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Post by vpetreski » Thu Aug 25, 2005 11:38 am

Hello everybody,

before I give the suggestion, I would say a few words about myself, so you can get me serious ;o)

My name is Vanja Petreski, and I am coming from Belgrade, Serbia. I am a student at the Faculty of Electrical Engineering, University of Belgrade, Computer Science department.
I have been working with Linux and FreeBSD operating systems for about 5 years, and with Gentoo ~ 2 last years. I like Gentoo philosophy. My last couple of projects and jobs are powered by Gentoo Linux (for example: Academic XMPP network at the University of Belgrade - http://jabber.etf.bg.ac.yu). Community is excellent, also! I am using Gentoo as desktop, server and programing platform. (95 % of my work).
I had moderated the best serbian online community forum http://www.elitesecurity.org between 2001-2004. ([ES] topics: programing, security, unix, math, physics ...)
For personal purposes, I wrote couple of HOWTOs on my local network wiki. It would be great to share that with somebody.

Here, at Belgrade, when you say: "Gentoo" to somebody they usually think: "very hard and unfriendly to install and work Linux". I want to change that!

Finally, I suggest to open Serbian forum under International Gentoo Users forum and I would like to moderate that forum.

Thanx
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Post by pjp » Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:42 pm

Hello Vanja,

Regarding a Serbian forum, we generally like to see enough interest in the community before we dedicate a forum. If there are only a handful of users, then the Other Languages would be the best location. As a general rule, we've looked for at least 20 users before creating a forum.

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Post by rnd » Thu Aug 25, 2005 7:06 pm

Count me in.
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Post by Burgos » Thu Aug 25, 2005 7:15 pm

And me.
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Post by BojanBG » Thu Aug 25, 2005 7:29 pm

I'm also very interested for that proposition.
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Post by amne » Thu Aug 25, 2005 7:42 pm

It's always a good idea to mark the threads in your language when posting in the other languages forum. It makes it easier to see how much interest in a own forum would be and when it's created threads can be moved more easily. Unless i'm mistaken [CS] would be Serbia and Montenegro, but afaik Albanian is also official language in Montenegro. On the other hand Serbian is more or less related to Croatian, but i'm not sure if it would be a good idea to make a Serbo-Croatian subforum as there are some differences in the languages (and probably politically as well).
How are your suggestions concerning that?

We'll also need a charset for the forum, Serbian seems to use both cyrillic and latin characters, is there a charset you would prefer? I think as the Turkish and Hungarian forum this will have to wait until the utf8 conversion is done.
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Post by vladab » Thu Aug 25, 2005 7:49 pm

I'm here, too.
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Post by Strog » Thu Aug 25, 2005 8:26 pm

Count me in too :).
amne wrote:...Serbia and Montenegro, but afaik Albanian is also official language in Montenegro. On the other hand Serbian is more or less related to Croatian, but i'm not sure if it would be a good idea to make a Serbo-Croatian subforum as there are some differences in the languages (and probably politically as well).
How are your suggestions concerning that?

We'll also need a charset for the forum, Serbian seems to use both cyrillic and latin characters, is there a charset you would prefer? I think as the Turkish and Hungarian forum this will have to wait until the utf8 conversion is done.
First: Albanian isn't official language in Montenegro, and differences between Serbian and Croatian are minimal, and we, computer people, don't care about politics, so that wouldn't be a problem for one Serbo-Croatina forum ( atleast I think so :) ).

Second: Ideal charset for Serbo-Croatian forum would be, as you suspected, UTF8, but for begining ( until the UTF8 conversion is done ) it's not necessary because latin and cyrillic are equal in Serbian ( and in Croatina there's no cyrillic, only latin :) ).

There, I hope I managed to answer some fo your questions :)...
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Post by paleksic » Thu Aug 25, 2005 8:54 pm

Hey guys, wait for me ;) Hope to see that part of forum soon.
amne wrote:Serbia and Montenegro, but afaik Albanian is also official language in Montenegro. On the other hand Serbian is more or less related to Croatian, but i'm not sure if it would be a good idea to make a Serbo-Croatian subforum as there are some differences in the languages (and probably politically as well).
How are your suggestions concerning that?

