core 2 duo conroe E6600

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slackeast · Post by **slackeast** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 1:12 am

I'm currently building a new pc that will use the new intel core 2 duo processor.

is it reasonable to expect to get gentoo working on the machine once I get the computer up? I was thinking there might be issues because its a new processor. I also noticed that there is separate downloads for amd64 architecture, does gentoo expect to do the same for intel 64 bit?

thanks.

ercxy · Post by **ercxy** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 4:04 am

slackeast wrote:I'm currently building a new pc that will use the new intel core 2 duo processor.
is it reasonable to expect to get gentoo working on the machine once I get the computer up? I was thinking there might be issues because its a new processor. I also noticed that there is separate downloads for amd64 architecture, does gentoo expect to do the same for intel 64 bit?
thanks.

I don't think the new cpu will be a problem. You may not get specific optimizations right away but i686 should work. However the new cpu will come with new chipset, so you might have problems with your motherboard.
core2 duo will have EMT64 instructions so amd64/emt64 are AFAIK same thing, different names due to different brands.

ercxy · Post by **ercxy** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 5:38 am

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=a ... =512&num=1

Unfortunately, we do not have our Intel Core 2 Duo Conroe Linux numbers to share for this midnight primer, but we intend to have up some performance numbers in the very near future. When it comes to the GNU/Linux compatibility with these new Core 2 Duo components, there really should not be anything out of the ordinary. The NVIDIA nForce 500 AMD series run fine with the needed open-source modules under Linux on recent kernels, and the NVIDIA nForce 500 Intel Chipsets should offer the same compatibility. More on the compatibility information will come once we have completed all of our testing.

So there should be no problem.

slackeast · Post by **slackeast** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:33 pm

so when downloading an architechure tar.gz file, i should grab the amd64 not the x86? the amd64 should work for EM64T.

thanks.

kernelOfTruth · Post by **kernelOfTruth** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 12:05 pm

Hi there,

in about one week I'll get my new Conroe-based system. I've some questions concerning kernel + gcc-optimizations:

CFLAGS:
is -march=nocona OK when running gentoo in 32bit-version?

which setting should I choose when installing a 64bit-gentoo?
also -march=nocona ?!

KERNEL:
will the ENHANCED SPEEDSTEP functionality be supported just by running >=2.6.18 and enabling
[*]Enhanced Speedstep and
[*]Use ACPI tables to decode valid frequency/voltage pairs ?

or will I have to wait until some patches appear on the horizon?

=> is there a chance that the CPU will be damaged when running it on a kernel without specific patches for it ? (<== this question is very important to me since I haven't got that much money and can't afford to buy another if the cpu is fried ...)

Thanks in Advance

brot · Post by **brot** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 3:05 pm

Some people at the Xtremesystems Forums are runing these under debian/knoppix already and they say that the core duo 2 is really a beast

Pogue Mahone · Post by **Pogue Mahone** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 3:07 pm

Hello all

I just got my new system today. Core 2 duo E6600 and an Asus P5B motherboard.

I am still struggling to find out:

- what safe flags to use

- which processer architecture to download install files for (x86 or AMD64)

- which stage tarballs would be the best in my situation

- any other applicable info (like if there are features in certain kernels that supports conroe better etc.)

Thx in advance. I'll post my finding once I get it up and running. Don't expect too much tho - I'm no expert

.

brot · Post by **brot** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 3:32 pm

As the core duo2 supports 64bit you have to use amd64 stages. I would use stage 3 as the other stages are unsupported since 2005.

A really good question is what -march setting you have to use. maybe someone here knows it already, but i am not sure if "nocona" is the right arch.

pieman · Post by **pieman** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 8:37 pm

You don't need to use the 64bit though. You can still use X86 if you want. You can use either 64 or 32bit.

But the processor its self should work no matter what, just like stated above, you may run into trouble with the chipset for somethings.

