___DEPRECATED___ 2.6.14-nitro2

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Tiger683 · Post by **Tiger683** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 7:02 am

bollucks wrote:
Tiger683 wrote:using ext3 with journal writeback has about 10 times higher risk of
having old data appear in the modified AND saved files after a powerloss
than with reiser4 .... Considering the fact, reiser4 also uses writeback, let's see which one has
worse implementation
Then , even your wonderful dir_index won't help...
Where did you get your "information" from saying the data loss will be less?
Sounds like bullshit handwaving to me.

Same to you...
Source of information: My experience and that of 5 other people, i was on ext3 with journal writeback
and dir_index for quite a long time, search the forums and love-sources channel logs....

Now, for that one i could report sraight to a mod,....but i don'T..
This seems like even more improved "I can't believe it's not lovechild"

PS: let's stop this flamewar, or some mod will be asked to close the topic, so please people,
let's behave

bollucks · Post by **bollucks** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 9:44 am

I was too harsh then sorry. You did sound like you were just extolling the infinite virtues of something based on the hype so I got a little agro.

Phk · Post by **Phk** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 11:29 pm

"Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics; even if you win, you're still retarded."

:D:D

Heh, nice thing u stopped.

Tiger, keep up the good work

compiling....................

Phk

Jedi Master · Post by **Jedi Master** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 5:49 am

3 days uptime reached - on laptop, doing hibernation each day. With MiniSAP on MaxDB running all the time, apache - php - postgresql, and keeping up to date with breakmygentoo gnome overlay. Looks like 2.6.14-nitro2 is the most stable kernel with laptop hibernation support I ever had.

Tiger683 · Post by **Tiger683** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 8:44 am

Jedi Master wrote:3 days uptime reached - on laptop, doing hibernation each day. With MiniSAP on MaxDB running all the time, apache - php - postgresql, and keeping up to date with breakmygentoo gnome overlay. Looks like 2.6.14-nitro2 is the most stable kernel with laptop hibernation support I ever had.

Thanks

_dA_CyANIDe · Post by **_dA_CyANIDe** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 9:01 pm

Hello,

i'm trying this kernel right now, but the system performance with this kernel is worse than perf. on gentoo-sources kernel.

If i run vmware it's incredible lazy and disk read too much i think, some lagz too

4about 5-10s. Maybe, kernel is misconfigured

Have anybody some hints how to improve (kernel configuration) my system performance?

Thx a LOT!

Thetargos · Post by **Thetargos** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 9:05 pm

A long shot, but you may try turning swap prefetch off, as it may be the responsible for your unwanted disk activity.

_dA_CyANIDe · Post by **_dA_CyANIDe** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 9:13 pm

I'm sorry, i'm noob

in this ... where can i turn swap prefetch off?

Thetargos · Post by **Thetargos** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 9:15 pm

Under General at the root of menuconfig

Just bellow the Swap option.

_dA_CyANIDe · Post by **_dA_CyANIDe** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 9:18 pm

.. Thx, i'll try it.

_dA_CyANIDe · Post by **_dA_CyANIDe** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 10:41 pm

Hmm ...

(((( no change ..

Gentoo-sources workes better for me...

Sry 4 bad english

mayday147 · Post by **mayday147** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 10:48 pm

_dA_CyANIDe wrote:Hmm ... (((( no change ..

Gentoo-sources workes better for me...

Sry 4 bad english

In what way are you expecting to work better than gentoo-sources? Are you expecting to work way faster on this kernel?

Thetargos · Post by **Thetargos** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 11:17 pm

mayday147 wrote:
_dA_CyANIDe wrote:Hmm ... (((( no change ..

Gentoo-sources workes better for me...

Sry 4 bad english
In what way are you expecting to work better than gentoo-sources? Are you expecting to work way faster on this kernel?

Read above, he gets a lot of disk activity when using VMWare.

_dA_CyANIDe · Post by **_dA_CyANIDe** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 11:35 pm

mayday147 wrote:
_dA_CyANIDe wrote:Hmm ... (((( no change ..

Gentoo-sources workes better for me...

Sry 4 bad english
In what way are you expecting to work better than gentoo-sources? Are you expecting to work way faster on this kernel?

I'm expecting better performance from nitro sources. I use vmware for many times, i'm doing on .NET (school programs) but with nitro sources .. i don't know why but i get many lagz, probably caused by disk activity ..

If i run wmvare and then try emerge --sync in term .. it fails on 180s timeout!! And i can't connect to any FTP until vmware is down.

I have no idea what's wrong ..maybe kernel configuration .. but i don't know what.

yaneurabeya · Post by **yaneurabeya** » Thu Nov 24, 2005 12:17 am

enderandrew wrote:ReiserFS (or Reiser 3 if you will) did not write atomically. Ext3 and Reiser4 do. Reiser4 should be judged on the merits of Reiser4, not on the merits of ReiserFS.

