What is a good MB for a 64b Processor?

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lotw · Post by **lotw** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 4:06 pm

What is a good board for running Gentoo and a AMD 64b (939 socket)? I am thinking of builing a fast 64b system and want to make sure I get one where the NIC and everything works in Gentoo.

ansient · Post by **ansient** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 4:29 pm

Pretty much any s939 nforce will do. MSI, Asus, and Abit are all good.

yokem55 · Post by **yokem55** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 5:10 pm

If you're willing to move to pci-e (not that expensive if you get a low end nvidia pci-e card), I'd reccommend the chaintech vnf4 ultra. Solid board at a low price. I have one, and the latest bios update has support for the dual core cpu's.

scooper · Post by **scooper** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 5:52 pm

I agree that any Nforce4 board is probably good. I've had two, a Shuttle f25n (?) and a Gigabyte GA-K8NF-9. Both work well. The Shuttle was a problem due to the high load I applied. The Gigabyte is cruising along just great.

ansient · Post by **ansient** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 5:56 pm

scooper wrote:I agree that any Nforce4 board is probably good. I've had two, a Shuttle f25n (?) and a Gigabyte GA-K8NF-9. Both work well. The Shuttle was a problem due to the high load I applied. The Gigabyte is cruising along just great.

Shuttle bad. Gigabyte good but expensive.

crazycat · Post by **crazycat** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 7:19 pm

I had bad experiences with gigabyte, like awful support and brand ddr400 memory refuses to work @400 mhz only on their board. Asus are a bit overpriced but have good support. If i had money i would go for dfi lanparty, if not i would take asrock cause i made good expericence with them.I also agree that most nforce4 boards are pretty good. The worst thing none of them supports AHCI yet.

gilesjuk · Post by **gilesjuk** » Sun Jun 26, 2005 9:46 pm

lotw wrote:What is a good board for running Gentoo and a AMD 64b (939 socket)? I am thinking of builing a fast 64b system and want to make sure I get one where the NIC and everything works in Gentoo.

I have an Abit Fatal1ty. Everything works except for the SPDIF which is a known problem with almost all NForce4 boards, ALSA just doesn't have a decent NForce sound driver yet.

lotw · Post by **lotw** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 4:43 pm

I was looking at this board:

ASUS A8V Socket 939 VIA K8T800 Pro ATX AMD Motherboard http://www.newegg.com/product/product.a ... 6813131541

It seems to be pretty cheap, but wasn't sure if it would work correctly under Gentoo, mainly the SATA and NIC. Right now I am not willing to purchase another video card, since my ATI Radeon 9800 Pro is working perfectly. Right now money is a concern. I can get the Athlon 64 3200+ Winchester CPU and that MB for $283. That is a pretty cheap amount to spend on an upgrade.

Headrush · Post by **Headrush** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 4:50 pm

lotw wrote:I was looking at this board:

ASUS A8V Socket 939 VIA K8T800 Pro ATX AMD Motherboard http://www.newegg.com/product/product.a ... 6813131541

It seems to be pretty cheap, but wasn't sure if it would work correctly under Gentoo, mainly the SATA and NIC. Right now I am not willing to purchase another video card, since my ATI Radeon 9800 Pro is working perfectly. Right now money is a concern. I can get the Athlon 64 3200+ Winchester CPU and that MB for $283. That is a pretty cheap amount to spend on an upgrade.

I have a different VIA based K8T800 PRo board and no problems. Mine has the Realtek LAN chipset set though which works without any effort. I can't speak for the ALC850 sound since I stick with my trusted old SB Live 5.1

crazycat · Post by **crazycat** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 7:45 pm

Check latest nforce4 with sata2 controller. You can also mod them into sli version.

opentaka · Post by **opentaka** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 8:06 pm

I cant recommend MSI boards... they are just lead of crappy boards to me.
Abit has really nice layout, speed, stablity. I never had ASUS so i donnno.

KhanReaper · Post by **KhanReaper** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 7:20 am

Since I see that the overwhelming expressed preference is for nForce boards, I am a bit curious about a few things. First, how many of you are using the open source or closed source drivers? Second, how well do the open and closed source drivers work, particularly the open source ones?

I am willing, to an extent, to accept closed source drivers for my video card, but I really want to keep the headache--and ethic-ache--of using such things to a minimum.