Serbian and Croatian are almost identical. I guess there will be no
problems because we are all adults with interests for IT. On other hand Albanian have no
similarity at all, neither with serbian or croatian. Just my
opinion! Well, who am i to tell i just loved old good Yugoslavia :wink:

-cheers
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Post by paleksic » Thu Aug 25, 2005 8:56 pm

Heh sorry Strog didn't see you already answered that one.
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Post by amne » Thu Aug 25, 2005 9:03 pm

We also have a scandinavian forum for people who speak Danish, Swedish or Norwegian, so the idea of having a forum for similar languages (Serbian and Croatian in this case) would be a good idea then in my opinion.
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Post by VladaS79 » Thu Aug 25, 2005 9:50 pm

One more vote for opening that sub-forum.
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Post by paleksic » Thu Aug 25, 2005 9:51 pm

So @amne what do you suggest for a nice start? @pjp say we need at
least 20 members who will post in other languages for some time. Is
there anything else we should know or do?
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Post by veljkos » Thu Aug 25, 2005 10:17 pm

I am voting for this forum too.
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Post by vpetreski » Thu Aug 25, 2005 10:41 pm

Serbian latin test: šđžčć

Serbian cyrillic test: љњшђчћџз

Everything seems to be right :)

So, having a serbo-montenegro-bosnian-croatian-whatever (or maybe EX-YU) forum would be a good idea, simple because all of us could use latin, the languages are almost identical, we don't care about politics and because there will be more people and more posts.

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Post by u_m » Thu Aug 25, 2005 10:47 pm

great idea, my english is not so good(spelling) i need this...

option 2. add serbian language in phpbb...

i use gentoo on some ruters, gateways, one server, and i have them on my home pc
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Post by playahater » Fri Aug 26, 2005 1:04 am

Excellent idea .. I fully support it .. I wanna be part of it, too ... so .. count me in ... :)
I don`t have so time right now .. so i haven`t installed gentoo yet .. but i`ve read all manuals and I think its the best linux distro ever .. and since i`m gonna become a gentoo noob soon .. it would be GREAT if there would be a serbian forum under International Gentoo Users forum .. solving problems would be a lot easier ... ;)

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Post by Demoritus » Fri Aug 26, 2005 1:44 am

Count me in, also. I'm very interested and I hope it'll be made soon.
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Post by amne » Fri Aug 26, 2005 8:42 am

paleksic wrote:So @amne what do you suggest for a nice start?
First you all will need some patience as the utf-8 conversion is still not done yet. In the meanwhile you all can post to the Other Languages forum and i'd suggest you mark your posts with some language code - i have no idea what would be best, maybe [SC] for Serbian Croatian or something? Or is SC also another country's code?
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Post by u_m » Fri Aug 26, 2005 9:33 am

i sugest Serbian for now, then if some from croatia is intersted, you can change name...

is not fer to as... we are ready for work
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Post by Burgos » Fri Aug 26, 2005 9:33 am

But I am not quite shure what is the problem. Serbian Latin and Cyrilic are working.

Latin: QWERTZUIOPŠĐŽASDFGHJKLČĆXCVBNM
Cyrilic: ЉЊЕРТЗУИОПШЂЖАСДФГХЈКЛЧЋЏЦВБНМ
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Post by vpetreski » Fri Aug 26, 2005 9:59 am

I don't understand too?
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Post by KDE » Fri Aug 26, 2005 10:50 am

imate i moj glas :!:

(neznam engleski pa evo ak neko hoce quotat i prevest)
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Post by vladab » Fri Aug 26, 2005 10:54 am

You can call it and ex-yu forum, and avoid politics. :O)
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Post by KDE » Fri Aug 26, 2005 10:57 am

vladab wrote:ex-yu forum
good idea :D
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