why does it need konqueror?

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dylan_stark · Post by **dylan_stark** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:20 pm

I'm trying to update a system but i don't need konqueror and don't want konqueror. Why it' trying to install it anyway? And kfind for that matter!?

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ghost ~ # emerge -vp --tree --deep --update world

These are the packages that would be merged, in reverse order:

Calculating world dependencies /

... done!
[ebuild     U ] kde-base/kdm-3.5.4-r2 [3.5.4-r1] USE="arts pam -debug -kdeenablefinal -kdehiddenvisibility -xinerama" 20 kB
[ebuild     U ] sys-apps/findutils-4.3.1 [4.3.0] USE="nls (-selinux) -static (-build%)" 1,163 kB
[ebuild     U ] sys-apps/debianutils-2.17.1 [2.16.2] USE="-static" 127 kB
[ebuild     U ] sys-process/psmisc-22.3 [22.2] USE="X ipv6 nls (-selinux)" 251 kB
[ebuild     U ] app-admin/logrotate-3.7.2 [3.7.1-r2] USE="(-selinux)" 32 kB
[ebuild     U ] kde-base/konsole-3.5.4-r1 [3.5.4] USE="arts -debug -kdeenablefinal -kdehiddenvisibility -xinerama" 0 kB
[ebuild     U ] kde-base/kdebase-startkde-3.5.4-r1 [3.5.4] USE="arts -debug -kdeenablefinal -kdehiddenvisibility -xinerama" 0 kB
[ebuild     U ]  kde-base/kdesktop-3.5.4-r1 [3.5.4] USE="arts -debug -kdeenablefinal -kdehiddenvisibility -xinerama -xscreensaver" 0 kB
[ebuild  N    ]   kde-base/konqueror-3.5.4  USE="arts -debug -java -kdeenablefinal -kdehiddenvisibility -xinerama" 0 kB
[ebuild  N    ]    kde-base/kfind-3.5.4  USE="arts -debug -kdeenablefinal -kdehiddenvisibility -xinerama" 0 kB
[ebuild     U ]  kde-base/ksmserver-3.5.4-r1 [3.5.4] USE="arts -debug -kdeenablefinal -kdehiddenvisibility -xinerama" 0 kB
[ebuild     U ]  kde-base/kpersonalizer-3.5.4-r1 [3.5.4] USE="arts -debug -kdeenablefinal -kdehiddenvisibility -xinerama" 0 kB
[nomerge      ] x11-base/xorg-x11-7.0-r1  USE="-3dfx" INPUT_DEVICES="keyboard mouse -acecad -aiptek -calcomp -citron -digitaledge -dmc -dynapro -elo2300 -elographics -evdev -fpit -hyperpen -jamstudio -joystick -magellan -magictouch -microtouch -mutouch -palmax -penmount -spaceorb -summa -synaptics -tek4957 -ur98 -vmmouse -void -wacom" VIDEO_CARDS="fbdev nvidia vesa -apm -ark -chips -cirrus -cyrix -dummy -fglrx -glint -i128 -i740 -i810 -imstt -mach64% -mga -neomagic (-newport) -nsc -nv -r128% -radeon% -rendition -s3 -s3virge -savage -siliconmotion -sis -sisusb (-sunbw2) (-suncg14) (-suncg3) (-suncg6) (-sunffb) (-sunleo) (-suntcx) -tdfx -tga -trident -tseng -v4l -vga -via -vmware -voodoo (-ati%)"
[ebuild     U ]  x11-apps/mesa-progs-6.5.1 [6.5] 4,353 kB
[ebuild     U ] kde-base/kmail-3.5.4-r2 [3.5.4-r1] USE="arts crypt -debug -kdeenablefinal -kdehiddenvisibility -xinerama" 0 kB

Dizzutch · Post by **Dizzutch** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:28 pm

because you have kde-base installed, and konqueror is part of KDE.

dylan_stark · Post by **dylan_stark** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:54 pm

Yes, but I had it from first installation a year ago and never had tried to install konqueror.

