Xfce 4.4

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baigsabeeh · Post by **baigsabeeh** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:16 am

Ok hangon, I got them to work but they are just window manager themes. Iw as looking for something that themed the entire thing.

96140 · Post by **96140** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:40 am

You're looking for gtk+ and icon themes -- the look of the buttons, scrollbars, everything inside the window. For that, I suggest that you visit either Xfce-Look or Gnome-Look. Xfce is gtk+-based, and both sites have many, many gtk+ themes and icon sets available. Xfce-Look also includes window manager themes to complement your gtk/icon theme of choice.

jeanfrancis · Post by **jeanfrancis** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:49 am

Hi there!

As we are talking of themes...

I'm trying this one: http://www.xfce-look.org/content/show.php?content=30972

I installed it but it don't look exactly like the screenshot. However, this is said that it was based on "Clearlooks"... is this a gtk-engine? Should I change gtk-engines-xfce for it? (I don't know where to get it... I don't find it in Portage

)

jeanfrancis · Post by **jeanfrancis** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:56 am

Oh I got it

It's in gtk-engines package

Thanks

baigsabeeh · Post by **baigsabeeh** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:59 am

Actually I'm using one of the themes in gtk-engines-murrine that's in Portage and I paired that with the Slood windeco. It' looks IMO.

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/7217 ... 024ai1.png

tsuru · Post by **tsuru** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 3:54 am

I found that all my previous font issues with Firefox were completely solved when I renamed the ~/.config directory and allowed XFCE to make a new one from scratch. Desktop icons and options also appeared. Anyone still having problems might want to try it.

geniux · Post by **geniux** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 7:28 am

jeanfrancis wrote: If you want to have it for all users, I guess you have to put it in /usr/local/share/themes, but I didn't try it.

This I've never tried, must try it someday. I always put them in /usr/share/themes if I want a theme to be available to all. But since I'm the only user every theme seems to get into my ~/.themes folder

jeanfrancis · Post by **jeanfrancis** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 7:34 am

I just tried... and it don't works

I usually usr /usr/local/share, because then I remember if I copied stuff from somewhere and let /usr/share/* managed by packages...

However, that don't always work

That works for menu items, you can add applications adding .desktop files in /usr/local/share/applications

96140 · Post by **96140** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 7:46 am

You should read the Xfce guide I wrote a couple of weeks before 4.4's release:

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/xfce-config.xml

(And yes, it will be updated for the 4.4 packages, but not before they're unmasked, as nothing is stable yet, so don't file any bugs about 4.4 this or 4.4 that.)

It includes tips on where to place themes and icon sets.

breakerfall · Post by **breakerfall** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 1:00 am

breakerfall wrote:Oh, I'm wondering... has anyone noticed the fact that they removed the option to disable menu icons? Anyone know why? I can't find much info... except a way on how to disable ALL gtk menu icons. But have they really removed the option to disable menu icons? And why?

?

ilm · Post by **ilm** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:20 am

Does anyone know why xfce4-artwork blocks libxfce4util? This just occured to me when I synced about 15 minutes ago (I had emerged xfce4-artwork for the extra backgrounds).

96140 · Post by **96140** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:19 am

ilm wrote:Does anyone know why xfce4-artwork blocks libxfce4util? This just occured to me when I synced about 15 minutes ago (I had emerged xfce4-artwork for the extra backgrounds).

I gleaned the following from IRC:

The blockers are in place for all 4.2 packages that don't have a 4.4 version. And since libxfce4util is a core library, sooner or later everything deps on it.

But don't take my word for it; take a look at the libxfce4util ebuild yourself. All those packages have either been removed from the upstream Xfce release, changed names, or have been otherwise integrated into 4.4.

ilm · Post by **ilm** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:21 am

Looks like it died upstream......

I suppose they just did a mass block for all old xfce packages... even though all xfce4-artwork does AFAIK is to put some pictures, etc. in various places

Narusegawa · Post by **Narusegawa** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 4:52 pm

Just about to build my system and was thinking of XFCE... is it worth doing it now or just waiting til 4.4 becomes stable? I'd like the option to just emerge xfce and let it get the rest itself, and not worry bout versions and what not of the things I've seen in the thread.

Or can I still install 4.2 without hassle? I don't plan on ~amd64 (except for very specific packages)

svenk · Post by **svenk** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:36 pm

Hello,

is there any reason why the XFCE 4.4 ebuilds are hard masked? The 4.4. brunch has been officially released (as you all know

), but the ebuilds are still hard masked. That's strange, because - for instance - after a new firefox or openoffice version, gentoo usually makes these versions only masked, not hard masked.

So what's the reason? Pretening the "I've put emerge world into crontab"-people from emerging XFCE 4.4. without their knoweledge?

Sven

miknix · Post by **miknix** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:48 pm

Narusegawa wrote:Just about to build my system and was thinking of XFCE... is it worth doing it now or just waiting til 4.4 becomes stable? I'd like the option to just emerge xfce and let it get the rest itself, and not worry bout versions and what not of the things I've seen in the thread.

Or can I still install 4.2 without hassle? I don't plan on ~amd64 (except for very specific packages)

At the time I builded XFCE 4.4.0 in my system, it wasn't available on portage for ~amd64. So.. I grabbed a stable tarball from their Official Homepage and builded my self.
I'm with that release ever since, it never crashed, it's new features are amazing and makes XFCE 4.3 deprecated. It's still/more very lightweight.

If some XFCE contributor is reading this, I would like to thank him

PS: Where is included xfrun4?

geniux · Post by **geniux** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:04 pm

svenk wrote:Hello,

is there any reason why the XFCE 4.4 ebuilds are hard masked? The 4.4. brunch has been officially released (as you all know ), but the ebuilds are still hard masked. That's strange, because - for instance - after a new firefox or openoffice version, gentoo usually makes these versions only masked, not hard masked.

