needed to call binutils-config, which needs portageq. There are various other setups that try to use portageq. Until I can have paludis as the only package manager, I see no use in using it next to portage.

Hypnos · Post by **Hypnos** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:11 pm

I switched to Paludis recently, and I love it. A few annoyances --

* Convenience scripts/clients that should be included in main Paludis distribution:
- config-decruft (Ruby prototype already exists)
- etc-paludis (currently in paludis-extras overlay)
- revdep-rebuild (currently provided by gentoolkit in paludis-extras overlay; prototype)

* inquisitio:
- Should have an IUSE extractor
- Should have reverse dependency search

This last one is non-trivial, because to do it right requires dep spec processing. adjutrix does a nice revdep search with "-r" and "-D", but doesn't apply system USE flags or the USE flags with which a particular requiring package was built.

* Also, I'd like a smarter way to do this:

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paludis --dl-upgrade as-needed -ip "$(cat /var/db/pkg/world)" | \
    grep -v '\[R\]'

I use this snippet to check for upgrades to packages in world while ignoring dep upgrades. If I just do

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paludis --dl-upgrade as-needed -ip world

I get nothing unless something isn't installed in the first place.

Hypnos · Post by **Hypnos** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 9:48 pm

* Looks like my search question is already in the works:

http://paludis.pioto.org/trac/ticket/126

* Looking for upgrades in packages in world, but not any deeper, could be handled by specifying the depth of the dep resolver; in this case, N=1. But, this is getting rather esoteric and against the spirit of complete dep consistency, which is what Paludis strives for ...

So, I'll be happy to wait

Are you satisfied with Paludis

Would (did) you switch back to portage after installing paludis?