E17 is coming?? (Part 2)

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gimpel · Post by **gimpel** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 4:34 pm

i have that line too in a textfile in ~

but first line says:

#!/bin/sh
sudo emerge ....

cuciferus · Post by **cuciferus** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 5:21 pm

new cvs works fine now

Cinder6 · Post by **Cinder6** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 6:27 pm

Thanks, guys!

*runs up to emerge in correct order*

How come the ebuild doesn't do the correct order, already?

Cinder6 · Post by **Cinder6** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 7:14 pm

Okay, I used that script to install, and I still get the same error on x11-wm/e. I tried putting e at the end of the emerge process, but I got an error on the next (e_utils). Grr...

tomato · Post by **tomato** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 7:17 pm

Hmmm, some things haven't compiled now for me for over a week - notably esmart and e_utils. I'm using an AMD64 machine. Perhaps it's cpu architecture specific?

Cinder6 · Post by **Cinder6** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 7:21 pm

If so, then...bah. Using amd64, too.

Maybe somebody could send me their (amd64) binpkgs of it?

vrln · Post by **vrln** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 8:49 pm

Do you guys have all packages from CVS (no accidental ~x86 ones in the mix)? If yes, sounds like an AMD64 issue if you both are experiencing exactly the same problem. Might be worth reporting to the Enlightenment mailing list.

Cinder6 · Post by **Cinder6** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 9:17 pm

I am using the e17-pkg script from pg 6. Not sure if they are CVS or not...checking now.

EDIT: AHA! I just realized that only 3 of the packages were using CVS, so I went through the fun process of adding the rest into my portage overlay

Restarting emere...hope it works!

c0uchm0nster · Post by **c0uchm0nster** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 9:24 pm

Just found out about e17/enlightenmnet and wanted to try it out.

i'm emerging from cvs and things were going fine until i tried emerging epsilon - which fails building with a vague error - so I assume it's broken in cvs at the moment (I've tried emerging following the order on the gentoo specific section of the get-e.org user list as well as using the e17-pkg script earlier in this thread - so i assume things are going in the correct order).

Anyways - I guess I just have to wait until epsilon is working in cvs again - but I'm curious as to a few things I was hoping people could clear up for me:
Since this is cvs I assume there's no automatic way for emerge to tell me if the packages are the same version as what I've got installed or if there's an update, correct?
How often to updated packages (like epsilon) break with dependencies to other updates? This one's kind of confusing so let me explain:
I've already successfully emerged/built about 8 of the ~38 packages before epsilon failed. What are the chances that once the epsilon package is fixed I'll have to also re-emerge those 8 packages I've already got (to put it in it's simplist: Are the packages an all or none situation in regards to updating?)

and lastly: how active is the e17 project? mainly: how often do you guys (& girls?) update? and how fast are broken packages fixed in the cvs and/or portage?

Thanks

boneyfrog · Post by **boneyfrog** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 9:43 pm

c0uchm0nster
even tho my primary desktop of choice is dr16.8 my girlfriend prefers dr17 so i maintain a copy of it on my computer for her use. As far as my update schedule is concerned for both (16.8 is strictly cvs right now) I check http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/e/ on a semi regular basis to see what has been updated added or changed and based on that, and if the anonymous cvs repository has been updated I run my qpkg and update scripts. Right now im in the middle of my semi-weekly emerge -uD world so it will be a bit before I can conform if the current cvs copy of epsilon is borked for all or not, if you could it would help tons if you post the errors that got thrown at you it may be a fixable problem on your end

ppurka · Post by **ppurka** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 9:43 pm

c0uchm0nster wrote: Anyways - I guess I just have to wait until epsilon is working in cvs again - but I'm curious as to a few things I was hoping people could clear up for me:
Since this is cvs I assume there's no automatic way for emerge to tell me if the packages are the same version as what I've got installed or if there's an update, correct?

Try out this script which I use to detect whether there is an update to an already installed package (by noting the output of the cvs command). If there has been an update, then that package is emerged, and all other packages which are listed after that package are also emerged(since they depend on that package). However, you should add the additional packages you want to emerge to that list in the correct order. (The list of packages, E_LIST, in that script are the ones which I use and there are many more packages of enlightenment available).
Also, that script backs up the current cvs files so that you can revert to the older packages in case you get a compilation error (in my sytem the backup directory is /mnt/backups). However, I think the e17-pkg script on page 6 of this very thread is a better way of backing up your current installation.