Dizzutch · Post by **Dizzutch** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:58 pm

i can't tell you why that is, but konqueror is a dep. of kde-base. since kde without konqueror isn't kde.

CorpseOfMystic · Post by **CorpseOfMystic** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 3:49 pm

Specifically, it is startkde that is giving you Konqueror. Startkde is the default KDE session, which starts up with kdesktop as your desktop manager. Kdesktop uses Konqueror's icon views to display icons on the desktop.

dylan_stark · Post by **dylan_stark** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:02 pm

Is there any way I could block this? I don't even use KDE anymore. I installed bare minimum just because of kmail.

CorpseOfMystic · Post by **CorpseOfMystic** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:22 pm

Have you tried removing startkde and kdesktop? If you don't use KDE they shouldn't be necessary. Kmail should not require them.

mikegpitt · Post by **mikegpitt** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:49 am

You need to fin dout what is depending on konqueror, get rid of those and then you can safely get rid of konqueror. Two ways to do that:

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equery d kde-base/konqueror

or

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emerge -et world

and see in the tree view what depends on konq.

Q-collective · Post by **Q-collective** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 4:20 am

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equery d konqueror

dylan_stark · Post by **dylan_stark** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 7:53 am

This is crazy. I have unistalled kdesktop and startupkde but now kdesktop is trying to install itselt but nothing depends on it. And kdesktop i pulling konqueror with it??!?!

Very frustrating.

