AMD64-newbie Questions

[patrik1982]

I'm about to install gentoo on my newly bought AMD64 computer. I have used gentoo before, but never the 64-bit version.
It seems like people are haveing problems with stuff (java, flash, firefox, and such stuff)

Why is that?
Do I have to use special 64-bit software? Can I use mplayer and stuff, just like I used to do on my old 32-bit linux?

I want everything up and running without having to spend too long time to get it working. I want:
- apache + php + mysql + python
- firefox + java + flash + acrobat + gaim + limewire + bittornado
- latex + gimp + emacs
- mplayer (will codecs work???) + xmms + k3b + alsa + cd-ripper
(I think thats the apps I use 90% of the time)

Will these apps work? Or am I better off waiting a year or so 'til 64-bit gentoo has matured and don't have 32&64-bit problems anymore?

Also, will Maple 9.5 and Matlab 7 R14 work on 64-bit gentoo?

A lot of questions. I hope you guys can answer some of them.

[janiskr]

do not know about limewire, all other things works - if you read some manual.

you wil have to set up firefox-bin (32bit version) and flash and 32bit java anything else works nice on my PC wich ofcorse is amd64

look here
http://www.gentoo.ro/doc/en/handbook/handbook-amd64.xml
and here
http://www.gentoo.ro/proj/en/base/amd64 ... /index.xml

[mudrii]

- apache + php + mysql + python > full 64 bit support all works well
- firefox + java + flash > 32 bit emulation works well

[J.M.I.T.]

- apache + php + mysql + python > full 64 bit support all works well
- firefox + java + flash > 32 bit emulation works well

you don't even need firefox-bin anymore... you can use nspluginwrapper to use 32bit-plugins in a
64bit-browser... and btw... java works just fine on amd64 even the nsplugins do...

[pacho2]

- apache + php + mysql + python

-> They work natively on a 64 bits system, so, there is no problem with they

firefox + java + flash + acrobat + gaim + limewire + bittornado

For run flash you need to use a 32 bits browser version. For install all this software run:

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emerge -av mozilla-bin mozilla-firefox-bin netscape-flash acroread blackdown-jre gaim limewire bittornado

Please, visit http://packages.gentoo.org/

Netscape-flash will install flash player, and it will work on mozilla-bin and firefox-bin. About java, you can also try to use sun-jre-bin, but I haven't tested it and I'm using blackdown-jre succesfully.

- latex + gimp + emacs

-> They works on 64 bits mode -> No problem

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- mplayer (will codecs work???) 

You have to emerge mplayer-bin for it.
http://packages.gentoo.org/search/?sstring=mplayer-bin

+ xmms + k3b + alsa + cd-ripper

They run OK on 64 bits mode


IMPORTANT: For run 32 bits apps you have to be enabled 32 bits emulation on your kernel and you have to install the following packages http://packages.gentoo.org/search/?sstr ... -linux-x86

[hvengel]

As you can see from the above there are a handfull of things that still have problems running as 64 bit apps. Most of these things are not real important to me so I have been running 64 bit versions of these for a while. Mostly so I could keep track of progress on the 64 bit side. A year ago almost none of this worked in even a marginal way. Six months ago much of it was working in 64 bits at least enough to make it useable. Things contiue to improve at a significant pace. I expect that in another six months that all of this stuff will be working very well as 64 bit apps. In the mean time you can run 32 bit version of stuff without any difficulty.

[drwook]

the emul-* packages should all get pulled in as dependancies when you install a *-bin 32 bit package anyway, so you shouldn't need to worry about it. If something doesn't, it's a bug in the ebuild so would need putting on bugzilla.

[patrik1982]

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- mplayer (will codecs work???) 

You have to emerge mplayer-bin for it.
http://packages.gentoo.org/search/?sstring=mplayer-bin

Will VLC be the better player in 64-bit gentoo?

[nxsty]

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- mplayer (will codecs work???) 

You have to emerge mplayer-bin for it.
http://packages.gentoo.org/search/?sstring=mplayer-bin

Will VLC be the better player in 64-bit gentoo?

No, because of Microsoft´s super multiplatform support there will be no win codecs for anything but 32 bit x86. Of course the free codecs will work in 64 bit but you'll lose the ability to play some proprietary formats .

[pacho2]

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- mplayer (will codecs work???) 

You have to emerge mplayer-bin for it.
http://packages.gentoo.org/search/?sstring=mplayer-bin

Will VLC be the better player in 64-bit gentoo?

I haven't tested it

[drwook]

I've heard this *OMG we can't have windows codecs!* argument a few times, but I don't have them on my system at all, and have never come across anything I can't play.

does anyone actually know what these support which we allegedly can't use without them?

[widan]

does anyone actually know what these support which we allegedly can't use without them?

Some recent revisions of WMV format AFAIK (the ones with fourcc code "WMV9" - there is support for the older revisions, but not this one, unless they added it since the last time I checked), and maybe also RealPlayer files (not sure for that one).

[drwook]

sounds like a real tragic loss, must be affecting all of 3 people worldwide

[J.M.I.T.]

I've heard this *OMG we can't have windows codecs!* argument a few times, but I don't have them on my system at all, and have never come across anything I can't play.

does anyone actually know what these support which we allegedly can't use without them?

that's the reason...:

http://www.geocities.com/jmitde/badstunt.wmv

try to play this file with any player in 64bit...

[AA]

- firefox + java + flash > 32 bit emulation works well

A little off topic, but can anyone reccomend a good tut on 32-bit emulation.

I need to emulte my sound card in 32-bit for games, specifically enemy territory !!!

[satanskin]

- apache + php + mysql + python > full 64 bit support all works well
- firefox + java + flash > 32 bit emulation works well

you don't even need firefox-bin anymore... you can use nspluginwrapper to use 32bit-plugins in a
64bit-browser... and btw... java works just fine on amd64 even the nsplugins do...

Where can this nspluginwrapper be found?

[kmtsg]

what about BestCrypt? has anyone made that work fine in 64bit environment? I can load the module..

[h0nke]

sounds like a real tragic loss, must be affecting all of 3 people worldwide

lol thats funny as hell