Paapaa · Post by **Paapaa** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 11:59 am

Now that we start to see people installing Gentoo on their Core 2 Duo machines it would be nice to have a definite FAQ about how to install a 64-bit system.

1. What CFLAGS to use? Especially is -march=nocona the correct one?
2. What CHOST to use? Is "x86_64-pc-linux-gnu" the one?
3. Which stage3 tarball is the correct? i686 or AMD64? If AMD64, then the stage and keywords should be immediately renamed as they don't reflect the reality.

PS. This might belong to "Installing Gentoo" so please move it if this is the case.

fangorn · Post by **fangorn** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 12:42 pm

to 3.
actually the name is reflecting reality as Intel copied a design from AMD and gave it a new name to cover up its shame

Paapaa · Post by **Paapaa** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 12:46 pm

Please, let's not make this a fanboy thread. Copying has been done so many times (by both sides) that this shouldn't make any difference. Gentoo shouldn't favor AMD over Intel or Intel over AMD and this is why I asked. Especially:

4. Is there anything AMD specific in AMD64 stage3 or does is also work with EM64T?
5. Is there anything AMD specific in the keyword amd64 or do the packages also work with EM64T?

fangorn · Post by **fangorn** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 1:44 pm

maybe I should attach <cynism> </cynism> tags next time

AFAIK besides the processor type in kernel there are no architecture specific settings in the arch. But I am not a developer and have never tested it on an Intel as I have not bought a machine in the last half a year.

Archangel1 · Post by **Archangel1** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 9:22 pm

Paapaa wrote:Please, let's not make this a fanboy thread. Copying has been done so many times (by both sides) that this shouldn't make any difference. Gentoo shouldn't favor AMD over Intel or Intel over AMD and this is why I asked. Especially:

4. Is there anything AMD specific in AMD64 stage3 or does is also work with EM64T?
5. Is there anything AMD specific in the keyword amd64 or do the packages also work with EM64T?

No, I believe AMD64 and EM64T are compatible. So you should be using amd64 stages on a 64-bit Core 2.

As far as I know the name 'amd64' was chosen because AMD brought out a 64-bit superset of x86, and at the time there weren't any Intel chips using it. It had to be called something, and amd64 is less awkward to type than x86_64

PaveQ · Post by **PaveQ** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 12:39 am

Archangel1 wrote:
Paapaa wrote:Please, let's not make this a fanboy thread. Copying has been done so many times (by both sides) that this shouldn't make any difference. Gentoo shouldn't favor AMD over Intel or Intel over AMD and this is why I asked. Especially:

4. Is there anything AMD specific in AMD64 stage3 or does is also work with EM64T?
5. Is there anything AMD specific in the keyword amd64 or do the packages also work with EM64T?
No, I believe AMD64 and EM64T are compatible. So you should be using amd64 stages on a 64-bit Core 2.

As far as I know the name 'amd64' was chosen because AMD brought out a 64-bit superset of x86, and at the time there weren't any Intel chips using it. It had to be called something, and amd64 is less awkward to type than x86_64

As far as I remember amd64 and EM64T are not fully compatible, there's few instructions that differ. But gentoo's stages should work with both. But if you then change generic 64 cflag to opteron64 example, then it won't work with EM64T.

EDIT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EM64T#Diff ... _and_EM64T

That's what you'r looking for. Cflag -march=nocona is for EM64T, and -march=athlon64 for AMD64.

Genone · Post by **Genone** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 12:44 am

Paapaa wrote:2. What CHOST to use? Is "x86_64-pc-linux-gnu" the one?

For a 64 bit system, yes. For a 32 bit system it would be i686-pc-linux-gnu

3. Which stage3 tarball is the correct? i686 or AMD64?

See above.

If AMD64, then the stage and keywords should be immediately renamed as they don't reflect the reality.

