Beta test New Init system, realy improved boot time.

[neuron]

Ok, so I got initng installed, and I'm highly impressed. This thing is FAST! Leaves a normal system bootup in the dust.... I have two problems with it right now, though

1) The script "local" is never run, even though it is properly added to the system runlevel, and
2) Hal does not start correctly.

For me, local.start contains an important script to make my screen show up correctly when X is started. Hal works fine if I just run "hald" from the command line, but adding hald to default doesn't work. If I could get this two problems fixed, that would let me permanently use initng. Right now, since i can't get those two things working, I'm just sticking to regular init, and using initng for demonstrations Anyone want to help me get this working?

1 : probably is run, but after gdm, make gdm depend on it.
2 : what can I say, figure out how and we'll fix it.
try for example not starting hald in the runlevel, then do ngc -v, ngc -u daemon/hald, and see the verbose output.

[lavacano]

any way to make it like go into my bash login prompt?

[neuron]

any way to make it like go into my bash login prompt?

why on earth would you want to do that? :p

you could write a service for it, and not loading getty on tty1 for example. If you want auto login you can also configure gdm to do it (wihch wouldn't need any special support from initng at all).

[lavacano]

im just used to the sysvinit boot sequence- Turn on, I login as root, do whatever like I switch between twinview and non twinview for xorg, then I boot X; kdm & exit its just how I do my computer haha. but how would one make a service to do this?

[Archangel1]

im just used to the sysvinit boot sequence- Turn on, I login as root, do whatever like I switch between twinview and non twinview for xorg, then I boot X; kdm & exit its just how I do my computer haha. but how would one make a service to do this?

Ouch... logging in as root isn't generally considered that good an idea eh...
I see why you're doing it, and there's not a lot of difference really, but it seems a bit awkward. Why bother starting KDM anyway - it'd be just as easy to log in on vc/2 and run startx.

I'm not quite sure why you need a service to do that - shouldn't initng drop you at agetty once it's done? If you meant autologin (as root), that's really not a good idea

[neuron]

im just used to the sysvinit boot sequence- Turn on, I login as root, do whatever like I switch between twinview and non twinview for xorg, then I boot X; kdm & exit its just how I do my computer haha. but how would one make a service to do this?

well personally I would never auto login as root...
I also use twinview on occasion, but I login the standard way, and start twinview on :1.0 when I need it

[HardenCoonor]

I tested initng, too, but it does not support xfs (X Font Server), so my kdm won't start (no fonts). Is it possible to support xfs? Or has anybody experiences with xfs being worse than including fonts in xorg.conf?

[lavacano]

not autologin; you know after sysvinit gets done it goes into a login prompt for bash to where it has login: and you type whatever. Its just inconvenient to type alt-f2

[Mindphaser]

tested initNG, looks very good so far ! but there is still a lot to do...

for example, i miss a initscript for rp-pppoe, here is my solution (far from perfect, very simple, but actualy working):

daemon/rp-pppoe.i

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service daemon/rp-pppoe {
        depends = system/initial net/net
	use = system/static-modules
        start {
		/usr/sbin/adsl-start
        }

        stop {
		/usr/sbin/adsl-stop
        }
}

some other things i couldnt fix because im no scriptor:

- initng inits eth0, but it doesnt inits my eth1
- the script for apache2 doesnt reads the config in /etc/conf.d/apache2 and starts apache2 with -D PHP5 by default, I had to change it to PHP4....

well there are some other things I noticed, but im too tired and drunken to count them all
however, initng looks very promising so far and I will follow its process to become the new sysvinit !!

[StringCheesian]

What's the correct way to install this? I did "emerge -C sysvinit && emerge initng", but then everything was complaining that the shutdown executable couldn't be found.

[lavacano]

What's the correct way to install this? I did "emerge -C sysvinit && emerge initng", but then everything was complaining that the shutdown executable couldn't be found.

I think
cp /sbin/reboot /sbin/reboot.bak
emerge -C sysvinit
emerge initng
edit lilo/grub.conf and sync
then do /sbin/reboot.bak

see if that works it may not there may be other executables/linked files that are removed that the command "reboot" needs. I think you could always just pull the power but you might hurt something if you do dont blame me, but thats what I do.

