Does Gentoo need a face?

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Post by **mpagano** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 4:26 pm

After reading this Slashdot artice which concerned Branden Robinson's first report as Debian Project Leader I started to wonder if Gentoo should have similar leadership.

With this new election, we'll see many interviews with Branden and many articles written about him and his goals. Do we have a forward face to the press or are we missing out on good press by not having one?

I'm not trying to criticize our current management for I am a true believer of Gentoo, but I am of the "post daniel robbins" era so I don't know how things have changed since that transition.

Mike

psyqil · Post by **psyqil** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 5:21 pm

Have you ever heard of Martin Michlmayr?

ciaranm · Post by **ciaranm** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 5:50 pm

We've had press coverage... Gentoo interviews tend to be either with the relevant manager (for genuine projects) or with pvdabeel (for hyped up bullshit that will never get anywhere). When we had a single leader (drobbins) it caused far more problems than it solved, so I doubt we'd go that way.

jdgill0 · Post by **jdgill0** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 6:46 pm

You see how long it's taking Debian to get their next release out the door! All the press releases they get and having a project leader doesn't seem to be moving things along any better does it? Ubuntu is on the verge of knocking Debian out!! (IMO)

Maybe not the best comparison

ciaranm · Post by **ciaranm** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 6:54 pm

jdgill0 wrote:You see how long it's taking Debian to get their next release out the door! All the press releases they get and having a project leader doesn't seem to be moving things along any better does it? Ubuntu is on the verge of knocking Debian out!! (IMO)

Actually, something interesting about that... Their project leader isn't anything to do with the releases. That's the release manager's job. I could post some sarcastic commentary about that, but I don't think I need to...

stonent · Post by **stonent** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 8:46 pm

ciaranm wrote:pvdabeel (for hyped up bullshit that will never get anywhere).

That's not nice.

ciaranm · Post by **ciaranm** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 8:53 pm

stonent wrote:
ciaranm wrote:pvdabeel (for hyped up bullshit that will never get anywhere).
That's not nice.

Truth hurts.

stonent · Post by **stonent** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:01 pm

ciaranm wrote:
stonent wrote:
ciaranm wrote:pvdabeel (for hyped up bullshit that will never get anywhere).
That's not nice.
Truth hurts.

"that will never get anywhere"

Sounds more like an opinion to me.

I happen to be looking forward to some of Pieter's projects. Especially Gentoo/OpenSolaris.

ciaranm · Post by **ciaranm** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:09 pm

stonent wrote:I happen to be looking forward to some of Pieter's projects. Especially Gentoo/OpenSolaris.

You'll be looking forward to it for a long time. There is no Gentoo/OpenSlowaris port planned.

Voltago · Post by **Voltago** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:17 pm

If the Gentoo project decides that it needs a face, you should try to obtain the services of this gentleman. Would do Gentoo's brand recognition no end of good.

Vanquirius · Post by **Vanquirius** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 10:31 pm

Voltago wrote:this gentleman

I am even uglier, does it mean I get to be Gentoo's face?

I don't think we need a face.

curtis119 · Post by **curtis119** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 10:50 pm

We already have a face on gentoo. Larry the transexual cow.

Q-collective · Post by **Q-collective** » Wed Apr 27, 2005 1:36 am

curtis119 wrote:We already have a face on gentoo. Larry the transexual cow.

Wise words

SeJo · Post by **SeJo** » Wed Apr 27, 2005 6:19 am

ciaranm get your facts straight,

the project does exist, it's not official yet, but it's allready working and being tested by Opensolaris team members:
http://www.gentoo.org/news/en/gwn/20050 ... letter.xml

and stop bashing people!

greetings

gentoo_lan · Post by **gentoo_lan** » Wed Apr 27, 2005 6:26 am

SeJo wrote:ciaranm get your facts straight,

the project does exist, it's not official yet, but it's allready working and being tested by Opensolaris team members:
http://www.gentoo.org/news/en/gwn/20050 ... letter.xml

and stop bashing people!

greetings

Finally someone putting ciaranm in his place when he is WRONG! That is nice to see.

rhill · Post by **rhill** » Wed Apr 27, 2005 6:44 am

i don't thing Gentoo needs a face in the singular, but I do sometimes wonder if it wouldn't hurt to present a clearer idea of the underlying structure to the userbase/community.

like, I know a few of the more public devs' names, or some of the herd leaders, but it's a little foggy how everyone fits together. things like Planet Gentoo and the Dev of the Week thing in the newsletter are a step in the right direction, but i still find it odd that I know more about the Debian hierarchy for example than my own distro's.

maybe it's just that Gentoo is a much less formal distribution or i haven't been paying enough attention.

