64 bit architecture is a nightmare

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morfeus · Post by **morfeus** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:15 pm

is anyone happy using this arch

I can tell you Im not at all impressed, my machine has never functioned as crippled as with this arch

Monkeh · Post by **Monkeh** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:18 pm

I am. Athlon 64 3700+, 2GB of Corsair XMS, a 7800GT, and SATA II hard drives. Zero, I'll say again, ZERO, issues. It's flawless for me.

Telemin · Post by **Telemin** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:20 pm

Have you actually asked for some help on the forums with your problems? judging by your post count I doubt it, if you try asking you might get some results....

drwook · Post by **drwook** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:24 pm

Yeah, another happy amd64 user here... If you have a question just ask, there's almost certainly an answer.

morfeus · Post by **morfeus** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:35 pm

okay lets sum em up

my onboard network card - integrated realtek 850 on an asrock sata 2 - not supported

my onboard sound card - ac 97 unsupported

my belgian keyboard mapping - no belgian keymaps to be found

my cordless keyboard and mouse - refusing to be detected even though usb is working

slocate = not working

nvidiadriver unable to run nvidia=settings

my hp deskjet 3647 unsupported

Monkeh · Post by **Monkeh** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:38 pm

morfeus wrote:okay lets sum em up

my onboard network card - integrated realtek 850 on an asrock sata 2 - not supported

my onboard sound card - ac 97 unsupported

my belgian keyboard mapping - no belgian keymaps to be found

my cordless keyboard and mouse - refusing to be detected even though usb is working

slocate = not working

nvidiadriver unable to run nvidia=settings

my hp deskjet 3647 unsupported

NIC: It's actually a RTL8201CL, according to google. And it appears to work, however certain kernels cannot detect it. I don't know with what driver.

Sound card: intel8x0 should do it.

Keyboard/mouse: Unfortunate. Not everything will work. It does however depend on the type of USB port, the type of wireless system, what drivers you have, and the system's BIOS, in many cases.

slocate: And just what does it not do?

nvidia drivers: Work fine for me.

Printer: Do you honestly expect unpaid developers to go out and buy every single model of printer to test it and make it work?

morfeus · Post by **morfeus** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:42 pm

read properly

RTL8201CL is not a valid solution for this sound card on an asrock dual sata2. i know about that driver its not meant for the onboard version

intel8x0 does work for oss emulation but does not support the AC97 specs

slocate does nothing at all

nvidia drivers work but the settings dont

about the printer: if they cant do what you mentioned they should at least bugtrack it

Maedhros · Post by **Maedhros** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:42 pm

morfeus wrote:my belgian keyboard mapping - no belgian keymaps to be found

Then you're not looking hard enough.

morfeus wrote:my cordless keyboard and mouse - refusing to be detected even though usb is working

Well, there's nothing we can do to help without more information like for instance, dmesg and lsmod output...

morfeus wrote:slocate = not working

Have you run updatedb yet?

Monkeh · Post by **Monkeh** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:44 pm

morfeus wrote:read properly

RTL8201CL is not a valid solution for this sound card on an asrock dual sata2. i know about that driver its not meant for the onboard version

intel8x0 does work for oss emulation but does not support the AC97 specs

slocate does nothing at all

nvidia drivers work but the settings dont

about the printer: if they cant do what you mentioned they should at least bugtrack it

I DID read properly. The RTL8201CL is NOT A SOUND CARD. It's an NIC. An onboard NIC. The one your motherboard has.

The intel8x0 driver should work, and I see reports of it working just fine here.

Does nothing at all? It has to do something. Segfault, spit out an error, SOMETHING.

The settings should work.

How can the bugtrack something if they can't test it to see if it works or not?

I just get the feeling you're using ricer CFLAGS and don't know what you're doing..

morfeus · Post by **morfeus** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:46 pm

keymaps, i did read that

it does not provide a download for the keymap does it? nor is it included in the install

the mouse and keyboard, strange thing is I had it working but it disappeared again after trying to configure xmodmap, locales and hardware sensors... the xorg.conf settings are unchanged but it does not detect my usb mouse and keyboard anymore

the slocate issue is the least of my worries

drwook · Post by **drwook** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:50 pm

morfeus wrote:okay lets sum em up

my onboard network card - integrated realtek 850 on an asrock sata 2 - not supported

2 minute web search finds it works with uli526x driver. Here's the kernel config help for it...