How about VIA's chipsets--how do they stack up in terms of these questions?

Finally, AMD's new dual core (X2): does it generally work with any AMD64 motherboard; and if not, is there an easy way to ascertain compatibility?

kloune · Post by **kloune** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 7:39 am

Hi,

I have an Asus A8N-SLI deluxe and it's really terribly noisy. The chipset fan is really terrible.

Ast · Post by **Ast** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 1:16 pm

kloune wrote:Hi,

I have an Asus A8N-SLI deluxe and it's really terribly noisy. The chipset fan is really terrible.

There's a new version of that board out (the "Premium" edition I think) that uses a heat-pipe and a big heatsink rather than a noisy little fan...

Headrush · Post by **Headrush** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 2:05 pm

KhanReaper wrote:Since I see that the overwhelming expressed preference is for nForce boards, I am a bit curious about a few things. First, how many of you are using the open source or closed source drivers? Second, how well do the open and closed source drivers work, particularly the open source ones?

I am willing, to an extent, to accept closed source drivers for my video card, but I really want to keep the headache--and ethic-ache--of using such things to a minimum.

How about VIA's chipsets--how do they stack up in terms of these questions?

Finally, AMD's new dual core (X2): does it generally work with any AMD64 motherboard; and if not, is there an easy way to ascertain compatibility?

I have the MSI Neo2-F which is Via based and no problems.

Check any review and you will see the difference in performance between the chipsets is extremely minor.
(Don't get caught up in the bar graphs the review tend to post, they over exaggerate the differences)

Supposeably all 939 boards should support the X2, if needed I'm sure it will just be a BIOS update.

Someone mentioned above that MSI was crap, but I have yet to have problems. Overclocks easily and has been extremely stable. (Although I've always like Gigabyte boards

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lotw · Post by **lotw** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 2:23 pm

Headrush wrote:Supposeably all 939 boards should support the X2, if needed I'm sure it will just be a BIOS update.

Someone mentioned above that MSI was crap, but I have yet to have problems. Overclocks easily and has been extremely stable. (Although I've always like Gigabyte boards )

I have always had good luck with ASUS boards in the past, that is why I was looking at one for this machine. According to all the things I have read that all of the 939 boards will except the X2, but most will require a BIOS update. Also the CPU I was looking at is the AMD 3200+ 64b Winchester, from what I have read the Winchester runs cooler and overclocks easily, if you want to. I don't overclock to much, since I have had bad luck doing that. The local store had the same chip and a different motherboard for a few dollars less, but it was running the nforce3 chipset. My last experience putting Gentoo on that chipset wasn't to pleasurable. The system seemed slower than it should have been, it was a Athlon 3000+ Barton and my P4 2.8g laptop was faster.

I am just hoping that the 64b upgrade is worth the money, since it does require a lot of work to get the machine up and running. Especially since I see all the problems that seem to be going on with the 64b processors and software. I will be doing a total re-install of Gentoo on another drive, just in case things don't go well.

KhanReaper · Post by **KhanReaper** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 5:08 pm

Check any review and you will see the difference in performance between the chipsets is extremely minor.
(Don't get caught up in the bar graphs the review tend to post, they over exaggerate the differences)

Believe me; I am not very concerned about minor performance differences as much as I am with general computability, stability, longevity, and the ability for open source drivers to work well. If I had a concern about performance, it would lie on the question of how much the drivers and hardware relegate their processing functions to the CPU as opposed to how much they perform the work themselves--e.g., I have seen several reviews of some audio chipsets and disk controllers on these boards that show a major processing power loss when using these devices.

I guess this leaves me the question then of whether I should just act now--or in the near future--or wait for some other innovation. I tend to find it difficult to reach a final decision on this being the point at which I will accept what is offered and quit worrying about what the future may hold.

I will not mince words: Based upon a long period of examination since late last year, I have been reading reviews and posts, and, quite frankly, I tend to see more problems and annoyances with the nForce boards, leaving me to want to side with some VIA solution either K8T800 or K8T890. However, it is unlikely that I would use a K8T890, even though I would like PCI-Express, for it has been acknowledged that this chipset is incompatible with the dual core--at least at this point in history.

opentaka · Post by **opentaka** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 7:58 pm

VIA chipssets are great now.. but VIA was verry crappy before. but now its all working great.

