What are we going to do to keep up with Ubuntu?

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Wietze · Post by **Wietze** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 11:40 am

Q-collective wrote:
curtis119 wrote:
tageiru wrote:
Omega21 wrote:Gentoo is
like spending 4 extra years in University, and when you get it all done, you have a better system than Ubuntu could ever give you.
Thats a great quote for http://funroll-loops.org/, perhaps under the "Watching shit scroll by for hours makes me a Linux expert overnight!" section.
But but but ... it DOES!!!!!onetwothree (doesn't it?)
omfgwtfbbq yes!!111111111122222222

Wait, you mean that watching kde compile doesn't make me a linux expert ?

guzhead · Post by **guzhead** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 5:38 pm

MetalGod wrote:Well you can see our (developer) point we are not paid like the Ubuntu devs. So we try go get all the latest stuff available for our users (many nights without any sleep) and try to do better than the others.

We have a few examples of apps available in Portage that are much better maintained than the Fedora/Ubuntu/Debian/Suse etc... ones.
Of course most of the "new" features announced in Ubuntu belongs to Gnome 2.12 release that is currently available in portage (i'm running it atm).
I'm not trying to do a distro war i'm just trying to say that we are much dfferent from the another distros and we (developers) do the best we can.

You are right.. if you read ubuntu's "new" features and gnome new feautures you'll see rthat gnome is doing everything...

Gentoo forever!!

If you want binaries go to debian...

codergeek42 · Post by **codergeek42** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 7:41 pm

guzhead wrote:If you want binaries go to debian...

...or Fedora...

curtis119 · Post by **curtis119** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 7:54 pm

codergeek42 wrote:
guzhead wrote:If you want binaries go to debian...
...or Fedora...

Or Slackware.

codergeek42 · Post by **codergeek42** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:16 pm

curtis119 wrote:
codergeek42 wrote:
guzhead wrote:If you want binaries go to debian...
...or Fedora...
Or Slackware.

Monkeh · Post by **Monkeh** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:46 pm

codergeek42 wrote:
curtis119 wrote:
codergeek42 wrote:
guzhead wrote:If you want binaries go to debian...
...or Fedora...
Or Slackware.

Best binary distro there is tbh.

Don't start a distro war over this, thanks.

gstrock · Post by **gstrock** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 6:24 pm

It just took me about 3 weeks to emerge world because of hiccups I kept encountering. After all that I still don't have or know how to get openoffice 2. At work I replaced gentoo on my workstation with Kubuntu. And guess what? It ran faster.

some how my gentoo build got sick. When they gave me the fastest pc at work I had put gentoo on it. It was great for a long time, then one day memory started to get eaten up. ksysguard had a memory leak. If I left it running it got huge.

At home I'm running gentoo still, but only because I like to run a different distro for the experience. I'm really a debian guy at heart so moving to Kubuntu at work and Ubuntu on my laptop was no big deal. I'm seriously considering ditching gentoo at home too.

there was a time when Gentoo was the cutting edge distro, that's why I moved to it from Debian testing. But all this compiling takes it's toll. I never do any tweaking of flags. Watching screens of compiles fly by is reminding me of some kind of OCD disorder.

I've been baby sitting my gentoo build all weekend just trying to get emerge -uD world to work.

Dlareh · Post by **Dlareh** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 10:53 pm

gstrock wrote:...

What kind of problems do you have with emerge world ?

Openoffice 2.0 is hard masked because it is still beta quality. Documentation about circumventing this is readily available.

If you don't have a prefered set of CFLAGS, and don't care about the other benefits of portage such as USE flags, then Gentoo is a poor choice.

curtis119 · Post by **curtis119** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:21 am

Dlareh wrote:
gstrock wrote:...
What kind of problems do you have with emerge world ?

Openoffice 2.0 is hard masked because it is still beta quality. Documentation about circumventing this is readily available.

If you don't have a prefered set of CFLAGS, and don't care about the other benefits of portage such as USE flags, then Gentoo is a poor choice.

The init system is also a great reason to choose Gentoo. Not to mention the dependancy checking that portage does when you emerge new packages. Not to mention these forums and the mailing lists and irc channels that have consistantly given the best support I have ever seen in the linux community. The CFLAGS and USE flags are just icing on the cake as far as I'm concerned.

96140 · Post by **96140** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:28 am

curtis119 wrote:The init system is also a great reason to choose Gentoo. Not to mention the dependancy checking that portage does when you emerge new packages. Not to mention these forums and the mailing lists and irc channels that have consistantly given the best support I have ever seen in the linux community. The CFLAGS and USE flags are just icing on the cake as far as I'm concerned.

Absolutely right on. Gentoo's init system is fantastic, and the dependency checking offered by Portage . . . wow. Mmm, delish! USE flags are wonderful, and CFLAGs are tasty as well.

codergeek42 · Post by **codergeek42** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:41 am

curtis119 wrote:Not to mention these forums and the mailing lists and irc channels that have consistantly given the best support I have ever seen in the linux community. The CFLAGS and USE flags are just icing on the cake as far as I'm concerned.

Exactly.

syg00 · Post by **syg00** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 3:19 am

guzhead wrote: Gentoo forever!!

If you want binaries go to debian...

Nup. Gentoo.
See http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-37 ... ight-.html
I tried it over the weekend - pretty good for an early beta

spottraining · Post by **spottraining** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 5:16 am

syg00 wrote:
guzhead wrote: Gentoo forever!!