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[ebuild  N    ] kde-base/kdesktop-3.5.4-r1  USE="arts -debug -kdeenablefinal -kdehiddenvisibility -xinerama -xscreensaver" 20 kB
[ebuild  N    ]  kde-base/konqueror-3.5.4  USE="arts -debug -java -kdeenablefinal -kdehiddenvisibility -xinerama" 0 kB
[ebuild  N    ]   kde-base/kfind-3.5.4  USE="arts -debug -kdeenablefinal -kdehiddenvisibility -xinerama" 0 kB
[ebuild     U ] kde-base/kdm-3.5.4-r2 [3.5.4-r1] USE="arts pam -debug -kdeenablefinal -kdehiddenvisibility -xinerama" 0 kB
[ebuild     U ] sys-apps/findutils-4.3.1 [4.3.0] USE="nls (-selinux) -static (-build%)" 1,163 kB
[ebuild     U ] sys-apps/debianutils-2.17.1 [2.16.2] USE="-static" 127 kB
[ebuild     U ] sys-process/psmisc-22.3 [22.2] USE="X ipv6 nls (-selinux)" 251 kB
[ebuild     U ] app-admin/logrotate-3.7.2 [3.7.1-r2] USE="(-selinux)" 32 kB
[ebuild     U ] kde-base/konsole-3.5.4-r1 [3.5.4] USE="arts -debug -kdeenablefinal -kdehiddenvisibility -xinerama" 0 kB
[nomerge      ] x11-base/xorg-x11-7.0-r1  USE="-3dfx" INPUT_DEVICES="keyboard mouse -acecad -aiptek -calcomp -citron -digitaledge -dmc -dynapro -elo2300 -elographics -evdev -fpit -hyperpen -jamstudio -joystick -magellan -magictouch -microtouch -mutouch -palmax -penmount -spaceorb -summa -synaptics -tek4957 -ur98 -vmmouse -void -wacom" VIDEO_CARDS="fbdev nvidia vesa -apm -ark -chips -cirrus -cyrix -dummy -fglrx -glint -i128 -i740 -i810 -imstt -mach64% -mga -neomagic (-newport) -nsc -nv -r128% -radeon% -rendition -s3 -s3virge -savage -siliconmotion -sis -sisusb (-sunbw2) (-suncg14) (-suncg3) (-suncg6) (-sunffb) (-sunleo) (-suntcx) -tdfx -tga -trident -tseng -v4l -vga -via -vmware -voodoo (-ati%)"
[ebuild     U ]  x11-apps/mesa-progs-6.5.1 [6.5] 4,353 kB
[ebuild     U ] kde-base/kmail-3.5.4-r2 [3.5.4-r1] USE="arts crypt -debug -kdeenablefinal -kdehiddenvisibility -xinerama" 0 kB
[nomerge      ]  kde-base/kcontrol-3.5.4  USE="arts opengl ssl -debug -ieee1394 -kdeenablefinal -kdehiddenvisibility -logitech-mouse -xinerama"
[ebuild     U ]   kde-base/kicker-3.5.4-r1 [3.5.4] USE="arts -debug -kdeenablefinal -kdehiddenvisibility -xcomposite -xinerama" 0 kB
[ebuild     U ]  kde-base/kdebase-kioslaves-3.5.4-r1 [3.5.4] USE="arts hal* -debug -kdeenablefinal -kdehiddenvisibility -ldap -openexr -samba -xinerama" 0 kB
[ebuild  N    ]   sys-apps/pmount-0.9.13  USE="crypt" 405 kB
[ebuild  N    ]   sys-apps/hal-0.5.7.1-r1  USE="acpi crypt -debug -dmi -doc -pcmcia (-selinux)" 1,467 kB
[ebuild  N    ]    sys-apps/dbus-0.62  USE="X gtk python qt3 qt4 -debug -doc -mono (-selinux)" 1,696 kB
[ebuild  N    ]     dev-python/pyrex-0.9.4.1  177 kB
[ebuild  NS   ]     x11-libs/qt-4.1.4  USE="cups gif jpeg mysql opengl png zlib -accessibility -debug -doc -examples -firebird -mng -nas -nis -odbc -postgres -sqlite -xinerama" 31,420 kB
[ebuild  N    ]    sys-libs/libcap-1.10-r9  USE="python" 38 kB
[ebuild  N    ]     dev-lang/swig-1.3.29  USE="perl php python -doc -guile -java -lua -mono -ocaml -pike -ruby -tcl -tk" 3,923 kB
[ebuild  N    ]    sys-apps/hotplug-20040923-r2  43 kB
[ebuild  N    ]    sys-fs/cryptsetup-luks-1.0.3-r2  USE="nls -dynamic (-selinux)" 297 kB
[ebuild  N    ]     sys-fs/device-mapper-1.02.09  USE="(-selinux)" 903 kB
[nomerge      ] kde-base/knotes-3.5.4  USE="arts -debug -kdeenablefinal -kdehiddenvisibility -xinerama"
[nomerge      ]  kde-base/kontact-3.5.4  USE="arts -debug -kdeenablefinal -kdehiddenvisibility -xinerama"
[nomerge      ]   kde-base/libkpimidentities-3.5.4  USE="arts -debug -kdeenablefinal -kdehiddenvisibility -xinerama"
