Beryl 0.2 is out! Portage ETA?

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nesl247 · Post by **nesl247** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 6:03 pm

This is as close as it's going to get: http://trac.gentoo-xeffects.org/changes ... format=zip

log · Post by **log** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 1:13 am

Yeah, I am behind an evil firewall at uni and I have to use tsocks with layman.

krisse · Post by **krisse** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:24 am

Paapaa wrote:When someone sees Beryl 0.2.0 in Portage tree, please say "Whooptie-doo".

Whooptie-doo

log · Post by **log** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:32 am

Whooptie-doo 0.2.1

Paapaa · Post by **Paapaa** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:35 am

Thanks, guys

Is "emerald" USE flag working correctly? Now enabling the use flag seems to disable emerald support. That is a bit counter-intuitive.

Also, beryl-0.2.1 doesn't pass src_test phase when using Paludis - this is an ebuild problem. It is, however, recommended not to file bugs at this point according to Paludis webpage. I still hope the maintainer sees this.

nesl247 · Post by **nesl247** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:50 am

Paapaa wrote:Thanks, guys

Is "emerald" USE flag working correctly? Now enabling the use flag seems to disable emerald support. That is a bit counter-intuitive.

Also, beryl-0.2.1 doesn't pass src_test phase when using Paludis - this is an ebuild problem. It is, however, recommended not to file bugs at this point according to Paludis webpage. I still hope the maintainer sees this.

Yeah, he did something a little wierd.. In xeffects, it was noemerald, for the reason of it's name.. To get, no emerald. Portage rules are to not use noflag style flags if possible, but ah, this is one situtation it should have been used..

reub2000 · Post by **reub2000** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 7:50 pm

Anyone else having problems with aquamarine from portage? I got it from portage and it didn't work. Compiling the tarball and installing it did work.

Elleni · Post by **Elleni** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:04 pm

reub2000 wrote:Anyone else having problems with aquamarine from portage? I got it from portage and it didn't work. Compiling the tarball and installing it did work.

I come from installing both some days ago - first emerged the portage version and afterwards the xeffects overlay version. Succeded in both cases. (Used aiglx with radeon opensource driver)

reub2000 · Post by **reub2000** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 2:11 am

I installed it again from portage and now it works. Very cool. I'll have to spend the next couple of days exploring beryl.

Zarhan · Post by **Zarhan** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 10:04 am

Ok, I hopped on the AIGLX eyecandy desktop and replaced my Kwin with Beryl + aquamarine with the ebuilds now in portage.

Aquamarine seems to work as expected as a decorator, no complaints there.

However...problems so far (and yes, in the following I use desktop/workspace/viewport interchangeably since I cannot really fathom what's Beryl's terminology)

Kpager: Doesn't work. Everything appears on "desktop 1".
The taskbar doesn't have integration - if I right-click on an application title, there is no "to desktop" or equivalent anymore.
Beryl does not seem to remember placement of windows (firefox on Desktop/workspace 2, Kopete on 4, two Konsoles on 1) etc upon shutdown. Everything appears on viewport/workspace/desktop 1 on re-login.
Beryl requires me to re-configure keyboard shortcuts (for changing desktops, etc).

Minor gripe: I use six virtual desktops. I cannot, for some reason, use the "top" and "bottom" of a cube. Instead I have to create a weird hexagon. So no six-faceted cube for me then, I guess.

Oh well...waiting for KDE 4 and builtin AIGLX support in KWin.

whig · Post by **whig** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 10:01 pm

Beryl 0.2 had a "number of desktops" widget on one of the config pages which was set at 1, I bumped it to 4

log · Post by **log** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 11:21 pm

@Zarhan

I was under the impression that KDE4 wasnt going to have any fancy AIGLX acceleration?

Hopefully I am mistaken...

i92guboj · Post by **i92guboj** » Sat Mar 24, 2007 12:33 am

log wrote:@Zarhan

I was under the impression that KDE4 wasnt going to have any fancy AIGLX acceleration?

Hopefully I am mistaken...

It depends on what you call fancy. KDE4 nor any other program needs aiglx, really. Beryl does not need either if you use true hardware acceleration with a card (and driver) that does support the GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap extension, for example, nvidia cards with nvidia drivers >= 1.0-9629.

KDE already has support for compositing into kicker and kwin, crappy support, via kompmgr, which is a hack of xcompmgr. But it kind of works. Even more, if I am not wrong, KDE shipped the first window manager that could do true transparency natively, using compositing. And after that, probably was e16 and gnome.

Expect support for shadows and transparencies on kde4, probably some basic effects, but don't forget that kde is not beryl. If you want to see burning windows, use beryl, the kde developers have too many important things to be wasting the time in a thing that has already been implemented in another wm that can be used within kde, like beryl.

Bear in mind that kde4 will be a big big big step in which regards the kde foundations, but kde users will not see the true kde4 in action until it is 4.3 or so The libs and lots of subsystems are being reworked, but much of the applications have not even been ported to qt4. So, kde 4.0 is more likely to be a slightly buggier kde 3.7 with, probably, a few new features, and some new backends that we will not see in action until new applications are developed or the existing ones are refactored to use that new underlying potential.

I doubt you will see a comparable thing in kde4, at least, when it is released as 4.0. And I am happy that fanciness is not a primary goal.

Zarhan · Post by **Zarhan** » Sat Mar 24, 2007 9:15 am

whig wrote:Beryl 0.2 had a "number of desktops" widget on one of the config pages which was set at 1, I bumped it to 4

Apparently this means the "number of cubes". When I set this to 6 (and the horizontal size to 6), I got 36 workspaces...Not exactly what I was looking for.

whig · Post by **whig** » Sat Mar 24, 2007 9:22 pm

Zarhan wrote:Apparently this means the "number of cubes". When I set this to 6 (and the horizontal size to 6), I got 36 workspaces...Not exactly what I was looking for.

The "desktop" number works for me, if I reduce it the number of workspaces shrinks in the taskbar in real time... no 16 workspaces, still a "4" sided cube.

dreadhead · Post by **dreadhead** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 10:23 am

Can anyone confirm that beryl 0.2.x is way more unstable as 0.1.4 was?

I really had no problems with 0.1.4. But 0.2.x freezes my machine on startup. I need to pass the paramaters "--skip-tests --force-aiglx" or ir will lock my system.
When running, the entire systems seems to be much slower with 0.2.x than with 0.1.x versions.
aquamarine crashes after a while so it is unusable.

The only improvement I can see is the nicer beryl-settings-manager.

I think I have to downgrade do 0.1.4 again and hope that 0.2.2 or whatever comes soon.

whig · Post by **whig** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:36 pm

I had problems, but different to those of yours. In the end I mv'ed ~/.beryl and ~/.emerald to start again.

dreadhead · Post by **dreadhead** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:41 pm

whig wrote:I had problems, but different to those of yours. In the end I mv'ed ~/.beryl and ~/.emerald to start again.

already tried this... doesn't help

d2_racing · Post by **d2_racing** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:58 pm

Maybe you can check my post : http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-549276.html

I worked a lot last night to get a semi-fonctional Beryl with only minor result.