How often to updated packages (like epsilon) break with dependencies to other updates? This one's kind of confusing so let me explain:
I've already successfully emerged/built about 8 of the ~38 packages before epsilon failed. What are the chances that once the epsilon package is fixed I'll have to also re-emerge those 8 packages I've already got (to put it in it's simplist: Are the packages an all or none situation in regards to updating?)

I think one should update all packages which depend on a package which you have just updated. Thus, if you update epsilon then you should update all packages which are listed after epsilon in this list .

and lastly: how active is the e17 project? mainly: how often do you guys (& girls?) update? and how fast are broken packages fixed in the cvs and/or portage?

Thanks

You can check the cvs commits at http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/e/ They are updated daily, so I think the enlightenment project is very active.

c0uchm0nster · Post by **c0uchm0nster** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 9:54 pm

Thanks for the speedy reply & script - I'll check it out in a bit.

I solved my epsilon problem, which wasn't a broken cvs after all... I just hadn't scrolled up far enough in the build log to find the first error - which is that it couldn't find edje.h - because on e17-pkg and on get-e.org edje is listed after epsilon even though epsilon aparrently depends on it (i also moved up embryo to right before edje & epsilon)

so far it all seems to be working now - epsilon compiled fine after i got edje & embryo

ppurka · Post by **ppurka** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 10:12 pm

I have noticed a lot of commits to efsd lately. But it is not even mentioned in the get-e.org package list. Is it some new component of e17? There doesn't seem to be any package in portage either, by the name of efsd.
TIA

Cinder6 · Post by **Cinder6** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 11:04 pm

Well, I got it working, and I am very impressed

Only problem I have is emblem segfaults, but I can use e17setroot, so it is ok.

Hopefully, in the next few commits, it will become a little more functional...or maybe I should tone down my CFLAGS/LDFLAGS...

CFLAGS="-O3 -march=athlon64 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -momit-leaf-frame-pointer -ftracer -fforce-addr"
LDFLAGS="-Wl,-O1 -Wl,--sort-common -z combreloc -Wl,--enable-new-dtags"

I will try some saner CFLAGS right now.

EDIT: The one thing that will probably keep me from using E17 as a default is it doesn't tell me what the current operation is on my aterm, like xfce does. Nice to have it say emerge progress in the title bar (like "emerging package 1/25").

EDIT2: Well, conservative CFLAGS didn't do the trick. Switching back to my insane ones

EDIT3: Heh, now my terminal has the emerge stats on the title bar...weird. Anyways..

How come when I minimize a window (iconify), it doesn't show up on iBar? I have to go to the main menu (left-click), Windows option, and check the one I want to restore. Working as intended?

vrln · Post by **vrln** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 8:33 am

ppurka wrote:I have noticed a lot of commits to efsd lately. But it is not even mentioned in the get-e.org package list. Is it some new component of e17? There doesn't seem to be any package in portage either, by the name of efsd.
TIA

It's an enlightened filesystem daemon - it's not in use by any application yet, but in the future it'll be used for various things. Currently there is no point installing it, from a users point of view at least.

JoeG · Post by **JoeG** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 12:18 pm

Cinder6 wrote: EDIT2: Well, conservative CFLAGS didn't do the trick. Switching back to my insane ones

Careful of CFLAG useage. Some of them are added by your -O* options and manually adding them is just redundant. Some of them are known to break things...badly. You might check this page for gcc optimizations, or simply:

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info --file=gcc --node="Optimize Options"

Happy compiling!
JoeG

P.S. I tried using

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--make-my-system-teh-l33t

in my CFLAGS and it didn't work out for me

Cinder6 · Post by **Cinder6** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 5:44 pm

lol, thx.

linerminator · Post by **linerminator** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 5:57 pm

well, after a few days of happy e17'ing, the thing started to segfault. not sure exactly how critical that is, since a simple restart seems to take care of things.

whats bothering me is today it started displaying wrong-sized windows, so to speak. firing up firefox yields a 5x3 cm. window, while the window prompting for the passwd. in thunderbird fills the whole screen. once it refused to fire up xmms from the ibar - stupid me, dont remember the message. other than that no real problems.

are these known issues? i presume it may have something to do with me emerging some new stuff and adding custom icons for these applications to the ibar, although the applications are not "atypical", all are stable, and the whole thing was done by the book. my knowledge of gentoo is far too restricted for me to mess with cflags - meaning i havent - so that cant be an issue.

how does one go about protecting the system and minimizing any damage that may occur?

