2006.0 x86 live CD - no GRP ?

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cousin · Post by **cousin** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 3:55 am

Where do the GRP packages live in the 2006.0 x86 live CD ?
I'm using the manual way to install because the installer gave me problems. It appears that the only way to install these is through the installer (either gtk or dialog) and I fear these packages exist scattered through the various files in the live cd. I managed to get to the chroot stage and do the first "emerge --sync" on a ppp connection. Now I'm downloading the 2.6.16 kernel. I would like to have a working Gnome environment before I begin to compile the remaining stuff.

cyblord · Post by **cyblord** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 4:10 am

it is important that you follow the handbook and finish compiling your kernel and set up your boot options first before considering a graphical manager.

GNUtoo · Post by **GNUtoo** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 4:23 am

personaly i want to switch to binary package because my computer is old...and i do not want to wait in order to emerge the packages
so i ask the same question

by the way if you want a graphical environement use the gentoo livecd(gnome)(not the install cd) in order to install gentoo or use knoppix(kde) or other graphical livecd
i don't advise people to use knoppix for installig gentoo(too complicated),you should rather use the gentoo livecd

cousin · Post by **cousin** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 4:24 am

Yes, I know that. But I don't see any hints in the handbook on how to install the GRP packages that I don't see in the 2006.0 live cd as they were with 2005.1. When I browsed through the installer's dialog menu, there were options that signalled some packages as being GRP and a warning that said that I had to stick with them in a networkless install (which is attractive nonetheless 'cause I have a PPP connection here). I don't wanna lose time downloading and then compiling the whole X environment though I wouldn't mind to do it with a working X environment and doing this stuff in the background.

GNUtoo · Post by **GNUtoo** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 4:27 am

cousin wrote:Yes, I know that. But I don't see any hints in the handbook on how to install the GRP packages that I don't see in the 2006.0 live cd as they were with 2005.1. When I browsed through the installer's dialog menu, there were options that signalled some packages as being GRP and a warning that said that I had to stick with them in a networkless install (which is attractive nonetheless 'cause I have a PPP connection here). I don't wanna lose time downloading and then compiling the whole X environment though I wouldn't mind to do it with a working X environment and doing this stuff in the background.

i realy don't know where they are:
*they aren't in the installcd
*they aren't any others cd than the livecd in the mirrors
so...i wonder where they are and if there are sitill there
others architectures that x86 still have them...

and i realy like to use them!!!

GNUtoo · Post by **GNUtoo** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 4:30 am

http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/where.xml
http://gentoo.osuosl.org/releases/x86/2006.0/livecd/

cousin · Post by **cousin** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 4:52 am

new_to_non_X86: Sorry, I didn't see post #2 when I posted #3.

The 2005.1 release was 2 cd's: one universal install CD and a packages CD. I'm already trying with 2006.0 i686 live CD, the one in the link you posted.

GNUtoo · Post by **GNUtoo** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 5:31 am

i think that there is nothing inside

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# ls
Getting_Online.txt  README.txt  docs  image.squashfs  isolinux  livecd  snapshots

cousin · Post by **cousin** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 5:58 am

i think that there is nothing inside

Yeah, it may be... But image.squashfs has a complete filesystem inside, just as an ISO does. They are referenced in the installer, and the 2006.0 handbook:

Quoting http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/2 ... xml?full=1 (emphasis mine):

Is GRP Available?

Not all architectures provide GRP packages. That doesn't mean GRP isn't supported on the other architectures, but it means that we don't have the resources to build and test the GRP packages.

At present we provide GRP packages for the following architectures:

* The amd64 architecture (amd64)
* The ppc architecture (ppc32, ppc64)
* The sparc architecture (sparc64)
* The x86 architecture (athlon, athlon-xp, athlon-mp, pentium-pro, pentium2, pentium3, pentium4 and pentium-m) Note: The packages are for i686 and are available on the Installer LiveCD.

idella4 · Post by **idella4** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 8:12 am

You may have found a gap in gentoo supplies. I've been lookung for a few days to find
a repository of binaries. Looking on a number of mirror sites, the grp folders are empty
and / or have dates like 18 months ago.

If you've got the livecd(gnome) consider yourself lucky ir runs, if it runs. I've tried it from
2 sources and on both it loses the grip on the screen display at the last moment.
If it runs, can you not find them in the live CD directory structure and copy them to the hard drive?
I'm using the usual full compile install after finally getting past some glitches mainly from not being able to source any binary packages for x86. I suppose it amounts to an enormous job to prepare and publish pre-compiled binaries for everything
and keeping up to date with the constant stream of updates.

cousin · Post by **cousin** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 8:56 am

idella4 wrote:If you've got the livecd(gnome) consider yourself lucky ir runs, if it runs. I've tried it from
2 sources and on both it loses the grip on the screen display at the last moment.

It may be the X resolution not matching your hardware. It happened to me. Try lowering it with Ctrl + Alt + '-' or go to the terminal with Ctrl + Alt + F2, shutdown X and then setup a working xorg.conf, or you may simply ignore X booting the CD with "gentoo nox".

If it runs, can you not find them in the live CD directory structure and copy them to the hard drive?

I can't. My bet is that all files that comprise these packages are scattered throughout the filesystem.

GNUtoo · Post by **GNUtoo** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 12:48 pm

how do i install grp packages from an already done installation?

cousin · Post by **cousin** » Fri Jun 16, 2006 3:03 am

new_to_non_X86 wrote:how do i install grp packages from an already done installation?

See the 2005.1 handbook:
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/2 ... #doc_chap2

In short:

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export PKGDIR="/mnt/cdrom/packages"
emerge --usepkg gnome

Nobody knows how 2006.0 install packages at all ?
I'm gonna install the 2005.1 packages. I guess I won't try Linux again and stick with BSD.

GNUtoo · Post by **GNUtoo** » Fri Jun 16, 2006 5:26 am

so beeing 2006.0 i have to go for the 2005 packages
too bad...

chunderbunny · Post by **chunderbunny** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 12:26 pm

Basically, there are no GRP packages for 2006.0. The releng guys were confident that the liveCD installer would take care of the need for binary packages, but there are many bugs in the installer which prevent this happening. The liveCD doesn't even come with a stage tarball or a copy of the handbook!

Hopefully the releng guys have learned their lesson and 2006.1 will come with a proper liveCD (with stage tarball!) in addition to a proper package CD as well as the minimal CD.