Stage 1/3 Installation Support - 2005.0/2005.1 & GCC 3.4.4

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starrbuck · Post by **starrbuck** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 11:15 pm

Yup, thanks, and thanks for not answering sooner and making me learn it on my own.

peppy · Post by **peppy** » Sat Jun 11, 2005 4:01 am

i am doing a fresh install right now.... so far there seems to be nothing wrong

YourDoom123 · Post by **YourDoom123** » Sat Jun 11, 2005 9:10 pm

hey am i allowed to post questions in this thread or does it have to be on the other one? if it has to be there, just post a reply saying so, and delete this post.

i'm having a problem getting gentoo to boot. according to grub, it can't find the kernel at all. i have exactly whats written in your 1/3 guide, and i even tried changing it to whats in the gentoo install guide. my kernel compiled fine, and this is the first real problem i'm having with your guide. here's my grub.conf:

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timeout 30
default 1
fallback 0
splashimage=(hd1,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz

title Gentoo Linux
root (hd1,0)
kernel (hd1,0)/vmlinuz ro root=/dev/hda3 video=vesafb:ywrap,pmipal,1024x768-16@85

title Windows XP
rootnoverify (hd0,0)
makeactive
chainloader +1

and yes, gentoo is installed on the second drive, and windows on the first. windows boots fine, but it can't find the kernel at all. any help is appreciated.

YourDoom123 · Post by **YourDoom123** » Sat Jun 11, 2005 9:43 pm

nevermind, i solved it... when i did the grub install, i was doing a setup to both drives. what i needed to do was do the windows drive first, and then the gentoo drive.
so:

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#cd /boot/grub
#grub
>root (hd1,0)
>setup (hd0)
>setup (hd1)
>quit

whitesouls · Post by **whitesouls** » Sat Jun 11, 2005 9:58 pm

brothers brothers... i nedd your help..i did a fresh installation...no problem...it went on smooth...after the installation finished...i reboot...and start the system...everything went on well...but after the colpluggin process..which it showed ok..the screen went blank...any guess why..

Is there anything i should post?? like my make.conf or dmesg or any logs??:roll:

peppy · Post by **peppy** » Sun Jun 12, 2005 4:04 pm

Maybe it has to do with X (if X is installed)? poking around in dmesg might help as well. Is your computer locked when "the screen goes blank"? Can you switch to a different console?

peppy · Post by **peppy** » Sun Jun 12, 2005 4:12 pm

I just thought of this, but maybe you made a typo on step "10.9 Define Console Screen Blanking Interval"

try using this command:

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echo setterm blank 25 >> /etc/conf.d/local.start

which should set the blank interval to 25 minutes

whitesouls · Post by **whitesouls** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 1:45 pm

peppy wrote:I just thought of this, but maybe you made a typo on step "10.9 Define Console Screen Blanking Interval"

try using this command:
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echo *setterm *blank 25* >> /etc/conf.d/local.start
which should set the blank interval to 25 minutes

Since problems at booting is kernel compilation problems..i recompiled my kernel using the live cd kernel configuration.. this time the were zero modules loaded..not even the ethernet card or the graphic card.. any help guys..no error logs..

whitesouls · Post by **whitesouls** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 4:30 pm

i managed to install stage 1/3...thanks to BobP and guys who had helped me... ...i wiped off my hard drive and did a clean installation again..and it worked..i now running on fluxbox..thank you guys..

Bob P · Post by **Bob P** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 5:35 pm

Just wondering -- how many people have installed using the GCC 3.4.4 Guide within the past 7 days without any problems? Unfortuantely, the posts to the support thread give us a good idea of how many people the install DOESN'T work for, but it fails to tell us how many people it DOES work for.

If you've done the GCC 3.4.4 version of the Guide and you haven't run into problems, please let us know so that we can mark the Guide as trouble-free if that's indeed the case.

thx.

