2006.0 x86 livecd - How well does it work for you?

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ali3nx · Post by **ali3nx** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 10:48 am

Well i must admit overall it's turning out to definitely great to have a livecd with gnome or kde and a working installer available when crunch time and i'm currently testing it running a GRP dynamic install on my semi retired 1900 athlon-xp. Being a longtime user of lxnay's RR4 livecd and livedvd's it's good to see gentoo is finally supporting full size install media as an option

Gentoo forums definitely made RR4 a success and i'm sure many are appreciative to see how well things have turned out with RR4 rising into the distrowatch top 30 list. Strong support is an advantage and gentoo's livecd projects should deserve no different. In all of about four hours or less i downloaded the livecd and tested it hoping to be rewarded with a gdm login screen however on my athlon-xp with an agp 8x fx5200 nvidia the card is detected, glx auto switches to nvidia glx but xorg.conf still tries to use the vesa driver. Unless i specified nox and manually edited xorg.conf, changed the driver from vesa to nv and removed the detected horizsync and vsync xdm would just black screen on my pc. Perhaps some other folks could relay thier experiences with the new livecd. How well does it work for you?

smurfd · Post by **smurfd** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 4:45 pm

hopefully it will work allright.
im thinking of doing a re-install, repartitioning is needed. ive awaited this to do so.
(so i DO know that i dont Need to re-install just to get uptodate

)
but, you say you do a grp install. there's no package cd for x86, do you use the old package cd from 2005.1? im confused, this would mean that you get quite alot of older packages... or?
well unless you still emerge all the stuff from source later.

linuxgoober · Post by **linuxgoober** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 5:33 am

I installed Gentoo 2006.0 from the live cd and was, for the most part, very impressed.

It worked. Started it before school and had it finished later that evening on my 1350 Athlon. (It was completely done on my second desktop with xfce.) My main gripes were that I think it should have xfce (I use KDE, but I think it would be nice on a live cd because it would be faster) and that it does not have the control the normal install would, and that you did not learn as much.

The HUGE + is that you can have it installed quickly without touching anything and it is excellent for newbies(geek wannabes) like me.

In conclusion I would say Linux is all about choices. Do what you want, and yes, I would reccomend it.

bjacobt · Post by **bjacobt** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:27 am

Gentoo is going down. I spent two days trying to install the new 2006.0 gentoo on my computer, and I still cannot do it.

What happend to the regular console install like the previous versions.

I normally do a stage 1 install and get it done in like 4 -5 hours without X, and now it took me over 48 hours and I am starting over again.

The live installed is very SLOW, and boots into GUI, I DONT WANT GUI, and the new way to do a STAGE 1 does not work either, after like 10 hours of emerge -e system, i get an error, and when I started over again, it starts from the very begining.

Jacob.

chrismortimore · Post by **chrismortimore** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:30 am

Did you try Alt+Fx?

bjacobt · Post by **bjacobt** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:35 am

yeah i did that, did not like it, anyways i decided to download the minimal CD, I mean I don't want GUI on my computer, I have an old pentium 3 866 MHz, 512 MB PC 133 MB RAM, don't want to run gnome on that

and now I am going to start with a STAGE 3 and then do a emerge -e system.

Hope fully this won't be a waste of time. I spent most of my weekend trying to do this. If this does not work I am going to fedora..

But which genius came with the idea of doing stage 3 as standard.
IDIOTS...

I'm really pissed off, not to have a gentoo system after 2 days of hard work (work and WAITING).

I normally tell people how good gentoo was how fast it was, etc. But his is horrible.

mdeininger · Post by **mdeininger** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:44 am

a) what's the deal with a stage 3 install? it's not like thaaaat much of a difference if you do stage3 then emerge -e system... actually, there's no difference to speak of, except that you can reboot into your box earlier.

b) stop the whining. if you really want console-mode install, either get the minimal disc right away or use a 2005.x universal disc. again, there won't be any real difference after you sync'd and "emerge -e system"'d, so what's the matter?

c) there's people who really don't like console level install/can't do 'em. I'm not one of them, but I understand the problem, so I think it's a good idea.

Now, stop the whining unless you start knowing what you're talking about.

bjacobt · Post by **bjacobt** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:50 am

>> Now, stop the whining unless you start knowing what you're talking about.

I know what I am talking about, and emerge -e system does not work for some reason, and keeps doing it from the begining all the time which is a total waste of my time.

Intitially I made the mistake of going the GUI route with was a VERY BIG MISTAKE.

And the reason why I'm whining, I used to LIKE Gentoo because it was simple, fast and responsive. NOW its just STUPID SLOW stuff that does not work.

mdeininger · Post by **mdeininger** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 8:00 am

okay, so, apparently something is wrong with your emerge -e system... then why don't you just post the error message? if it fails to emerge something, and then you make it retry... how's that gonna work? same input -- same output, right?

the only reason i told you to stop whining was because this is a support forum and you started your post as a flame. nobody will be able to help you if you only complain and don't provide input. if you want to start a flamewar about the new installer, try OTW.

bjacobt · Post by **bjacobt** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 8:11 am

I'm just angry my computer is not working, I have installed gentoo on a lot of machines before.