So what's the reason? Pretening the "I've put emerge world into crontab"-people from emerging XFCE 4.4. without their knoweledge?

Sven

Can't answer you why it's still hard masked, but I can tell you that it's very stable. I haven't had any crashes yet, all applications is running smoothly and the composition is working great

Don't know if all the others are sharing my good experiences with Xfce 4.4, but I'd never thought that it would work as nice as it has

96140 · Post by **96140** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:23 pm

geniux wrote:
svenk wrote:Hello,

is there any reason why the XFCE 4.4 ebuilds are hard masked? The 4.4. brunch has been officially released (as you all know ), but the ebuilds are still hard masked. That's strange, because - for instance - after a new firefox or openoffice version, gentoo usually makes these versions only masked, not hard masked.

So what's the reason? Pretening the "I've put emerge world into crontab"-people from emerging XFCE 4.4. without their knoweledge?

Sven
Can't answer you why it's still hard masked, but I can tell you that it's very stable. I haven't had any crashes yet, all applications is running smoothly and the composition is working great
Don't know if all the others are sharing my good experiences with Xfce 4.4, but I'd never thought that it would work as nice as it has

When there's a new version of Gnome released, does it go straight into ~arch? No, of course not. Policy is usually (and should be more often) to first place packages in package.mask for a time. Packages in there are undergoing rapid development. Just take a look at the open bugs for 4.4, and read the changelogs for the 4.4 packages. The Xfce team is still figuring out blockers, dependencies, and so on; the ebuilds are being revised several times a day. It's easier and more appropriate to just leave the packages masked, so that they don't have to revbump an ~arch version for every change made (which policy would require them to do, if it was in ~arch).

So just be patient. 4.4 runs nicely on my laptop, but there are still some things that need to be straightened out. Also, only arch teams have the power to mark packages stable or ~arch.

Anyone else demanding, "zomg y u not stablzie or ~arch?!?!11" needs to read this:
Gentoo Developer Handbook
Gentoo Devmanual

Bottom line: chill out. You can emerge it regardless of whether it's in package.mask or in ~arch, so just be content with the freely provided packages you have! They're still under development; right now, the upgrade path from 4.2 is quite ugly, and Gentoo's Xfce team is trying very hard to fix this in all their revisions. Patience.

onlinepancakes · Post by **onlinepancakes** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:24 pm

geniux wrote:
svenk wrote:Hello,

is there any reason why the XFCE 4.4 ebuilds are hard masked? The 4.4. brunch has been officially released (as you all know ), but the ebuilds are still hard masked. That's strange, because - for instance - after a new firefox or openoffice version, gentoo usually makes these versions only masked, not hard masked.

So what's the reason? Pretening the "I've put emerge world into crontab"-people from emerging XFCE 4.4. without their knoweledge?

Sven
Can't answer you why it's still hard masked, but I can tell you that it's very stable. I haven't had any crashes yet, all applications is running smoothly and the composition is working great
Don't know if all the others are sharing my good experiences with Xfce 4.4, but I'd never thought that it would work as nice as it has

Same here. Xfce 4.4 just runs so smooth. It should be marked as stable. It just runs that good.

96140 · Post by **96140** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:26 pm

onlinepancakes wrote:Same here. Xfce 4.4 just runs so smooth. It should be marked as stable. It just runs that good.

Nope, see my earlier post.

It stays in p.mask for a good bit of time while developers get all the rapid-fire changes out of the way, figure out deps, rdeps, blockers, etc. Then they open bugs requesting keywords, which have to be done by arch teams. After about 30 days in Portage with no open bugs, then a package is a candidate for being marked stable. We have those policies in place for a very good reason.

b3cks · Post by **b3cks** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:37 pm

miknix wrote:PS: Where is included xfrun4?

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xunami b3cks # equery b xfrun4
[ Searching for file(s) xfrun4 in *... ]
xfce-base/xfce-utils-4.4.0 (/usr/bin/xfrun4)

Greets.

geniux · Post by **geniux** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:10 pm

nightmorph wrote:
Bottom line: chill out. You can emerge it regardless of whether it's in package.mask or in ~arch, so just be content with the freely provided packages you have! They're still under development; right now, the upgrade path from 4.2 is quite ugly, and Gentoo's Xfce team is trying very hard to fix this in all their revisions. Patience.

I'm chilled, I just stated that my Xfce-4.4 install works great

And I can wait a great while for it to be marked stable, since my hard masked version works over all hopes I've had
You devs are doing a great job, keep it up

miknix · Post by **miknix** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:14 pm

b3cks wrote:

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xunami b3cks # equery b xfrun4
[ Searching for file(s) xfrun4 in *... ]
xfce-base/xfce-utils-4.4.0 (/usr/bin/xfrun4)

Greets.

Thanks.

Arniepoo · Post by **Arniepoo** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:09 pm

Hi,

I have just emerged xfce4 and what a pleasure it is. Works out of the box. I have been using E17 for the last few months but have got bit fed up with its instability and constant breaks.

I have one question, which if asked would make my life complete:

How do I edit the system menu that is included in the xfce4 menu. I see the include line in the menu editor but I can't see any way of editing this menu. I have ended up with loads of crap in it (apparently) over the last few years and I would like to rationalise it a bit. Could someone point me to a topic or wiki or docs that describe the menu system.

Cheers,

Arnie

96140 · Post by **96140** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:20 pm

Arniepoo wrote:[. . .]

http://wiki.xfce.org/faq#menu

also:

http://www.xfce.org/about/tour (notice the screenshot of the "edit menu" button)

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