Symbol: ULI526X [=n] │
Prompt: ULi M526x controller support │
Defined at drivers/net/tulip/Kconfig:138 │
Depends on: NETDEVICES && !UML && NET_ETHERNET && (PCI || EISA || CAR │
Location: │
-> Device Drivers │
-> Network device support │
-> Network device support (NETDEVICES [=y]) │
-> Ethernet (10 or 100Mbit) │
-> Tulip family network device support │
-> "Tulip" family network device support (NET_TULIP [=n]) │
Selects: CRC32 │

my onboard sound card - ac 97 unsupported

You're kidding right? ac97 is about the most supported and generic sound device known to man... 'Intel/SiS/nVidia/AMD/ALi AC97 Controller' under PCI devices under the ALSA section of your kernel config

my belgian keyboard mapping - no belgian keymaps to be found

well, I can guarantee there are. try looking... http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/guide-localization.xml

my cordless keyboard and mouse - refusing to be detected even though usb is working

You have USB HID support in your kernel in this case, right? ...

slocate = not working

In what way?

nvidiadriver unable to run nvidia=settings

Assuming you installed via portage? Just 'emerge nvidia-settings'...

my hp deskjet 3647 unsupported

*yawn* Unsupported by what and according to who?

nutznboltz · Post by **nutznboltz** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 1:31 pm

try

emerge genkernel
emerge coldplug
emerge alsa-utils
rc-update add hotplug boot
rc-update add coldplug boot
rc-update add alsasound boot
genkernel all
reboot

and see what happens.

The intent of this approach is to let gentoo figure out what hardware you have.

genkernel builds a kernel with everything as modules.
coldplug, hotplug and alsa-utils attempt to probe for what hardware you are running and load the modules you need.

aidy · Post by **aidy** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 1:37 pm

he needs to set his /boot/grub/grub.conf too
BTW, 'It doesn't say were to download the keymap' makes _ABSOLUTELY_ no sense

nutznboltz · Post by **nutznboltz** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 1:37 pm

slocate uses a database that is built by a cron job. You must have cron running and let the system be on at the right hour of day. Alternatively use anacron on top of cron and you can powerdown over night without missing the job since it will run when you power back on.

aidy · Post by **aidy** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 1:39 pm

or just update it with 'updatedb'

loftwyr · Post by **loftwyr** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 3:06 pm

morfeus wrote:okay lets sum em up

So, your real complaint is that you're too lazy to look for documentation on running anything and so it's the arch's fault, not yours?

wah · Post by **wah** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 3:12 pm

morfeus wrote:is anyone happy using this arch

I can tell you Im not at all impressed, my machine has never functioned as crippled as with this arch

ASUS A8V-Deluxe, AMD64 3000+, 1GB Corsair PC3200, etc..

I have been more pleased with the AMD64 distro than anything I've ever used.

Even if your hardware wasn't supported, you can't blame the distro for your lack of research before buying pc parts.

Gentoo flies on my setup

urbanomad · Post by **urbanomad** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 4:59 pm

I love my 64-bit arch. AMD64 X2 3800+, Asus A8N-SLI Premium, 2 gigs of Corsair XMS, GeForce 6600GT, etc.
The only thing I've had problems with is SLI. I bought two video cards and tried to get it to work, but my semester was starting so I just had to finish it up and get it in a working state. And I've heard SLI doesn't quite work all that well anyways, but I wanted to try it. Maybe when summer is here I'll raid the messageboards and figure it out

But ya, I think you're just griefing for no good reason. We all get upset sometimes when we're trying to configure our boxes, but just hang in there and search search search the messageboards and the wiki, and ask questions, and people will usually help you.
Just chill.

sirdilznik · Post by **sirdilznik** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 6:45 pm

Another happy amd64 user here.

morfeus · Post by **morfeus** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 6:57 pm

Thanks for all the feedback folks. I admit my worst problem does not ly with gentoo or linux but with my impatient nature. I am lazy but not stupid. I think somewhere along the process installing and finetuning gentoo I forgot this also requires a learning process. Thinking I was prepared by burning a universal install cd, printing and reading the manuals - I was set to go. I was clearly not, its true I didnt have the oppurtunity to buy a computer with the best supported devices. This is mainly because of budget reasons.

