Im totally newb to Linux Gentoo, Few questions to help me...

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ansient · Post by **ansient** » Sun Jun 26, 2005 2:15 am

suzukiman730 wrote:Huh well win rar says it is lol..

What is? The stage file? You don't need that until later. Please follow the handbook.

ok anyways i should do stage 3.... in pros and cons it says its the crappiest one

Ignore that.

Now fill in your nameserver(s) using the following as a template. Make sure you substitute ${NAMESERVER1} and ${NAMESERVER2} with the appropriate nameserver addresses:

Code Listing 23: /etc/resolv.conf template

nameserver ${NAMESERVER1}
nameserver ${NAMESERVER2}

nameserver??

You're probably using dhcp. Boot the livecd and check /etc/resolv.conf. Or you can get your DNS servers from windows with "ifconfig /all"

/dev/hda1 ext2 32M Boot partition
/dev/hda2 (swap) 512M Swap partition
/dev/hda3 ext3 Rest of the disk Root partition

Rest of disK??? so ill have 0 hd wtf?

I don't understand the question.

And do i need to wipe all my partitions before install? as it says here
Removing all Partitions

We will first remove all existing partitions from the disk. Type d to delete a partition. For instance, to delete an existing /dev/hda1:
Wut do i do for partitions wuts like a good thing for my specs ????]/quote]

The handbook explains this. Note that if you wipe your current partition, you are effectively wiping windows and will loose all your files.

Last but not least
Depending on your installation medium, you have a couple of tools available to download a stage. If you have links2 available, then you can immediately surf to the Gentoo mirrorlist and choose a mirror close to you.
Does the boot cd have links2 already?

Try it and see.

suzukiman730 · Post by **suzukiman730** » Sun Jun 26, 2005 2:21 am

What is? The stage file? You don't need that until later. Please follow the handbook.

Not the stage file it says the whole iso is a rar lol\

Man i suck at linux lmfao

Go to the mountpoint where you mounted your filesystem (most likely /mnt/gentoo):

mount??? the handbook never mentioned this.

I gotta print this handbook man i cant memorize all the commands lol.

The handbook said i need configured files before i start installing......

Doesnt the handbook do all that lol

The CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS variables define the optimization flags for the gcc C and C++ compiler respectively

What are CFLAGS?? this linux gentoo handbook doesnt explain alot.

ansient · Post by **ansient** » Sun Jun 26, 2005 2:27 am

suzukiman730 wrote:
What is? The stage file? You don't need that until later. Please follow the handbook.
Not the stage file it says the whole iso is a rar lol\

Man i suck at linux lmfao

Go to the mountpoint where you mounted your filesystem (most likely /mnt/gentoo):
mount??? the handbook never mentioned this.

I gotta print this handbook man i cant memorize all the commands lol.

The handbook said i need configured files before i start installing......
Doesnt the handbook do all that lol

Oh, winrar opens .isos I guess. Ignore this. You can burn the .iso to a CDR with many free programs, such as DVD Decrypter.

Mounting is thoroughly covered by the handbook.

Print the handbook. Put it under your pillow and read devotionals every night...

suzukiman730 · Post by **suzukiman730** » Sun Jun 26, 2005 2:32 am

Ok i will=D This is soo interesting to me i cant stop reading it no joke.
but its hard lol

Code Listing 18: Defining the CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS variable

CFLAGS="-march=athlon-xp -pipe -O2" # AMD64 users should use march=k8
CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}" # Use the same settings for both variables

I dont get the FLAGS?? they dont tell me wut to put for ${CFLAGS}

but we provide a nice tool called mirrorselect which provides you with a nice interface to select the mirrors you want.

Code Listing 1: Using mirrorselect for the GENTOO_MIRRORS variable

Are all these tools and stuff there talking about, like they say go to mirrors and stuff. Is it already on the universal iso x86??

Hey if i mess up on the install how can i get back to windows xp to ask questions lol does it show that blue screen like the other guy said before windows or linux starts even if linux isnt fully installed??? And if im half done installing linux and i exit and go to windows xp can i continue from were i left off? ty

jlpence · Post by **jlpence** » Sun Jun 26, 2005 2:42 am

I hate to say this, but I think jumping feet first into Gentoo might not be the best thing for you to do. Some of the things Gentoo forces you to set up by hand (such as the X server, and possibly your net connection) can be rather tricky at times even for the experienced user. As is you're trying to take on the whole world at once without reading the manual, and I can only see a lot of fustration coming from this.

You need to start by learning the basics, and for that almost any GNU/Linux distro will do. Personally, if you're afraid of mucking up your hard drive then I would suggest downloading a live cd such as Knoppix. You burn the CD, pop it in your drive, and reboot. The entire OS runs from disk so you don't have to worry about mucking anything up.

If you want to have it installed on your hard drive, then I've found Ubuntu to be a wonderful distro that "just works".