[ebuild     U ]    kde-base/libkdepim-3.5.4-r1 [3.5.4] USE="arts -debug -kdeenablefinal -kdehiddenvisibility -xinerama" 0 kB
[nomerge      ] mail-filter/spamassassin-3.1.5  USE="berkdb ipv6 mysql ssl -doc -ldap -postgres -qmail -sqlite -tools"
[ebuild     U ]  dev-perl/IO-Socket-SSL-1.01 [0.99.9] 44 kB
[ebuild     U ] net-misc/openssh-4.3_p2-r3 [4.3_p2-r2] USE="X%* ipv6 pam tcpd -X509 -chroot -hpn -kerberos -ldap -libedit (-selinux) -sftplogging -skey -smartcard -static" 919 kB
[ebuild     U ] app-arch/gzip-1.3.5-r9 [1.3.5-r8] USE="nls -build -pic -static" 323 kB
[nomerge      ] dev-java/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.03-r12  USE="-doc -nsplugin"
[ebuild     U ]  dev-java/java-config-2.0.29 [2.0.28-r1] 16 kB
[nomerge      ] net-www/mplayerplug-in-3.31-r1  USE="gtk quicktime -divx -gmedia -realmedia% -wmp (-real%*)"
[ebuild     U ]  www-client/mozilla-firefox-1.5.0.7 [1.5.0.6] USE="ipv6 -debug -gnome -java -mozdevelop -xinerama -xprint" LINGUAS="-ar -bg% -ca -cs -da -de -el -en_GB -es -es_AR -es_ES -eu% -fi -fr -ga -ga_IE -gu_IN% -he -hu -it -ja -ko -lt% -mk -nb -nb_NO -nl -pa_IN% -pl -pt_BR -ro -ru -sk -sl -sv -sv_SE -tr -zh_CN -zh_TW" 34,744 kB
[ebuild     U ]   dev-libs/nss-3.11.3 [3.11.2] 3,598 kB
[ebuild     U ]    dev-libs/nspr-4.6.3 [4.6.2] USE="ipv6" 1,271 kB
[ebuild     U ]   app-arch/zip-2.32 [2.31-r1] USE="crypt" 788 kB
[nomerge      ] kde-base/kuser-3.5.3  USE="arts -debug -kdeenablefinal -kdehiddenvisibility -xinerama"
[ebuild     U ]  kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.4-r2 [3.5.4-r1] USE="acl alsa arts cups fam* spell ssl -debug -doc -jpeg2k -kdeenablefinal -kdehiddenvisibility -kerberos -legacyssl -lua% -noutempter -openexr -tiff -xinerama -zeroconf" 15,123 kB
[ebuild     U ]  x11-libs/qt-3.3.6-r2 [3.3.6-r1] USE="cups gif ipv6 mysql opengl -debug -doc -examples -firebird -immqt -immqt-bc -nas -nis -odbc -postgres -sqlite -xinerama" 14,224 kB
[nomerge      ] virtual/ghostscript-0
[nomerge      ]  app-text/ghostscript-esp-8.15.2_p20060520  USE="X cups gtk -cjk -emacs -threads -xml"
[nomerge      ]   net-print/cups-1.2.3  USE="X jpeg nls pam php png ssl -dbus -ppds -samba -slp -tiff"
[ebuild     U ]    x11-misc/xdg-utils-1.0_beta4 [1.0_beta3] 272 kB
[nomerge      ] x11-terms/xterm-220  USE="truetype unicode -Xaw3d -paste64 -toolbar"
[nomerge      ]  sys-libs/libutempter-1.1.4.1
[nomerge      ]   app-arch/rpm2targz-9.0-r5
[nomerge      ]    sys-apps/util-linux-2.12r-r4  USE="crypt nls perl -old-crypt (-selinux) -static"
[ebuild     U ]     media-libs/mesa-6.5.1-r1 [6.5-r4] USE="nptl -debug -doc -hardened -motif*" VIDEO_CARDS="-i810 -mach64 -mga -none -r128 -radeon -s3virge -savage -sis (-sunffb) -tdfx -trident -via" 0 kB
[ebuild     U ]     x11-proto/glproto-1.4.8 [1.4.7] USE="-debug" 52 kB
[nomerge      ] media-fonts/font-alias-1.0.1  USE="-debug"
[ebuild     U ]     app-admin/eselect-opengl-1.0.4 [1.0.3] 41 kB
[ebuild     U ]      app-admin/eselect-1.0.5 [1.0.2] USE="bash-completion -doc" 146 kB
[nomerge      ]    x11-libs/cairo-1.2.4  USE="X png -directfb -doc -glitz -pdf -svg"
[nomerge      ]     virtual/xft-7.0
[nomerge      ]      x11-libs/libXft-2.1.10  USE="-debug"
[ebuild     U ]       media-libs/fontconfig-2.4.1 [2.3.2-r1] USE="xml%* -doc" 1,241 kB
[nomerge      ]   dev-libs/glib-2.10.3  USE="-debug -doc -hardened"
[nomerge      ]    sys-libs/glibc-2.4-r3  USE="nls nptl nptlonly -build -glibc-omitfp -hardened (-multilib) -profile (-selinux)"
[ebuild     U ]     sys-libs/timezone-data-2006l [2006k] 153 kB
[ebuild     U ] dev-perl/DBD-mysql-3.0007 [3.0006] 113 kB