Bob P · Post by **Bob P** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 9:13 pm

Problems Setting Hostname & Domainname

the new stable branch versions of baselayout have deprecated the use of /etc/hostname and /etc/dnsdomainname in favor of /etc/conf.d/hostname and /etc/conf.d/domainname. if you install/update to sys-apps/baselayout-1.11.12-r4 or later and you've used the deprecated /etc/hostname and /etc/dnsdomainname methods, you'll notice boot warnings. you can make them go away by following the second set of examples in Section 10.2 of the Stage 1/3 Guide.

whitesouls · Post by **whitesouls** » Thu Jun 16, 2005 2:46 am

well...3.4.4 didnt work for me well but i changed to 3.4.3...but i forgot to tell that..i'm sorry..other than that...it works and the system is more than what i've expected..thanks to you, BobP..

DrDoverylittle · Post by **DrDoverylittle** » Sat Jun 18, 2005 3:16 pm

Bob P wrote:Just wondering -- how many people have installed using the GCC 3.4.4 Guide within the past 7 days without any problems? Unfortuantely, the posts to the support thread give us a good idea of how many people the install DOESN'T work for, but it fails to tell us how many people it DOES work for.

If you've done the GCC 3.4.4 version of the Guide and you haven't run into problems, please let us know so that we can mark the Guide as trouble-free if that's indeed the case.

thx.

I worked for me 2 weeks ago, only problem was with libstdcc++-v3 missing, which the guide is now updated, so i would say yes it did work for me

Raftysworld · Post by **Raftysworld** » Sat Jun 18, 2005 5:57 pm

Bob P wrote:Just wondering -- how many people have installed using the GCC 3.4.4 Guide within the past 7 days without any problems? Unfortuantely, the posts to the support thread give us a good idea of how many people the install DOESN'T work for, but it fails to tell us how many people it DOES work for.

If you've done the GCC 3.4.4 version of the Guide and you haven't run into problems, please let us know so that we can mark the Guide as trouble-free if that's indeed the case.

thx.

Installed it last night, working perfect as usual with your installation methods. I'm posting this from lynx while emerging xorg.

whitesouls · Post by **whitesouls** » Sat Jun 18, 2005 8:19 pm

..2 guys oledi did the installation....BobP ...does this gcc 3.4.4 differs as much as 3.4.3?? does it gives athe system a major performance change in terms of stability, performance or any other factors??:?

Ma3oxuct · Post by **Ma3oxuct** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 7:16 am

Ha, I got all of this installed (without using the regular stage3 tarballs...I used the ones provided by Rob's Jackass project isos

). I am not sure, but every thing is faster and more stable on this system than before. Maybe I am becoming more proficient with every installation that I do, but it is faster for me over 3.4.3 (which I installed using the jackass project isos). I did install this time into a newer harddrive...but they have pretty much the same characteristics.

Thanks for the great guide Rob P. . I highly appreciate you efforts

.

wower · Post by **wower** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 10:04 am

Hi;)

I'm installing Gentoo with this "guide" and everything is okey, as yet:) I'm not really advanced (it's my first Gentoo instalation) and everything work perfectly:)
But I've question and problem
I'm on "emerge -e system"(which works w/o problems) but I've lost connection so it has stopped on 25 step (from 89).
I want to resume this proces but I don't want to compile this 25 programs once more (it's maaaany hours...)
How can I do that?
Where can I dedicate which packets should be instaled as "-e system"? I really don't need compile perls/glibc etc. once more

ah and also I've newbie question:) why "emerge -e system" is "twice"?

whitesouls · Post by **whitesouls** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 8:41 am

wower wrote:Hi;)

I'm installing Gentoo with this "guide" and everything is okey, as yet:) I'm not really advanced (it's my first Gentoo instalation) and everything work perfectly:)
But I've question and problem
I'm on "emerge -e system"(which works w/o problems) but I've lost connection so it has stopped on 25 step (from 89).
I want to resume this proces but I don't want to compile this 25 programs once more (it's maaaany hours...)
How can I do that?
Where can I dedicate which packets should be instaled as "-e system"? I really don't need compile perls/glibc etc. once more

ah and also I've newbie question:) why "emerge -e system" is "twice"?

Did you emerged ccache? It should cut your compilation time... That is what i know and what i do...