JoeG · Post by **JoeG** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 11:42 pm

linerminator wrote:how does one go about protecting the system and minimizing any damage that may occur?

Sounds like your configuration is screwy. Make a backup of your ~/.e directory and then

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rm -rf ~/.e/e/config

exit enlightenment and log back in.

vrln · Post by **vrln** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 8:59 am

Cinder6 wrote: maybe I should tone down my CFLAGS/LDFLAGS...

CFLAGS="-O3 -march=athlon64 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -momit-leaf-frame-pointer -ftracer -fforce-addr"
LDFLAGS="-Wl,-O1 -Wl,--sort-common -z combreloc -Wl,--enable-new-dtags"

I will try some saner CFLAGS right now.

EDIT: The one thing that will probably keep me from using E17 as a default is it doesn't tell me what the current operation is on my aterm, like xfce does. Nice to have it say emerge progress in the title bar (like "emerging package 1/25").

EDIT2: Well, conservative CFLAGS didn't do the trick. Switching back to my insane ones

EDIT3: Heh, now my terminal has the emerge stats on the title bar...weird. Anyways..

How come when I minimize a window (iconify), it doesn't show up on iBar? I have to go to the main menu (left-click), Windows option, and check the one I want to restore. Working as intended?

Those CFLAGS will definately get you a broken system, not just E17. As for IBar, yes, it's just an application launcher - it doesn't function as a taskbar at all. Try loading the IBox module instead.

linerminator · Post by **linerminator** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 11:33 pm

JoeG wrote: Sounds like your configuration is screwy. Make a backup of your ~/.e directory and then
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rm -rf ~/.e/e/config
exit enlightenment and log back in.

thanks for the tip - unfortunately no luck. now the thing segfaults every time i fire up anything...

Cinder6 · Post by **Cinder6** » Sat Aug 13, 2005 12:30 am

vrln wrote:
Cinder6 wrote: maybe I should tone down my CFLAGS/LDFLAGS...

CFLAGS="-O3 -march=athlon64 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -momit-leaf-frame-pointer -ftracer -fforce-addr"
LDFLAGS="-Wl,-O1 -Wl,--sort-common -z combreloc -Wl,--enable-new-dtags"

I will try some saner CFLAGS right now.

EDIT: The one thing that will probably keep me from using E17 as a default is it doesn't tell me what the current operation is on my aterm, like xfce does. Nice to have it say emerge progress in the title bar (like "emerging package 1/25").

EDIT2: Well, conservative CFLAGS didn't do the trick. Switching back to my insane ones

EDIT3: Heh, now my terminal has the emerge stats on the title bar...weird. Anyways..

How come when I minimize a window (iconify), it doesn't show up on iBar? I have to go to the main menu (left-click), Windows option, and check the one I want to restore. Working as intended?
Those CFLAGS will definately get you a broken system, not just E17. As for IBar, yes, it's just an application launcher - it doesn't function as a taskbar at all. Try loading the IBox module instead.

Thanks, I will look into iBox. As for my CFLAGS, I guess I could ditch -ftracer and -fforce-addr

ppurka · Post by **ppurka** » Sat Aug 13, 2005 2:23 am

Cinder6 wrote:Thanks, I will look into iBox. As for my CFLAGS, I guess I could ditch -ftracer and -fforce-addr

I have an x86 system with those two flags in my CFLAGS, but I have never faced any problems. I think it is probably your LDFLAGS which are giving you those problems. ( I might be very wrong though. )

Cinder6 · Post by **Cinder6** » Sat Aug 13, 2005 5:17 am

My LDFLAGS, according to gentoo-wiki, are supposed to be pretty safe, and I have only had problems with them when it comes to WINE. Though, E17 might be a new one. I will try recompiling without them...

JoeG · Post by **JoeG** » Sat Aug 13, 2005 3:28 pm

linerminator wrote:
JoeG wrote: Sounds like your configuration is screwy. Make a backup of your ~/.e directory and then
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rm -rf ~/.e/e/config
exit enlightenment and log back in.
thanks for the tip - unfortunately no luck. now the thing segfaults every time i fire up anything...

Have you updated from CVS with saner CFLAGS (perhaps with only -O2 -march=athlon64)? CVS is updated pretty often, so maybe....