E17 is coming?? (Part 3)

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bullring · Post by **bullring** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 4:40 am

ppurka wrote:@bullring
Does this happen when you try to launch the engage from within e17? This type of error is typically spewed out by enlightenment_remote, when you try to use enlightenment_remote from some other WM/DE.

i only use e17. i don't have any othe WM's intalled...

boneyfrog · Post by **boneyfrog** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:40 am

rsulli55 wrote:I don't think it matters I tried both ways and get the same error.
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ERROR: Enlightenment_remote cannot set up the IPC socket.
Maybe try the '-display :0.0' option?

you are running e_remote as the same user that started dr17 right? Happens to all of us every so often

gimpel · Post by **gimpel** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 9:45 am

boneyfrog wrote:
rsulli55 wrote:I don't think it matters I tried both ways and get the same error.
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ERROR: Enlightenment_remote cannot set up the IPC socket.
Maybe try the '-display :0.0' option?
you are running e_remote as the same user that started dr17 right? Happens to all of us every so often

also if you run it as the same user, but from the console, you'll have to add the display switch

joolz · Post by **joolz** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 11:39 am

Is there any terminal emulator that supports the e17 "real" transparency. If not, anything in the horizon?

gimpel · Post by **gimpel** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 12:11 pm

joolz wrote:Is there any terminal emulator that supports the e17 "real" transparency. If not, anything in the horizon?

which e17 'real' transparency?? e17 doesn't support ANY transparency at all, and maybe never will

but you can force fake trans using Esetroot tool which is part of Eterm, and use any terminal emu that supports that, like Eterm, xterm, aterm, gnome-terminal, (u)rxvt etc etc

joolz · Post by **joolz** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 11:16 pm

gimpel wrote: which e17 'real' transparency?? e17 doesn't support ANY transparency at all, and maybe never will

ah, i see. I got it wrong. You can have real transparency but only within the same canvas. Guess we will have to wait for xorg compositor support.

thx

jbo5112 · Post by **jbo5112** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 2:20 am

I can't get the evicence CVS to download from the ebuild. I've tried and tried and tried.

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cvs -q -f -z3 -d ":pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/evidence" login

fails every time. I even wrote a script to keep trying all day.

It's not a problem of trying again later either. (code copied directly from the Evidence website)

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cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/evidence login
cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/evidence co evidence

Works like a charm every time.

I tried posting this to bugzilla, but I just saw a complaint and "Try again later." I'd fix the problem myself (I'm usually good at that), but I can't track down all the cvs login stuff very well, I have no formal knowledge of the ebuild language so any fix would probably be a bad hack, and I don't have a clue how to submit the fix if I did get it working.

olof · Post by **olof** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:59 am

joolz wrote: ah, i see. I got it wrong. You can have real transparency but only within the same canvas. Guess we will have to wait for xorg compositor support.

Though you could have a terminal module. That would be pretty cool, although it would only render on the background like the other modules. Anyone knows if there is one in the works?

joolz · Post by **joolz** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 12:41 pm

olof wrote: Though you could have a terminal module. That would be pretty cool, although it would only render on the background like the other modules. Anyone knows if there is one in the works?

Yes, but then it would be impossible to move the terminals on top of other windows, am i right?

gimpel · Post by **gimpel** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 1:07 pm

joolz wrote:
olof wrote: Though you could have a terminal module. That would be pretty cool, although it would only render on the background like the other modules. Anyone knows if there is one in the works?
Yes, but then it would be impossible to move the terminals on top of other windows, am i right?

that's right, unfortunately.

but for having a (pseudo-)transparent terminal, Esetroot does it's job pretty well

joolz · Post by **joolz** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 2:16 pm

gimpel wrote: but for having a (pseudo-)transparent terminal, Esetroot does it's job pretty well

yes i guess, but it would be nice to se the animated backgrounds through the terminal.

btw, how do i set the background with Esetroot when i start up E, "the E way". e17 dont seem to remember what i did after a reboot. i see a dir named ./e/e/init . dont know how it works though.

Jedi Master · Post by **Jedi Master** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 2:34 pm

Did anyone managed to switch off antialiasing in e17? I am just emerging it again - and that the thing which I hate and will not tolerate at all - I can live with 10 minutes spendings per menu item addition or without transparent terminal - but not with blurry ugly antialiased fonts. In all previous attempts to build e17 I could not handle it - no matter what is in fonts.conf or gtk configuration - e17 continued to kill my eyes, so emerge -C was the only solution....

gimpel · Post by **gimpel** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 2:38 pm

joolz wrote:
gimpel wrote: but for having a (pseudo-)transparent terminal, Esetroot does it's job pretty well
yes i guess, but it would be nice to se the animated backgrounds through the terminal.

btw, how do i set the background with Esetroot when i start up E, "the E way". e17 dont seem to remember what i did after a reboot. i see a dir named ./e/e/init . dont know how it works though.