Bob P · Post by **Bob P** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 6:41 pm

Lord Vader wrote: ..2 guys oledi did the installation....BobP ...does this gcc 3.4.4 differs as much as 3.4.3?? does it gives athe system a major performance change in terms of stability, performance or any other factors??:?

improvement? no. GCC 3.4.4 is supposed to be a bugfix release. my recommendation is to stick with 3.4.3 unless you want to help debug 3.4.4.

Bob P · Post by **Bob P** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 6:43 pm

Ma3oxuct wrote:Ha, I got all of this installed (without using the regular stage3 tarballs...I used the ones provided by Rob's Jackass project isos ). I am not sure, but every thing is faster and more stable on this system than before. Maybe I am becoming more proficient with every installation that I do, but it is faster for me over 3.4.3 (which I installed using the jackass project isos). I did install this time into a newer harddrive...but they have pretty much the same characteristics.

Thanks for the great guide Rob P. . I highly appreciate you efforts .

i'm confused.

why in the heck would you want to perform a Stage 1/3 install from the Jackass! tarballs?!?

btw, my name is Bob.

Bob P · Post by **Bob P** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 7:24 pm

I would like to ask the Stage 1/3 users to seriously reconsider what kinds of problems they think are acceptable to post in the Stage 1/3 Guide and its Support Thread.

Posts should be limited to problems that are specific to technical issues with the Stage 1/3 Installation methods. They should NOT be used as a place for inexperienced users to seek help in understanding basic Gentoo concepts. I've moved my answers to the Off-Topic questions to the first page of the Support Thread. The index to the support thread now contains an off-topic index for those "stupid questions" that keep popping up.

Please try to limit support requests to those topics that are actually relevant to the Stage 1/3 Installation Method.

Remember: this is an andvanced/expert installation method and users are expected to at least have some previous experience installing Gentoo. Users without minimal skills under their belt should seriously reconsider whether the Stage 1/3 Install Method is suitable for them.

Please bear in mind that the GCC 3.4.4 version of this Guide is EXPERIMENTAL. It is only recommended for advanced/expert users who are interested in troubleshooting an experimental installation method. Warnings have already been posted that support for less experienced users may not be available.

thanks.

taipan67 · Post by **taipan67** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 2:41 am

I'm hoping i don't incur too much wrath for posting here - i'm not doing a Stage 1/3, i'm doing a Stage 1 modified with some of the principles from the Stage 1/3 tutorial. I'm also building a full ~x86 system, just to see if i can...

After bootstrapping, when i ran

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gcc-config -l

...i noticed that the environment had already switched to the newly installed gcc-3.4.4 by itself... Anyway, progressing on to

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emerge -epv system

...highlighted the fact that i was about to re-emerge gcc-3.4.4, & immediately afterward, emerge gcc-3.3.6 as it supplanted 3.3.5 in the stable branch of portage. This caused me to worry that this 'auto-switching' might occur again, near the start of the system-build, & thus give me a system built with gcc-3.3.6 & not 3.4.4 as required...

These fears appear to have been founded... After the emergence of gcc-3.3.6 & the removal of 3.3.5 came linux-headers, then glibc... Here's a snippet from the 3rd page out of 1187 pages of /var/log/portage/2245-glibc-2.3.5.log

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checking version of i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc... 3.3.6, ok

So i thought i'd switch compilers back to 3.4.4 & 'prune' the unneeded one (as per the tutorial) & 'emerge -e system' again - after all, i was going to rebuild anyway. The problem is that i can't get rid of the one i don't want!!!

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emerge -Pp gcc

>>> These are the packages that I would unmerge:

 sys-devel/gcc
    selected: 3.4.4
   protected: 3.3.6
     omitted: none

>>> 'Selected' packages are slated for removal.
>>> 'Protected' and 'omitted' packages will not be removed.

Other than that, the only problem i had was that sys-libs/db wouldn't recognise the -fvisibility-inlines-hidden flag, so it was removed before an 'emerge --resume'... And that's in spite of doing everything humanly possible to fill the system with rice...