Well, looking at the webpage it appears that Reiser 4 is a bit more stable than the last time I looked (a few months ago), so I'll try it out on a new hard disk I have for secondary storage backup.

I wonder what might be causing the kernel.org people from accepting the reiser4 fs into the main kernel tree...

Gotta figure out what dancing trees look like in terms of a data structure though (ie do they literally dance ;p?)...

HecHacker1 · Post by **HecHacker1** » Thu Nov 24, 2005 11:56 pm

yaneurabeya wrote:
enderandrew wrote:ReiserFS (or Reiser 3 if you will) did not write atomically. Ext3 and Reiser4 do. Reiser4 should be judged on the merits of Reiser4, not on the merits of ReiserFS.
Well, looking at the webpage it appears that Reiser 4 is a bit more stable than the last time I looked (a few months ago), so I'll try it out on a new hard disk I have for secondary storage backup.

I wonder what might be causing the kernel.org people from accepting the reiser4 fs into the main kernel tree...

Gotta figure out what dancing trees look like in terms of a data structure though (ie do they literally dance ;p?)...

actually there is an ongoing argument between Hans and Linus over the style of the reiser4 code, but it has already been submitted to be inserted into the mainline. I get the feeling Linus is going to indefinately put reiser4 on hold because he has a personal problem with Hans Reiser.

I can say that it is stable, there is no question about that anymore. It just those people who don't stay updated with the development that spew lies saying otherwise.

Phk · Post by **Phk** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 12:53 am

Sorry guys, but in my case, i have a bad experience.
First of all, hey, i still consider Nitro sources as the best ones around. really.

Now for the problem. I had these:

Nitro-sources (2.6.13 - "Down with frequency")
Good:
[*] Got a working PCMCIA socket (Yenta-socket) with Wireless PCMCIA Card (orinoco-cs.ko)
[*] A working "mount /mnt/pendisk" system
Bad:
[*] SoftwareSuspend 2 hanged after reboot
[*] Kernel randomly HANGS the graphics card (no possible image after that. normally happened when away from the pc)

Nitro-sources (2.6.14 - "Drinkin in LA")
Good:
[*] Better overall performance
[*] Got Hibernate to work
Bad:
[*] Strange: Hibernate "wakes-up" but the system is f*** slow. really tooooo slow. (even the mouse moves slow!)
[*] Wireless stopped working. "cardmgr" says no working PCMCIA socket. Yenta loads normally at boot.
[*] "mount /mnt/pendisk" (which i think its vfat) no longer works!

Now there are only these options:
[*] I'm too stupid
[*] New nitro version has new bugs
[*] My laptop is stupid

Any guesses?

Cheers,
Phk

Cinder6 · Post by **Cinder6** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 12:54 am

Another reason is that reiser4 does not do things the same as other filesystems do. Just look at user extended attributes. It's kind of annoying, because it makes some programs not work quite right (beagle does not have full reiser4 support, for instance).

That said, reiser4 is my FS of choice

SchAmane · Post by **SchAmane** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 12:58 am

Hey Tiger, any plans to give us some overview release for 2.6.15-rc nitro ?

Cinder6 · Post by **Cinder6** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 2:40 am

I say, just wait for .15 to get released

Phk · Post by **Phk** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 2:51 am

Cinder6 wrote:I say, just wait for .15 to get released

lolllll, true!

cheater1034 · Post by **cheater1034** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 3:09 am

Tiger683,
This kernel is being used on the new Conrad Install LiveCD

Works great, great work - And this kernel is the reccomended of the Conrad Install Method

super-lupo · Post by **super-lupo** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 11:16 am

Playing around with my new powerbook, i'm just wondering why nitro sources only available for x86?
Would be nice to run also my laptop on nitro. Any chance?

Greetings,
Lupo

Tiger683 · Post by **Tiger683** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 11:22 am

super-lupo wrote:Playing around with my new powerbook, i'm just wondering why nitro sources only available for x86?
Would be nice to run also my laptop on nitro. Any chance?

Greetings,
Lupo

It is masked as ~x86 ~amd64 and ~ppc

If your powerbook is not one of the arch's (ppc?) then please add the proper one to KEYWORDS in the ebuild and test it.
If it works, i will add a keyword for it.

another thing: if your powerbook is ppc keyworded, you are probably using pure "stable" keywording,
add "sys-kernel/nitro-sources ~ppc" to /etc/portage/package.keywords.

Just in case someone comes to the idea of going nuts about me advicing using single keyword exception,
go somewhere else, this package has no further dependencies.....

super-lupo · Post by **super-lupo** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 11:27 am

Ups,

blame on me. Didn't noticed the ~ppc keyword.
I had in mind, that previous releases of nitro didn't had this keyword. but I could be wrong.
I will test this release tonight on my ppc powerbook.

Btw, thank you for this really fast reply. It's like irc... ^^

Greetings,
Lupo

Great job on this release. running like a charm on my x86 system.