This is my third clean install of gentoo in three weeks time. Once I screwed up because of improper use flags. Once I screwed up when installing win2k on another hd which wasnt present at installing gentoo. Then I screwed up my working keymaps. I flipped.

For those still not annoyed by my posts

sound driver I am using is the intel8x0 but it doesnot give AC97 compatibilty. It only works in certain games like ET with the echo et >oss trick. UT and Quake III simply crash over sound. xmms and other related sound stuff work.

network driver: ive tried the mentioned uli network driver doesnt work. bought a pci network card works like a dream but I am minus one pci slot and do not own many.

nvidia driver: works great, followed the nvidia guide but at one time nvidia-settings worked, now it doesnt anymore and I cant find an apparent reason (umnerged, remerged, ...)

logitech cordless keyboard and mouse driver: got it working even with an xmodmap for multimedia keys but screwed it up again after configuring locales or hardware-sensors ...

printer: no success yet

slocate fixed

pot-smoking habit unfixed ...

energyman76b · Post by **energyman76b** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 7:27 pm

morfeus wrote:okay lets sum em up

my onboard network card - integrated realtek 850 on an asrock sata 2 - not supported

supported by the uli driver in the tulip section

morfeus wrote: my onboard sound card - ac 97 unsupported

wrong, onboard sound works perfectly with the usual intel-8x0 driver.

morfeus wrote: my belgian keyboard mapping - no belgian keymaps to be found

do you habe kbd installed?
did you build kbd with nls?

morfeus wrote: my cordless keyboard and mouse - refusing to be detected even though usb is working

I bet, you forgot to build hid support into your kernel...

morfeus wrote: slocate = not working

last time I tried, it worked.

morfeus wrote: nvidiadriver unable to run nvidia=settings

funny. works for me. Did you install nvidia-settings or only the driver?

morfeus wrote: my hp deskjet 3647 unsupported

which should not be a 64bit problem.

EDIT:

the inboard nic's connector is not top quality, the cable gets loose to easily. That may be the reason that network does not work for you.
For you games problems. Did you build alsa with oss support? did you install aoss?

EDIT 2:
if you want, you can have my working kernel conf. For crashing games: replace openal.so in the games directory with the one installed on your system. This is a bug in the games, not of your onboard sound.

Jfr0 · Post by **Jfr0** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 8:36 pm

I like my amd64 install. Once you get it setup you'll never loook back.

HermanR · Post by **HermanR** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 9:53 pm

Another happy AMD64 64-bits gentoo user here.

And of course I checked the gentoo forums for possible problems before I decided on the specific hardware in my PC. (I confess: I once bought a scanner that was and still is unsupported; I'll never make that mistake again.)

Treborius · Post by **Treborius** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 10:11 pm

urbanomad wrote:I love my 64-bit arch. AMD64 X2 3800+, Asus A8N-SLI Premium, 2 gigs of Corsair XMS, GeForce 6600GT, etc.
The only thing I've had problems with is SLI. I bought two video cards and tried to get it to work, but my semester was starting so I just had to finish it up and get it in a working state. And I've heard SLI doesn't quite work all that well anyways, but I wanted to try it. Maybe when summer is here I'll raid the messageboards and figure it out
But ya, I think you're just griefing for no good reason. We all get upset sometimes when we're trying to configure our boxes, but just hang in there and search search search the messageboards and the wiki, and ask questions, and people will usually help you.
Just chill.

almost the same computer-configuration here, and no problems that were unable to be solved so far ..

nutznboltz · Post by **nutznboltz** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 10:31 pm

morfeus wrote:pot-smoking habit unfixed ...

http://na.org/

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