[FatBoy666]

I tested initng, too, but it does not support xfs (X Font Server), so my kdm won't start (no fonts). Is it possible to support xfs? Or has anybody experiences with xfs being worse than including fonts in xorg.conf?

I had the same problem, so I tried to write an initscript. I just took a part of the _original_ initscript. No guarantee, but it works for me:

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service daemon/xfs {
        depends = system/initial net/lo
        use = daemon/syslog-ng
        daemon = /usr/bin/xfs

        opts="${opts} mkfontdirs"

start {
#/bin/bash
if [ -f /etc/conf.d/xfs ]
then
        source /etc/conf.d/xfs
fi

if [ -z "${XFS_PORT}" ]
then
        echo "Please set \$XFS_PORT in /etc/conf.d/xfs!"
        exit 1
fi

if [ "`grep -e "^xfs:" /etc/passwd`" ]
then
        # Fix possible security problem, turned to hard failure in 6.8.0
        # See discussion at http://freedesktop.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=306
        rm -rf /tmp/.font-unix
        mkdir /tmp/.font-unix
        chmod 1777 /tmp/.font-unix

        start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --exec /usr/bin/xfs \
                -- -daemon -config /etc/X11/fs/config \
                -droppriv -user xfs -port ${XFS_PORT} 1>&2
else
        start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --exec /usr/bin/xfs \
                -- -daemon -config /etc/X11/fs/config \
                -port ${XFS_PORT} 1>&2
fi
}

stop {
        start-stop-daemon --stop --quiet --exec /usr/bin/xfs 1>&2
        rm -rf /tmp/.font-unix
}
}

[HardenCoonor]

@FatBoy666: Thank you. Will test that.

[JimmyW]

Check out http://initng.thinktux.net

[grzewho]

does poweroff work for you? everytime i want to shut down my system it simply reboots. any hints ?

[Erlend]

Hey, I've just tested initng again (0.1.3). It worked before I tried to add/remove services, in that it gave me a working terminal. No gdm/xdm login though.

I made a few changes with ng-update, removing coldplug and adding dhcpcd. It now gets to 90-something% and stops... so I went to tty2 and logged in. I noticed swap, among others, was "starting". initial was also starting.

Is this because I removed coldplug, because some of these services "use" coldplug?

Erlend

[genneth]

Hey, I've just tested initng again (0.1.3). It worked before I tried to add/remove services, in that it gave me a working terminal. No gdm/xdm login though.

I made a few changes with ng-update, removing coldplug and adding dhcpcd. It now gets to 90-something% and stops... so I went to tty2 and logged in. I noticed swap, among others, was "starting". initial was also starting.

Is this because I removed coldplug, because some of these services "use" coldplug?

Erlend

Coldplug is sort of necessary with a 2.6 kernel (assuming you're using a normal-ish config). I'm not sure you need dhcpd -- the net services ought to start them automatically.

[Erlend]

Coldplug is sort of necessary with a 2.6 kernel

Really?! Doesn't coldplug just look at what modules are available, and what hardware you have, to decide which modules to load at boot? I just put all the modules I need at boot in /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.6. Is that wrong?

Thanks,

Erlend

[pem]

does poweroff work for you? everytime i want to shut down my system it simply reboots. any hints ?

That should do it properly:

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ngc -u halt

If you want to share it to your user accounts, I advise you sudo.

[pem]

Hey, I've just tested initng again (0.1.3). It worked before I tried to add/remove services, in that it gave me a working terminal. No gdm/xdm login though.

I made a few changes with ng-update, removing coldplug and adding dhcpcd. It now gets to 90-something% and stops... so I went to tty2 and logged in. I noticed swap, among others, was "starting". initial was also starting.

Is this because I removed coldplug, because some of these services "use" coldplug?

Erlend

From my understanding, Coldplug goes a little bit ahead than just starting modules at boot. It can also trigger scripts and daemons according to your definition under /etc/hotplug. For instance, I was using it to launch cupsd when my USB printer was plugged in (before, this crappy EPSON stopped working )

For the initial at starting, I've experienced the same issue. To counter it, I've removed the "wait" at the end of the initial.i script.