I dont like nforce cause it doesnt do the "CHIPSET" job... it comes with built in firewall brahbrahbrah. it controls whole motherboard instead of being chipset

but, its up to you. both nforce and via are great..

Headrush · Post by **Headrush** » Sat Jul 02, 2005 4:33 am

MSI has already released V9.1 BIOS for the NEO2-F 939 motherboards to enable Athlon X2 support

stonie · Post by **stonie** » Sun Jul 03, 2005 11:29 am

Just got the Asus A8N-E Socket 939 Board with the Nvidia Nforce 4 Ultra chipset and a 3000+ with Venice core. Everything works out of the box.....rock solid, didn't even need a Bios upgrade. On the Asus webpage I read it also supports the X2 CPUs. The board is pretty cheap - paid 95 ........ (it doesn't have a second PCIe 16x slot for SLI).

From my side I can only encourage you to switch to x86_64

I didn't regret.....

avieth · Post by **avieth** » Sun Jul 03, 2005 10:52 pm

Abit A8N Fatal1ty !!! I drool over that thing. Must be great for games. Get the SLI one.

cubanyayo · Post by **cubanyayo** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 5:32 am

if you get a8v board make sure you get rev 2.0 i have rev 1.0 and it has no agp locks but i got hacked firmware and got the agp locks manualy on there agp locks for overclocking . i'm a noob to linux genoo i'm reading this nandbok getnoo and i'm at the nano -w part cant waight to be good at linux and use full potencial of my gentoo 64 bit pc

lotw · Post by **lotw** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 7:37 am

cubanyayo wrote:if you get a8v board make sure you get rev 2.0 i have rev 1.0 and it has no agp locks but i got hacked firmware and got the agp locks manualy on there agp locks for overclocking . i'm a noob to linux genoo i'm reading this nandbok getnoo and i'm at the nano -w part cant waight to be good at linux and use full potencial of my gentoo 64 bit pc

Well I made the plung and got the board and CPU. Of coarse the installation of Gentoo isn't going too smoothly. My main concern about the NIC and stuff isn't a problem, everything worked right out of the gate in that department. Just need to get some hardware/software issues resolved. My ATI video card will not let me use the ati-drivers, give all sort of unknown symbol errors. Grub is a real mystery to me right now. I have double checked the grub.conf and the menu.lst and they are both the same, but when I turn on the computer it just goes to the grub command prompt. I can get the system to boot if I type in the info by hand there.

I am however a little dissapointed in the performance, I was actually expecting a little better speeds, in fact in Blender 3d the internal renderer seems to be slower than my old P4 chip. Compiling seems to be a lot faster, along with boot up. I am still trying to get things installed so that I will have a working computer, than tweak things a little bit as I learn them.

NewBlackDak · Post by **NewBlackDak** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 10:57 pm

antiwmac wrote:VIA chipssets are great now.. but VIA was verry crappy before. but now its all working great.

I dont like nforce cause it doesnt do the "CHIPSET" job... it comes with built in firewall brahbrahbrah. it controls whole motherboard instead of being chipset
but, its up to you. both nforce and via are great..

A motherboard's chipset does control the whole board, and tie in all components. That's what they're for.

opentaka · Post by **opentaka** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 11:33 pm

I'm on Abit AV8, very stable, never crashed with super heavy RAM and Disk usage.
highery recommended.

I dont have good experiences with MSI boards, I used MSpe something(forgot) and the "shutdown -h now" wont work and you need to press shutdown botton for 3-5sec to turn it off.
also, crashes when running fps games, playing videos randomly.
(changed RAM,AGP,PSU) and it was the motherboard causing that crashes.

NewBlackDak wrote:
antiwmac wrote:VIA chipssets are great now.. but VIA was verry crappy before. but now its all working great.

I dont like nforce cause it doesnt do the "CHIPSET" job... it comes with built in firewall brahbrahbrah. it controls whole motherboard instead of being chipset
but, its up to you. both nforce and via are great..
A motherboard's chipset does control the whole board, and tie in all components. That's what they're for.

yes right, chipsets do control whole motherboards, i should said that in another way. i was trying to say that nfroce come with extra stuff that most linux users dont want

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