Note that in order to install a GNU/Linux distro to your system you're going to have to resize your Window partition. This means either:

Backing up your windows stuff, deleting your existing partitions, recreating the partitions so you have space for both operating systems, and reinstalling Windows. Or...
Using a tool to resize the partition without having to wipe the drive. So far GNU's NTFS support is minimal, considering how secret MS has kept the specs. Therefore, you will need to hunt down a tool to do that in Windows. Since I don't use non-free software, I haven't the faintest clue how to help you here.

I love Gentoo. It fits my needs beautifully and I wouldn't dream of using another distro. However, I personally do not see it fitting your needs at this time, as it is geared towards those who already have at the very least some basic GNU/Linux experience.

Gentoo dumps you face first into the inner workings of the OS, and right now you don't even really know what the OS is. I strongly suggest you find a more user-friendly distro and learn how to use it first.

suzukiman730 · Post by **suzukiman730** » Sun Jun 26, 2005 2:45 am

So ill just read some distros manuasl then go from there? Gentoo doesnt seem to hard except for the things u said were difficult for expert users i agree there lol net connection doesnt seem to hard but the X serv hm.

And can u answer are the files they ask u to download already on the universal disk?

Whts the diff of distros and gentoo?? I thought gentoo was easier dam\

Unbuntu seems harder then gentoo dude, gentoo is layed out way better and easier to understand threw manual......

suzukiman730 · Post by **suzukiman730** » Sun Jun 26, 2005 5:11 am

^^^^^^^^^

suzukiman730 · Post by **suzukiman730** » Sun Jun 26, 2005 7:34 am

Thanks for all the help so far ansient,c0vert,and jlpence

edit_21 · Post by **edit_21** » Sun Jun 26, 2005 8:44 am

suzukiman730 I remember many moons ago finding gentoo and trying my first blind install, here are a few pointers on how I first started.

-Found some local people who already had gentoo, talked to them to see if they could spare me some time.
-Downloaded the gentoo handbook in my native language and printed it out and put it in a binder so I could follow it.
-Researched my computers hardware, looking for whch chipsetts certain controlers where, Hard disk, video,sound, usb, serial, mouse keyboard = these all need support in your kernel.
-went through the handbook, with a highliter pen , marking all the command lines that I will have to use for my spesific installation.
-learned howto set up sshd and irssi (ssh server deamon and irc chat aplication) so i could ask for help and allow someone to remotely log in and help.
-went through the hand book while installing, ticking off items as I went on, its easy to miss a command line and atleast one can check. I still do this today , humans make mistakes.
-tried and tried again to get the boot loader to work,

then swiched to lilo (Thanks Griz)
-Never spend time installing when tired, you will make silly mistakes.
-get a good book, emerging and building certain packages takes forever on slow systems.

Thats about it , It took me 3 months and about 10 installs n different machines for me to be quite confident , but I still ask for help most days , luckily I have 2 great friends who help me, all be it from across the pond.

Hope this helps some people out there, organisation is the best possible way to get gentoo up, I find anyhow.Im still a noob , but learning fast thanks to the gentoo comunity, #gentoo on freenode is also a great place to get support, theres always a bunch of guru's hanging out there.

Peace,

edit_21

pulzed · Post by **pulzed** » Sun Jun 26, 2005 9:01 am

I agree with jlpence. A livecd like knoppix is a good and fast way to start learning basics without screwing up your windows partition. You dont have to install anything. Just find the iso. Download it. Burn it. Boot it. It's portable too. Give it a try.

c0vert · Post by **c0vert** » Sun Jun 26, 2005 7:23 pm

its possible that you got the liveCD from some site that has the iso file compressed into a rar. so if the file is LiveCD.iso.rar then you have to unzip it. then burn it. But if its liveCD.rar , than asient is probably right and just burn that to a disk.

herbkohl · Post by **herbkohl** » Sun Jun 26, 2005 7:57 pm

c0vert wrote:its possible that you got the liveCD from some site that has the iso file compressed into a rar. so if the file is LiveCD.iso.rar then you have to unzip it. then burn it. But if its liveCD.rar , than asient is probably right and just burn that to a disk.

Ansient is right; winrar opens .iso files

c0vert · Post by **c0vert** » Sun Jun 26, 2005 9:32 pm

i know it does, but i've downloaded some iso's that are compressed as well.
I.e. phlak.iso.rar

suzukiman730 · Post by **suzukiman730** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 3:07 am

I thought gentoo installed all ur kernels automaticlly with stage 3 ?? So it says all hardware will be auto matically installed, if it doesnt u gotta do it manualy. If not that will be hard for every hardware driver.