[Naib]

No effing way!!! this is fast!!!. From 55sec to 15sec (using 2.6.12-love1)
this is great

there were a few errors with it (sometihng about filedescriptor >=3 but the forum said that not a problem)_


one thing I have quite a few errors as well as the one mentioned (mainly when trying to start gpm so I can copy the errors)


** FAIL [initng_simple_launcher.c] initng_execute_fork_and_exec(line:369): --> EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!
** FAIL [initng_simple_launcher.c] initng_execute_fork_and_exec(line:370): --> Cant execute source INITNG=0.1.3 Ill think on you, from the beach /J.W., "SERVICE=daemon/gpm" !
** FAIL [initng_kill_handler.c] handle_killed_start(line:110): --> handle_killed_start(daemon/gpm): Returned with exit 1.



equally my eth0 is giving some gripe
* Bringing interface eth0 up
* No configuration found - defaulting to DHCP
accton: Function not implemented

how can i get it to use DHCP and what is that "accton"


and finally:
at shutdown it is now saying problems with filesystem and wants to enter maitenance mode to repair !!! what has happened???
thanks

[dan2003]

Has anybody using initng got the storage media thing working in kde yet?

WIth normal init if i pop in a sd card or my microdrive etc they show up right away under the storage media thing..

With initng they dont.
I have found that dbus andhal dont start, i start them manually but still no cigar. Does anybody know why this is?

I been starting bus with dbus-daemon-1 --system
and then doing hald

The two processes are running but the media dont show when inserted![/code]

[Erlend]

Gave initng another shot. No luck. First thing I noticed is no gdm login screen (not on tty*). But I also noticed no network, even though eth0 should be started. Here's my "ng-upddate show":

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ls: /etc/initng/conf/*.i: No such file or directory
               acpid |                
              agetty |         system 
             anacron |                
              apache |                
             apache2 |                
           bluetooth |                
             cardmgr |                
            cpufreqd |                
               cupsd |                
                dbus |                
               dcron |                
        dhclient-old |                
            dhclient |                
              dhcpcd |         system 
             distccd |                
           entranced |                
              esound |                
          fakeidentd |                
                famd |                
                 gdm | default        
               getty |         system 
                 gpm |                
                hald |                
              hald05 |                
             ifplugd |                
                 kdm |                
       mDNSResponder |                
               mdnsd |                
             metalog | default        
                 mpd |                
               mysql |                
                nifd |                
                nscd |                
                ntpd |                
             openvpn |                
             portmap |                
                pump |                
              rsyncd |                
               samba |                
               slapd |  
            slmodemd |                
           speedstep |                
       splash_update |                
                sshd |                
            svnserve |                
           syslog-ng |                
              udhcpc |                
          vixie-cron |                
              vmware |                
             wpa_cli |                
      wpa_supplicant |                
                 xdm | default        
                  lo | default system 
                 net | default system 
           readahead |                
                acct |                
           alsasound | default        
               aumix |                
            bootmisc |         system 
             checkfs |                
           checkroot |                
               clock |         system 
            coldplug | default        
         consolefont |         system 
          domainname | default        
              dotnet |                
              hdparm |         system 
            hostname |         system 
             initial |         system 
             keymaps |         system 
              laptop |                
               local |                
          localmount |                
             modules |         system 
             mountfs |         system 
           mountroot |         system 
            netmount |                
             numlock |                
              pcmcia |                
           readahead |                
           rmnologin |                
              serial |                
              splash |                
      static-modules |         system 
                swap |         system 
              sysctl |                
             urandom |         system 
                 usb |                
                 xfs | default        
                eth0 | default        
      eth0daemon/gdm | default

Can anybody see an obvious problem please?
Maybe the error on the first line is the problem, does initng use /etc/conf.d or /etc/initng/conf/*.i?

Thanks,

Erlend

[arach]

the last line doesn't look good IMO

[neuron]

try latest svn, we've been unstable for a looong time in svn now, but I think things are stabilizing, and we're closing on a new release.