I followed the same procedures here, but it does not work. And instead of having a nice concise documentation listing the changes from the pervious version, they have the same handbook with the changes hidden in between the long paragraphs.
That does not help me, since I do most of the install with out looking at it.

Anyways Now I'm reading that long handbook again and doing it like they said to do it. Hopefully it will work.

I just hate the new way, do stage 3 and then emerge, and the emerge is taking way too long that before.

And yes I started the post as a flame war, but now I feel bad for calling people stupid for all their hard work.

anyways, nice chatting with you
Jacob.

mdeininger · Post by **mdeininger** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 8:18 am

heh, aight then.

we've all been angry at our boxes and/or OS before, I think I can relate to that

Good Luck with your install then,
Magnus

bjacobt · Post by **bjacobt** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 8:22 am

seems my install is going good this time, but I am only doing a stage 3 now, don't have time to go all the way with bootstrap.

I'm downloading the kernel sources now, lets see how compiling that goes.....

hopefully it will be good,

anyways, thanks for helping and above all keeping in company at this time.

Jacob.

drwook · Post by **drwook** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 8:23 am

stage 1 tarball is still available, it's just not a supported installation method...

Personally I think from what I've heard that the gui installer shouldn't be the standard installation method until it's able to work in 99% of all cases, and it doesn't appear this is the case. But then, the version is 0.3 or 0.4 or something... Perhaps they should have waited for a solid 1.0 release before making it the default.

That said it's gonna get a lot more testing this way

NTT · Post by **NTT** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 8:30 am

mdeininger wrote:c) there's people who really don't like console level install/can't do 'em. I'm not one of them, but I understand the problem, so I think it's a good idea.

These these people exsist indeed, but they are not, and should not be, the target audience for a Gentoo system. People who get afraid of seeing a CLI window, should not be encouraged to try to compile and build their own setup together the Gentoo way. People who want to make Gentoo easy to install by the average "Windows granny who can read their email" types of person, have, in my opinion, lost all touch of reality. There are other distributions trying to target that audience.
The people you ARE targetting with Gentoo are, to say the least, not impressed by seeing a graphical thingy for setting up their system.
IF you really are trying to pull in "noobs", people with no hardware/OS/understanding of workings of OS skills whatsoever into Gentoo, expect the forums soon to be flooded with the most trivial questions, over and over again, without using the search functions, or looking at Wiki's. Most of the really "leet" Gentoo users lurking on this form will be scared away, and the community will drown and die.

My 2cents of gasoline.

olger901 · Post by **olger901** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 8:43 am

NTT wrote:
mdeininger wrote:c) there's people who really don't like console level install/can't do 'em. I'm not one of them, but I understand the problem, so I think it's a good idea.
These these people exsist indeed, but they are not, and should not be, the target audience for a Gentoo system. People who get afraid of seeing a CLI window, should not be encouraged to try to compile and build their own setup together the Gentoo way. People who want to make Gentoo easy to install by the average "Windows granny who can read their email" types of person, have, in my opinion, lost all touch of reality. There are other distributions trying to target that audience.
The people you ARE targetting with Gentoo are, to say the least, not impressed by seeing a graphical thingy for setting up their system.
IF you really are trying to pull in "noobs", people with no hardware/OS/understanding of workings of OS skills whatsoever into Gentoo, expect the forums soon to be flooded with the most trivial questions, over and over again, without using the search functions, or looking at Wiki's. Most of the really "leet" Gentoo users lurking on this form will be scared away, and the community will drown and die.

My 2cents of gasoline.

I ditto that
The first time I installed gentoo (the 1.4 release) I didn't have much knowledge of linux/hardware either and ofcourse the first install (stage 3 at that time) went wrong (I installed it in VMWare so that it couldn't kill my system). It took me like 3 installs before I got it decently working. After a while I decided to do an install on my own machine, which I did and decided well if I am gonna try might take a stage1 aswell, and trust me I really enjoyed the speed of gentoo compared to the slow and sluggish Fedora Core and SuSE.

With this I just wanna say you can be yet such a noob but if you truely wanna learn linux, the gentoo console installation is the true way to learn it and if you don't care to learn to get to know the linux console. Don't use gentoo and choose another distribution it's as simple as that.

Naib · Post by **Naib** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:14 am

what programs are available on the LiveCD GUI?

pony-tail · Post by **pony-tail** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:21 am

These these people exsist indeed, but they are not, and should not be, the target audience for a Gentoo system.