If you want binaries go to debian...
Nup. Gentoo.
See http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-37 ... ight-.html
I tried it over the weekend - pretty good for an early beta

Yes Kororaa is good, but I still have problems with this in my laptop. But its very good to get KDE work without compilation.
I don't like the Kororaa default kernel - so I compiled new with suspend.
The biggest problems in Gentoo to me are:
How to get my wifi work at startup and how to get suspend work (new kernel is compiled and I use this, but resume don't work...)
I have spend two days now only to get these things to work - and still unsuccessful.

I have downloaded also the Kubuntu 5.10RC DVD, but I still don't know what to to . Install this to my laptop or not. When I don't get with Gentoo my WiFi and suspend to work, then I change this to kubuntu I think. I just need working computer.

I like Gentoo, there is lot of possibilities to learn, change and customize. I using this right now in my server (up time little less than year) and in my PC. But in laptop i have right now little sceptic about Gentoo.

Q-collective · Post by **Q-collective** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 5:33 am

Monkeh wrote:Best binary distro there is tbh.

tbwho?

PaulBredbury · Post by **PaulBredbury** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 6:57 am

Q-collective wrote:tbwho?

"To be honest".

Q-collective · Post by **Q-collective** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 9:00 am

PaulBredbury wrote:
Q-collective wrote:tbwho?
"To be honest".

Right, didn't see that one comming. I know the abreviation, but didn't thought of it in this context

syg00 · Post by **syg00** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 9:04 am

www.acronymfinder.com ...

Q-collective · Post by **Q-collective** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 9:37 am

syg00 wrote:www.acronymfinder.com ...

Q-collective wrote:...but didn't thought of it in this context

curtis119 · Post by **curtis119** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 12:25 pm

Q-collective wrote:
syg00 wrote:www.acronymfinder.com ...

Q-collective wrote:...but didn't thought of it in this context

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emerge wtf

syg00 · Post by **syg00** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 12:44 pm

No way - you have got to be bloody kidding ...

Gotta love these geeks ... ace, seriously good ...

Dlareh · Post by **Dlareh** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 1:25 pm

curtis119 wrote:
Q-collective wrote:
syg00 wrote:www.acronymfinder.com ...

Q-collective wrote:...but didn't thought of it in this context
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emerge wtf

I like having this bookmark on my toolbar:

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javascript:Qr=document.getSelection();if(!Qr){void(Qr=prompt('Acronym please',''))};if(Qr)location.href='http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?String=exact&Acronym='+escape(Qr)+'&Find=Find'

Then you can just highlight an acronym and open the bookmark.

gstrock · Post by **gstrock** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 3:38 am

so finally after days and days and days,
I was able to successfully
emerge -uD world.
Just for kicks I rebooted.
ahhhhh!!!
Error: could not start /sbin/devfsd

WTF!! Some how devfsd got wiped out.

that's it, I'm putting Ubuntu on this machine!
That was the excuse I've been looking for.
Hmmm..... I thought about a project I had
been working on and decided I didn't want to destroy
my environment quite yet.

I booted off the live Ubuntu CD, mounted
my Gentoo root partition and then chroot
to it.

did an emerge devfsd and rebooted and I'm back
in business. So I'm still running Gentoo at home.

I just don't want to run the same distro every where.

but also, I love being able to chroot.
That is so cool to boot off a Debian cd and be able to
run emerge.

Linux is the best

Sir No · Post by **Sir No** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 12:12 pm

spottraining wrote:The biggest problems in Gentoo to me are:
How to get my wifi work at startup and how to get suspend work (new kernel is compiled and I use this, but resume don't work...)
I have spend two days now only to get these things to work - and still unsuccessful.

For the wi-fi you can use ndiswrapper. Initially I thought it's almost impossible to use Windows drivers in Linux, but I was very positively surprised. You can see a bunch of links I've used for it on [topic=386955]this topic[/topic] and a brief overview of some things to do in the system. Maybe this will help you too?

And I'm going to try myself with the swsusp2 one day. I just need some space on my disk for a bigger swap partition...

BTW. repartitiong in a "Gentoo way" just rocks!

I mean: tar -p the files, destroy the partition, create a new one, create filesystem there and untar the files. This is a method applicable to ANY Linux. Plus, you get a snapshot file of such a partition - so it can be used as a backup (hint! hint!)

Dlareh · Post by **Dlareh** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:26 pm

Sir No wrote:I mean: tar -p the files, destroy the partition, create a new one, create filesystem there and untar the files. This is a method applicable to ANY Linux. Plus, you get a snapshot file of such a partition - so it can be used as a backup (hint! hint!)

rsync -a is superior

Shan · Post by **Shan** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 7:54 pm

gstrock wrote:so finally after days and days and days,
I was able to successfully
emerge -uD world.
Just for kicks I rebooted.
ahhhhh!!!
Error: could not start /sbin/devfsd

WTF!! Some how devfsd got wiped out.

that's it, I'm putting Ubuntu on this machine!
That was the excuse I've been looking for.
Hmmm..... I thought about a project I had
been working on and decided I didn't want to destroy
my environment quite yet.

I booted off the live Ubuntu CD, mounted
my Gentoo root partition and then chroot
to it.

did an emerge devfsd and rebooted and I'm back
in business. So I'm still running Gentoo at home.

I just don't want to run the same distro every where.

but also, I love being able to chroot.
That is so cool to boot off a Debian cd and be able to
run emerge.

Linux is the best

devfsd has been removed from 'default' position in favor of udev; a change that was announced some months back actually; and it isn't just a Gentoo thing. If I'm not mistaken its been taken out of the vanilla kernel sources for 2.6. There are docs that will help you transition from devfsd to udev (as well as kernel-2.4.x to 2.6.x).