I created an .eap that executes the Esetroot -scal bla command, and listed it in ~/.e/e/applications/startup/.order

gimpel · Post by **gimpel** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 2:41 pm

Jedi Master wrote:Did anyone managed to switch off antialiasing in e17? I am just emerging it again - and that the thing which I hate and will not tolerate at all - I can live with 10 minutes spendings per menu item addition or without transparent terminal - but not with blurry ugly antialiased fonts. In all previous attempts to build e17 I could not handle it - no matter what is in fonts.conf or gtk configuration - e17 continued to kill my eyes, so emerge -C was the only solution....

anti aliasing is enabled by default in e17, and i wouldn't know any other way to disable it other than busting the code that enables it out of the source

e17 uses ttf's for menu, window borders etc. it would look like crap if it wasn't enabled

Jedi Master · Post by **Jedi Master** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 3:02 pm

Thanks! I am not shure ttf would look bad without antialising - I have MS Arial as default font in Gnome with hinting enabled but no AA at all - and it looks great, not worse than in Windows. The same in Wine - but also I had to hack the source code to get rid of antialiasing, and now it looks nice. I just can not understand - why Unix developers like antialiasing so much that hardcode it inside ? And so many efforts afterwards to make nice, sharp, good-looking fonts out of antialiased shit ....

shrndegruv · Post by **shrndegruv** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 3:09 pm

so this might be taboo question, but:

does anyone know how close we are to getting some sort of baseline e17 build? I've dabbled with e17, but its frustrating to have everything change on a regular basis.

gimpel · Post by **gimpel** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 3:20 pm

shrndegruv wrote:so this might be taboo question, but:

does anyone know how close we are to getting some sort of baseline e17 build? I've dabbled with e17, but its frustrating to have everything change on a regular basis.

well, it will be released short after duke nukem forever is out. that's no news

if i got that right you want to have some sort of weekly/monthly snapshots or something?
http://enlightenment.freedesktop.org/

shrndegruv · Post by **shrndegruv** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 3:27 pm

more like a beta or even alpha release, after all the basic stuff is in place and new functionality is mapped off the alpha/beta.

I would understand if the answer is "NO -- not even close to alpha, if you want to use understand that future releases won't work the same way...."

PyroBor · Post by **PyroBor** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 8:43 pm

anybody know how to get the latest version of Eterm installed? the one that is in portage as version 9999 and masked with "-*" keyword.

seems that i cant get it from cvs... and i once heard something about eterm not being supported by e17 project so there are same problems as with evidence ?

Ariem · Post by **Ariem** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 6:49 pm

PyroBor wrote:anybody know how to get the latest version of Eterm installed? the one that is in portage as version 9999 and masked with "-*" keyword.

seems that i cant get it from cvs... and i once heard something about eterm not being supported by e17 project so there are same problems as with evidence ?

I use Eterm under E17.. no problem at all!

If you wanna use version 9999, you probably have to unmark it first, (and probably add it to package.keywords as well) and emerge it! Just like any other app.

Bolli · Post by **Bolli** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 7:29 pm

hi guys

i updated my e17 today and noticed, that the nice configuration menu only contains the focus administration.
where is all the other things gone? it is a bit curios or a kind of step back?

i liked it with menu editing background changing and the eap-editor.

but now i find it crazy ......
but some other things are fixed since my last update
and it good work.

can anyone post on time when the menu is grown back?

RuiP · Post by **RuiP** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 7:36 pm

entangle is still available for editing menus...

Bolli · Post by **Bolli** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 8:42 pm

yes but not in configuration menu
doing all by myself is not the thing i want to

jxn · Post by **jxn** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 8:55 pm

Bolli wrote:hi guys

i updated my e17 today and noticed, that the nice configuration menu only contains the focus administration.
where is all the other things gone? it is a bit curios or a kind of step back?

i liked it with menu editing background changing and the eap-editor.

but now i find it crazy ......
but some other things are fixed since my last update
and it good work.

can anyone post on time when the menu is grown back?

They're probably making changes to prepare for what looks like new set of configuration tools... take a look at this to see what I mean:
http://get-e.org/E17_User_Guide/English/_pages/3.3.html

RuiP · Post by **RuiP** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 9:30 pm

Bolli wrote:yes but not in configuration menu
doing all by myself is not the thing i want to

Hi, entangle is the GUI for editing menus.
just type entangle (or make an eap starter on your ibar/engage) and you got the same thing as started from configuration menu.

ethemes is the same thing for themes...

They are just not - temporarilly, - available in the centralized menu.