They won't be renamed. There is no benefit in doing that, but it would cause an enormous amount of trouble.

tkdfighter · Post by **tkdfighter** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 6:06 pm

AMD64 and EM64T are compatible with each other. The only reason why you should use -march=nocona on a Core 2 is because -march=[k8,opteron,amd64,...] sets the 3Dnow! Cflag, which Intel does not support. See the GCC i386 and x86_64 options manual for more details.
I also hope for all you Core 2 owners that the GCC devs will make a Core2 option, because Nocona is a Pentium 4, which is based on the Netburst architecture.

nonotme · Post by **nonotme** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 7:01 pm

tkdfighter wrote:AMD64 and EM64T are compatible with each other. The only reason why you should use -march=nocona on a Core 2 is because -march=[k8,opteron,amd64,...] sets the 3Dnow! Cflag, which Intel does not support. See the GCC i386 and x86_64 options manual for more details.
I also hope for all you Core 2 owners that the GCC devs will make a Core2 option, because Nocona is a Pentium 4, which is based on the Netburst architecture.

I'm considering a Pentium D 805, which supports EM64T. If the 3Dnow! extensions are the only difference, would it be possible to set "-march=athlon64 -mno-3dnow"? And if so, is it worth doing? Or am I completely off base here?

agent_jdh · Post by **agent_jdh** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:44 pm

nonotme wrote:I'm considering a Pentium D 805, which supports EM64T. If the 3Dnow! extensions are the only difference, would it be possible to set "-march=athlon64 -mno-3dnow"? And if so, is it worth doing? Or am I completely off base here?

Is the Pentium D not a Nocona core? Why not just use that instead of athlon64?

Anyways, Core 2 Duo is where it's at now, save up your pennies and get one of them!

Monkeh · Post by **Monkeh** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:47 pm

nonotme wrote:
tkdfighter wrote:AMD64 and EM64T are compatible with each other. The only reason why you should use -march=nocona on a Core 2 is because -march=[k8,opteron,amd64,...] sets the 3Dnow! Cflag, which Intel does not support. See the GCC i386 and x86_64 options manual for more details.
I also hope for all you Core 2 owners that the GCC devs will make a Core2 option, because Nocona is a Pentium 4, which is based on the Netburst architecture.
I'm considering a Pentium D 805, which supports EM64T. If the 3Dnow! extensions are the only difference, would it be possible to set "-march=athlon64 -mno-3dnow"? And if so, is it worth doing? Or am I completely off base here?

Why would you want to? Pentium D's use nocona.

nonotme · Post by **nonotme** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 2:40 am

Monkeh wrote:Why would you want to? Pentium D's use nocona.

Okay. I had been reading alot of posts about it, which just left me rather confused.

Thanks for the info.

Naib · Post by **Naib** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 2:57 pm

I am planning a major system upgrade towards the end of the year and I am looking into the Core2 CPU as well as the northbridge being intel's 975X or P965 chipsets

does the present liveCD (I guess 2006.1) kernel support these (mainly the southbridge chips)
ie would I be able to boot and start the install?

FcukThisGame · Post by **FcukThisGame** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 3:21 pm

By the end of the year I'm almost positive that the core2/chipsets will be seamless... There are people in these forums with core 2's that are working fine...

Naib · Post by **Naib** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 3:48 pm

Sweet!! my concern really isn't with the actual Core2 CPU (that I beleive is supported) but more with the "glue-chips" it needs ie the northbridge and such which are comming out on Core2 mobo's

As long as there is some method to install I will get it installed, even it if means using a Ubuntu liveCD (to do hte Gentoo install) if they have a new release by the time I decide to upgrade

nixnut · Post by **nixnut** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 4:08 pm

Merged two threads from Gentoo Chat here.

core 2 duo conroe E6600

core 2 duo conroe E6600

Re: core 2 duo conroe E6600

New conroe system - safe flags and processor architecture

Core 2 Duo, Gentoo and 64-bit?

Re: Core 2 Duo, Gentoo and 64-bit?

Gentoo liveCD Core2 support?