I am one of those people who do not like the cli install - I have done 1 and 1 only stage one install (about a year ago) the system stayed
stable and error free for a year until I screwed it up a week ago . I then nuked the hosed system and did the graphical install it screwed up
while emerging KDE . So I installed again minus KDE no problems system back online , emerged kde and some apps all good .
The machine is a PIII 800 on a Aopen MX3s board with a TNT vid .definately not fast but it got there.
The new installer has a few bugs but as they get found and sorted it will improve . I would not have put Gentoo back on if they had not gone
with the graphic installer as the old way just takes too long and I do not have that amount of time - It will ,I hope get more people using Gentoo
as I believe it is a great distro , and the more people using it the better !

NTT · Post by **NTT** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:24 am

pony-tail wrote:I would not have put Gentoo back on if they had not gone
with the graphic installer as the old way just takes too long and I do not have that amount of time - ...

Why dont you install a binary distribution, like Debian then? ap-get has all the advantages of portage, has a looot of packages ready to install, and is precompiled binary, so packages install in seconds rather than minutes or even hours.

col · Post by **col** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:54 am

Was no problem but X would not start with my old config...I had to create a new xorg.conf from scratch using X --configure

mdeininger · Post by **mdeininger** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:58 am

NTT wrote:
pony-tail wrote:I would not have put Gentoo back on if they had not gone
with the graphic installer as the old way just takes too long and I do not have that amount of time - ...
Why dont you install a binary distribution, like Debian then? ap-get has all the advantages of portage, has a looot of packages ready to install, and is precompiled binary, so packages install in seconds rather than minutes or even hours.

well, I'd personally recommend Ubuntu to this type of audience... maybe Kubuntu even...

look, I can see why one would say that newbs should keep their hands off Gentoo, but offering a GUI-Installer hardly seems much of a bad idea; the thing is that I agree it shouldn't be the default one. I'd prefer the default one to be the good old trusty CLI one and the GUI should be an option, but I admittedly haven't even tried that new installer yet -- I only use the minimal CDs and fetch a current stage3 tbz2 off the net... actually, my minimal CD is from 2004 if I recall correctly, I just fetch the latest stage3 and that's that.
Still I assume this is just me: others are less comfortable with the console. Others DO actually like GNOME and KDE, while I prefer e17 and blackbox. Others really could benefit from a graphical installer (whether or not they should stick to some other distro isn't quite much of an option if you go tell them oh how great gentoo is, does it?)

pony-tail · Post by **pony-tail** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 12:09 pm

I do use Debian on my main machine .
But as the original developer said "Gentoo is about choices"
The graphic install , is quick (compared to cli install) and gets a working ,customizable
distro up and running , with few dramas .
This means I can use the system while I piece by piece build it to what I want.
as for ubuntu or kubuntu I have tried both - not for me
Once up and running Gentoo is as easy to maintain as Debian and a little quicker
I do not mind dropping to the comand line occasionally but I do not wish to live there
The gui is there for a reason - enough people want it for it to be worthwile developing.
When I started using computers the CLI was the only option i had available.(ProDos)
and an apple IIe was "fast" .That is a place to which I have no wish to return.

Jaglover · Post by **Jaglover** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 12:51 pm

pony-tail wrote:
These these people exsist indeed, but they are not, and should not be, the target audience for a Gentoo system.
I am one of those people who do not like the cli install - I have done 1 and 1 only stage one install (about a year ago) the system stayed
stable and error free for a year until I screwed it up a week ago . I then nuked the hosed system and did the graphical install it screwed up
while emerging KDE . So I installed again minus KDE no problems system back online , emerged kde and some apps all good .
The machine is a PIII 800 on a Aopen MX3s board with a TNT vid .definately not fast but it got there.
The new installer has a few bugs but as they get found and sorted it will improve . I would not have put Gentoo back on if they had not gone
with the graphic installer as the old way just takes too long and I do not have that amount of time - It will ,I hope get more people using Gentoo
as I believe it is a great distro , and the more people using it the better !

You believe it is a great distro ... but you do not know it for sure? I can understand that. If you do not do your customization and do not get your hands dirty with Gentoo internals - can you call yourself a Gentoo user? I do not own Gentoo and do not make rules - but isn't the development going in wrong direction? Why waste time on something what is not needed for everyday life? Or am I supposed to reinstall it every now and then? Is it time to move to LFS?

linuxgoober · Post by **linuxgoober** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 1:45 pm

Umm... Gentoo Live Installer, FIrefox, the normal Gnome environment.

I only used the cd to install. Sorry, hope I helped

nixnut · Post by **nixnut** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:17 pm

Merged above rant here.

dmartinsca · Post by **dmartinsca** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:44 pm

Dear Gentoo,

I just finished installing you using your liveCD, although i didn't use either of your installers. I had intended on trying out your GUI installer but just before I started I read about LVM and thought, i'd give that a try. At this early stage however, you don't include options to use LVM. So, I just opened up a terminal and installed you the regular way from there. It was nice to have a graphical web browser to skim through your beautiful handbooks and read the LVM how-tos while installing you. I know your live cd is in it's infancy but it would be nice to see samba and a media player included, just for some tunes while installing your sexy fast software

Love Dan

2006.0 x86 livecd - How well does it work for you?

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