Q-collective · Post by **Q-collective** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:44 am

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equery d kdesktop

dylan_stark · Post by **dylan_stark** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:18 am

None.

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ghost ~ # equery d kdesktop
[ Searching for packages depending on kdesktop... ]
ghost ~ #

dleverton · Post by **dleverton** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 3:44 pm

The brute-force method: add

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kde-base/kdesktop

to /etc/portage/package.mask (create it and the /etc/portage directory if either doesn't exist) and rerun emerge. It'll complain that kdesktop is masked, but also tell you why it wanted to install it in the first place.

dylan_stark · Post by **dylan_stark** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 5:30 pm

Good thinking.
Kdesktop is needed by KDM

uf..
NVM, I'll install konqueror and kfind and than unmerge them after system upgrade...

CorpseOfMystic · Post by **CorpseOfMystic** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 7:11 pm

While you are at it, you may want to document this experience in a bug report to the ebuild maintainer. KDM has no actual dependency on kdesktop, so you shouldn't be forced to install it just for KDM.

Carlo · Post by **Carlo** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 7:20 pm

dylan_stark wrote:Kdesktop is needed by KDM

Yes, flipped this by request. Don't tell me, you're the user who uses KDM, but does not want KDesktop...

gnac · Post by **gnac** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 12:35 am

I don't know about the original poster, but I've been using KDM (and not kdesktop) for quite a while because xfce doesn't login manager of its own. I also use a number of kde apps (k3b, kate ...) so I figured if I had to have extra libraries I'd stick with kde, but not the desktop.

Looks like I'll have to switch to gdm and eat its libraries too ... bleach

Can I unrequest the switch? Or maybe they (kdm and kdesktop) shouldn't be dependent on each other in either direction.

mikegpitt · Post by **mikegpitt** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 6:20 pm

gnac wrote:I don't know about the original poster, but I've been using KDM (and not kdesktop) for quite a while because xfce doesn't login manager of its own. I also use a number of kde apps (k3b, kate ...) so I figured if I had to have extra libraries I'd stick with kde, but not the desktop.

Looks like I'll have to switch to gdm and eat its libraries too ... bleach

Can I unrequest the switch? Or maybe they (kdm and kdesktop) shouldn't be dependent on each other in either direction.

Why do you need to switch to gdm again? KDM dependant on kdesktop is an upstream dependancy, so your only hope it to bug the kde guys, but something tells me that they depend on each other for a good reason.

If you don't want any extra libs I would recommend xdm. I have used it for a while, and with a little tweaking it can look pretty awesome.

purplerhino · Post by **purplerhino** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:46 pm

Yes, flipped this by request. Don't tell me, you're the user who uses KDM, but does not want KDesktop...

yeah, i'm that user too... I use kdm to log in both of my MythTV computers, though the wm is EvilWM. I figured MythTV was qt so I was stuck with installing qt like it or not, might as well use kdm. but this is just too much extra crap now.

If you don't want any extra libs I would recommend xdm. I have used it for a while, and with a little tweaking it can look pretty awesome.

the problem with that is xdm doesn't support auto login. there's some hack alternatives to auto login a session, but then if the frontend crashes and I need to relogin, which happens often enough, I can't get a X-login back (and running on a tv with a pvr 350 output, i have no display if not in X). I guess I'll switch to gdm, it's slightly less bloated.

vorgas · Post by **vorgas** » Tue Nov 21, 2006 5:48 am

You can always use the Quingy login manager. It actually runs on the framebuffer. Looks quite good. Doesn't require a bunch of upstream dependencies. There's a how-to on the wiki.
http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Qingy

purplerhino · Post by **purplerhino** » Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:07 pm

"without the overhead of running the X Window System." I don't think this will work on my main MythTV, the only way you can see anything at all on the tv through X and the ivtvdev driver. Thanks for the tip though, I never heard of Quingy so it's still good to know it's there. gdm is working out ok, my gf was happy with the little flower that is the default theme in gdm haha.

thanks

purplerhino · Post by **purplerhino** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 10:24 pm

bah, now gdm-2.16.4 wants to install and it's dragging a bunch of annoying gnome libs now. so for all those annoyed like I am, put >=gdm-2.16.0 in your /etc/portage/package.mask