Gentoo on a 433Mhz Celeron

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a13x · Post by **a13x** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 1:23 pm

I have an old PC with a 433Mhz Celeron CPU and 64MB of RAM (if I remember well). Should I dare to put Gentoo on it ? I just want it to be able to run E17 (or another WM, but I'd prefer E17) and aMule. Or perhaps I should go for a binary distro ?

kyPixel · Post by **kyPixel** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 1:53 pm

I've heard of Gentoo running just fine on even slower machines, you should be fine...

xef · Post by **xef** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 1:53 pm

Go ahead!

Stage3 to make it work and later with the aMule and all the services running, emerge -De world to rebuild all the system like a stage1 install.

edudlive · Post by **edudlive** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 2:00 pm

I say put Longhorn on it,

Arainach · Post by **Arainach** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 2:19 pm

Gentoo'll be your best bet. Just up the RAM as much as possible, and bootstrap it with gcc 3.4. Huge increase.

loki99 · Post by **loki99** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 2:27 pm

I'm not sure if this would really apply to you, since you have a celeron, but you might want to take a look at the Jackass! Project.

But considering what Gentoo Safe Cflags says....

Celeron (Mendocino), aka Celeron1 (Intel)

vendor_id : GenuineIntel
cpu family : 6
model : 6
model name : Celeron (Mendocino)
stepping : 0
CHOST="i686-pc-linux-gnu"
CFLAGS="-march=pentium2 -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer"
CXXFLAGS="-march=pentium2 -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer"

...it might even work.

Edit: The easiest way to find out, would be to ask the Jackass! Support Group.

Mben · Post by **Mben** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 11:43 pm

i vote gentoo but i have also had good experiences on old hardware with slackware. i had a 133 with 16m ram runing slackware 9 and enlightenment for several years untill i got my current box. i even had it running openoffice (man that is slow)

spb · Post by **spb** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 12:06 am

Gentoo runs fine on 180MHz mips machines, so 433MHz should be fine. Probably a bit slower what with RAM considerations and all, but pretty usable.

jlpence · Post by **jlpence** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 12:42 am

My main system is a 466mhz Celeron with 192mb of ram, and I can run KDE + a ton of other crap just fine. I've noticed a decent boost in speed with Gentoo over binary distros, so I'd suggest Gentoo.

Seriously, such a system will do you good, just toss some more ram in it. Mine does everything I need to do including video playback, so there's no need to upgrade for me. (The only games I play are emulated SNES/NES/Genesis games, so that's not a problem either.)

Pithlit · Post by **Pithlit** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 2:03 am

Voted Ubuntu (but I could as well vote Gentoo 1 on 3)... see below

/Astr4y wrote:I've heard of Gentoo running just fine on even slower machines, you should be fine...

Running yes (it runs perfectly well), it's compiling times that are going to... hmm... kinda turn you down. X takes somewhere between 8 and 12 hrs on a PII/350 with 128MB ram. But... (here's why I'd vote for 1 on 3) flags make it worth the effort, and with distcc you're all set. And if you don't mind it humm along while you sleep... it's even better. I guess it boils down to your situation.

a13x · Post by **a13x** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 8:17 am

Ok, Gentoo shall it be.

What Jackass package should I download ? PII ?

loki99 · Post by **loki99** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 9:31 am

loki99 wrote:Edit: The easiest way to find out, would be to ask the Jackass! Support Group.

klavrynd · Post by **klavrynd** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 10:05 am

my little testmachine is a 466 celeron with 64 mb ram and so far it runs fine

i runs proftpd, apache+php, mysql, courier-imapd (ok it has some problems with this but it might aswell be the shoddy hdd that's in it) , and tons of other little things i want to test

Boris27 · Post by **Boris27** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 10:36 am

I had a P2-333 that ran gentoo (it did have 256 megs 'o ram) just fine.

But if I had to do it again, I would definitely go for Debian Sarge. The new release is pretty up to date for server software.

djpharoah · Post by **djpharoah** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 11:37 am

would recommend the Jackass! project.

fastest install method yet..IMO faster than a stage3 gentoo install. WIth the jackass project you get a system that is highly tuned towards performance by using CFLAGS that are optimized and tuned for the safest performance you can get.

also it has support for gcc 3.4.3 which makes life much faster than with gcc 3.3.5..
seriously just read the install manaul of the jackass! project...those guys have really outdone themselves...

also this method of install (jackass! project) came and evolved from Bob P's famed stage 1/3 install. however due to the large amount of time the 1/3 install takes, he developed the jackass project which takes literally 1/10 the time to instal

electrofreak · Post by **electrofreak** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 5:44 am

Most certainly! I have gentoo st1 on st3 install with NPTL and all that good stuff on my 200Mhz laptop with only a 2GB HD. It runs just fine. I am also working on installing Jackass! Gentoo on a pentium 166 with only 64MB of RAM. It will be a server when it's done and I expect it to run just fine.

a13x · Post by **a13x** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 3:39 pm

I'm doing a Jackass! P2 install right now. Can I use emerge --buildpkgonly some_package to build the bigger packages for the Celeron on my Athlon XP machine ? I'm talking about big packages like Samba, wxGTK, aMule.

Boris27 · Post by **Boris27** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 4:37 pm

a13x wrote:I'm doing a Jackass! P2 install right now. Can I use emerge --buildpkgonly some_package to build the bigger packages for the Celeron on my Athlon XP machine ? I'm talking about big packages like Samba, wxGTK, aMule.

Yes you can. But use CFLAGS that work with a P2.

a13x · Post by **a13x** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 7:29 pm

Yeah but what about the i686 - i586 difference ? The CHOSTs are different.

christsong84 · Post by **christsong84** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 7:31 pm

I'm all for the stage 3 to get yourself up and running and recompile when you have time with the emerge -De world option

a13x · Post by **a13x** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 9:11 pm

Yeah but what about the CHOSTs issue ? I want to get xorg running fast. As soon as I have Base System + X + E17 + aMule running, I'll start the rebuild but untill then it's a long way for the Celeron.

darker · Post by **darker** » Sat Jun 11, 2005 9:12 pm

I am running e17 on my computer (see sig). I did a stage 1 install. You will probably want more than 64mb ram though. You should be able to get more cheaply, and it will be well worth it.

Pithlit · Post by **Pithlit** » Sat Jun 11, 2005 10:00 pm

hmmm ... I know I voted ubuntu... but now I ended up installing jackass on a 333 Celeron

Ubuntu just isn't for me (it more or less sucks for me, but that's just imho).

a13x: all celerons are i686. There is no i586 celeron.

Vanquirius · Post by **Vanquirius** » Sun Jun 12, 2005 2:38 am

For your needs, I'd probably go with Debian. I don't know if they have uber-latest versions of aMule/e17, but it shouldn't be too hard to compile them by hand.
If you're into trying new stuff, OpenBSD may be cool too.

a13x · Post by **a13x** » Sun Jun 12, 2005 10:04 am

a13x: all celerons are i686. There is no i586 celeron.

Thx. Now I can start compiling the big stuff.

For your needs, I'd probably go with Debian. I don't know if they have uber-latest versions of aMule/e17, but it shouldn't be too hard to compile them by hand.
If you're into trying new stuff, OpenBSD may be cool too.

I will try a *BSD some day ... I don't have so much time right now (except for Gentoo

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