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emerge info
Portage 2.0.51.22-r1 (!/usr/local/portage/profile, gcc-3.4.4, glibc-2.3.5-r0, 2.6.10-nitro4-GUI i686)
=================================================================
System uname: 2.6.10-nitro4-GUI i686 AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2500+
Gentoo Base System version 1.6.12
dev-lang/python:     2.3.4-r1, 2.4.1-r1
sys-apps/sandbox:    1.2.9
sys-devel/autoconf:  2.13, 2.59-r6
sys-devel/automake:  1.4_p6, 1.5, 1.6.3, 1.7.9-r1, 1.8.5-r3, 1.9.5
sys-devel/binutils:  2.16.1
sys-devel/libtool:   1.5.18
virtual/os-headers:  2.6.11-r2
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="x86 ~x86"
AUTOCLEAN="yes"
CBUILD="i686-pc-linux-gnu"
CFLAGS="-O3 -march=athlon-xp -fforce-addr -ftracer -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe"
CHOST="i686-pc-linux-gnu"
CONFIG_PROTECT="/etc /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb /usr/kde/2/share/config /usr/kde/3.3/env /usr/kde/3.3/share/config /usr/kde/3.3/shutdown /usr/kde/3/share/config /usr/lib/mozilla/defaults/pref /usr/share/config /var/qmail/control"
CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK="/etc/gconf /etc/terminfo /etc/env.d"
CXXFLAGS="-O3 -march=athlon-xp -fforce-addr -ftracer -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe"
DISTDIR="/usr/portage/distfiles"
FEATURES="autoconfig distlocks sandbox sfperms strict"
GENTOO_MIRRORS="http://distfiles.gentoo.org http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/gentoo"
LDFLAGS="-Wl,-O1 -Wl,--sort-common -Wl,--enable-new-dtags -Wl,--as-needed -s"
PKGDIR="/usr/portage/packages"
PORTAGE_TMPDIR="/var/tmp"
PORTDIR="/usr/portage"
PORTDIR_OVERLAY="/usr/local/portage"
SYNC="rsync://rsync.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage"
USE="x86 3dnow X alsa apm arts avi berkdb bitmap-fonts bzip2 crypt cups emboss encode foomaticdb fortran gdbm gif gnome gpm gtk gtk2 imlib ipv6 jpeg kde libg++ libwww mad mikmod mmx motif mp3 mpeg ncurses nls nptl oggvorbis opengl oss pam pdflib perl png python qt quicktime readline sdl spell sse ssl tcpd truetype truetype-fonts type1-fonts xml2 xmms xv zlib userland_GNU kernel_linux elibc_glibc"
Unset:  ASFLAGS, CTARGET, LANG, LC_ALL, LINGUAS, MAKEOPTS

...and yes, i am using reiser4 as well (hence the kernel).

All that being said, insane FLAGS aren't going to be responsible for this, surely? Any suggestions on how to 'emerge -e system' without gcc-3.3.6, so it will all get built by 3.4.4?

Bob, i hope you'll agree that my problem, while not encountered during a Stage 1/3 install, could still certainly effect others who are following your guide to the letter, & will thus respond to my plea with as much diplomacy as you can muster...

Bob P · Post by **Bob P** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 4:29 am

you're right -- that bright blue post right above yours applies to your situation.

since you're not even following the Stage 1/3 Guide, you're looking for help in the wrong place. although you may not realize it, your problem is very, very different from something that one would encounter in performing a Stage 1/3 install, so please don't be offended to hear that we won't support your problem and you should seek help in another thread.

taipan67 · Post by **taipan67** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 2:48 pm

Bob P wrote:...please don't be offended to hear that we won't support your problem and you should seek help in another thread.

Thanks for your tact

. Having had a more thorough look at The Jackass! Project, i appreciate the time & energy it must demand of you, & hence better understand your desire to limit support on your threads. I apologise for inconveniencing you.

Bob P · Post by **Bob P** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 4:24 pm

if you have any of the pentium classic or newer intel chips, then the Jackass! Project is definitely for you. the install CDs contain processor-specific stage 1 equivalents in the form of a Stage 3 tarball. all of the heavy lifting has already been done for you.