Fireklar · Post by **Fireklar** » Wed Apr 27, 2005 9:15 am

stonent wrote:
ciaranm wrote:
stonent wrote:
ciaranm wrote:pvdabeel (for hyped up bullshit that will never get anywhere).
That's not nice.
Truth hurts.
"that will never get anywhere"

Sounds more like an opinion to me.

I happen to be looking forward to some of Pieter's projects. Especially Gentoo/OpenSolaris.

An opinion? You mean "a notion or conviction founded on probable evidence"? That sounds quite possible, but if you meant "a personal belief or judgment that is not founded on proof or certainty" then perhaps what you have just stated is the opinion. An actual counterargument wouldn't be so much your personal belief to oppose that of ciaranm, but rather some sort of contrary proof. Namely, solid evidence that pvdabeel's "hyped up bullshit" will "get somewhere".

gentoo_lan wrote:
SeJo wrote:ciaranm get your facts straight,

the project does exist, it's not official yet, but it's allready working and being tested by Opensolaris team members:
http://www.gentoo.org/news/en/gwn/20050 ... letter.xml

and stop bashing people!

greetings
Finally soeone putting ciaranm in his place when he is WRONG! That is nice to see.

I suppose that makes more sense than doing it when he is right. Stonent, please take notes, this is the kind of counter-example I like to see.

In conclusion, I have a friend named Justin Rich who looks very friendly. I believe his face, combined with his wealth-connotating name, would make an excellent model for the open source movement.

ciaranm · Post by **ciaranm** » Wed Apr 27, 2005 9:33 am

SeJo wrote:ciaranm get your facts straight,

the project does exist, it's not official yet, but it's allready working and being tested by Opensolaris team members:
http://www.gentoo.org/news/en/gwn/20050 ... letter.xml

No, that's a pvdabeel unsubstantiated press release. If you believed all the crap he put out, we'd've had pathspec and portage-ng over a year ago. Remember that pvdabeel isn't allowed to recruit anyone to work on this either.

gentoo_lan wrote:Finally soeone putting ciaranm in his place when he is WRONG! That is nice to see.

Sadly, I'm not wrong. The above link is a perfect example of what my original comment in this thread was about.

coffeeman · Post by **coffeeman** » Fri Apr 29, 2005 12:13 am

curtis119 wrote:We already have a face on gentoo. Larry the transexual cow.

another vote for Larry

rezza · Post by **rezza** » Fri Apr 29, 2005 7:17 am

SeJo wrote:and stop bashing people!

Not gonna happen, methinks

jhunholz · Post by **jhunholz** » Fri Apr 29, 2005 5:52 pm

I'm a bit confused here. So you're saying Gentoo has been lying about the things it's going to do or not do? How are we supposed to know what is "substantiated" vs. "unsubstantiated"? Or is this just some internal disagreement?

ciaranm · Post by **ciaranm** » Fri Apr 29, 2005 6:19 pm

jholz7 wrote:I'm a bit confused here. So you're saying Gentoo has been lying about the things it's going to do or not do? How are we supposed to know what is "substantiated" vs. "unsubstantiated"? Or is this just some internal disagreement?

Gentoo didn't say anything. Pvdabeel said it, and Gentoo Weekly News (who are an unofficial news publication who do not necessarily follow the official Gentoo view on things) published it. Officially, we have no stance on OpenSlowaris and we have no plans to port things to it.

Lokheed · Post by **Lokheed** » Fri Apr 29, 2005 6:49 pm

curtis119 wrote:We already have a face on gentoo. Larry the transexual cow.

Thats the dumbest "mascott" and an everlasting testimate to the idiot who didnt know that cows are females and bulls are males...a constant reminder of just how dumb people can be.

We should have a contest for a new mascott...Linux seriously lacks aesthetic appeal. Its an uphill fight with the majority of people just not caring about their pixel placement.

ciaranm · Post by **ciaranm** » Fri Apr 29, 2005 7:05 pm

Lokheed wrote:We should have a contest for a new mascott...Linux seriously lacks aesthetic appeal. Its an uphill fight with the majority of people just not caring about their pixel placement.

We have functionality.

codemaker · Post by **codemaker** » Fri Apr 29, 2005 8:28 pm

Lokheed wrote:
curtis119 wrote:We already have a face on gentoo. Larry the transexual cow.
Thats the dumbest "mascott" and an everlasting testimate to the idiot who didnt know that cows are females and bulls are males...a constant reminder of just how dumb people can be.

We should have a contest for a new mascott...Linux seriously lacks aesthetic appeal. Its an uphill fight with the majority of people just not caring about their pixel placement.

I like tux. Gentoo mascott could probably be a gentoo penguin