If you quit during gentoo installation can u resume were u left off or will it be all screwed up.

bliss · Post by **bliss** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 3:25 am

you basically need to start the gentoo installation and finish when you have the base os installed. If you need to learn this for a job you may want to apply for it in a few months (give your self learning time). I have installed gentoo may be 5 -6 times and still I come un stuck all the time ,

if the job you are going for is a Linux admin job perhaps you should start with a distro that is install user friendly.

jmbsvicetto · Post by **jmbsvicetto** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 4:08 am

Hi.

I would also recommend that your start with other distro.
If you don't have a computer to spare, use [k|g]noppix - it offers the benefit that you can use almost any computer to 'play' with it. If you have a computer to spare or when you are confident enough, try SuSE or Ubuntu. I particularly like SuSE, my previous distro, and have heard many good things about Ubuntu as an intro distro. After a few weeks or months, when you gain the confidence and knowledge, try gentoo.

suzukiman730 · Post by **suzukiman730** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 4:28 am

I find other distros harder such as knoppix cuz theres like no tutorial!!

jmbsvicetto · Post by **jmbsvicetto** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 4:36 am

Have you read any Linux tutorials? I would recommend getting some books like Running Linux or Linux in a Nutshell. If you're a seasoned Windows admin, you could also look at Linux for Windows Nt/2000 Administrators: The Secret Decoder Ring.
Have you ever met the *nix console? Do you know cd, cp, mv, rm and friends? Do you know anything about partitions and disks? Do you know what is the kernel, the x-server, the gnu system and a distribution? If not, some experience and a good reading are highly recommended - in my opinion.

suzukiman730 · Post by **suzukiman730** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 4:40 am

But gentoo seems easier to follow the other distros, longer but easier to follow.

Wats $nameserver mean ip adress, ur host name? or node type?

The default /etc/fstab file provided by Gentoo is no valid fstab file, so start nano (or your favorite editor) to create your /etc/fstab:

Code Listing 1: Opening /etc/fstab

# nano -w /etc/fstab

is nano in the iso?

jmbsvicetto · Post by **jmbsvicetto** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 4:52 am

If you're willing to catch-up and ready to absorb large doses of knowledge, then welcome aboard.
I was just preparing you for the hard work you'll face. Anyway, I still recommend a good reading. You may start by tutorials and how-tos, but a book that you can take along everywhere, follow cover-to-back and address most issues with Linux is a great addition.

suzukiman730 · Post by **suzukiman730** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 5:08 am

yea i cant wait to learn linux gentoo, when i do i get a new job, Not as many hackers, i get to get away from microsoft!! windows xp on your system is like saying "Hey please kill my computer". And when i get alot better ima set my own server up in my house for my family, so like 4 comps off of 1 linux server. And then even later im going to graphic design classes and C++ classes, java etc. Im going to make my own MMORPG and make it cost money per month+ free play or completely Pay 2 play but first ill make it beta so ppl get addicted to it lol. (Some extra cash in my pocket)

Anyways yes im ready to learn awhole lot of knowledge=D

Another little 2 questions

Is nano on the iso??? to open files.
And all those programs u need to install gentoo on iso or do i have to download if so were...

Do i just burn the whole iso on a cd? Cuz when i open the iso with win rar, theres handbooks and stuff and rar files in the iso, dont i need to extract all this before i burn on cd??? And why would handbook be in the ISO???
distfiles , docs , isolinux , snapshots , stages. are the folders

jmbsvicetto · Post by **jmbsvicetto** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 5:21 am

Yes, nano is on the live-cd.
To burn the iso, you need a cd writing program that knows how to write isos. In Linux you can use almost anything. In windows, if you have them, you can use Nero or Easy CD or you can use free programs. I've read on may posts, like the post by ansient, the suggestion to use DVD Decrypter - so it should be ok.

suzukiman730 · Post by **suzukiman730** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 5:32 am

yeye i noe how to burn isos lol.

Umm anyways how do i open nano just nano not a program with it? exp

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nano /etc/blahblah

jmbsvicetto · Post by **jmbsvicetto** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 5:37 am

Yes, nano filename

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# nano /etc/fstab

It's also best to use the -w parameter so that nano doesn't wrap the lines

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# nano -w /etc/fstab

c0vert · Post by **c0vert** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 9:45 pm

suzukiman730 wrote:yea i cant wait to learn linux gentoo, when i do i get a new job, Not as many hackers, i get to get away from microsoft!! windows xp on your system is like saying "Hey please kill my computer". And when i get alot better ima set my own server up in my house for my family, so like 4 comps off of 1 linux server. And then even later im going to graphic design classes and C++ classes, java etc. Im going to make my own MMORPG and make it cost money per month+ free play or completely Pay 2 play but first ill make it beta so ppl get addicted to it lol. (Some extra cash in my pocket)

Anyways yes im ready to learn awhole lot of knowledge=D

A shitload of learning, lemme know if that ever happens:P

Im totally newb to Linux Gentoo, Few questions to help me...

a few use full things to do while installing gentoo.