something like foobar2000 for linux?

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russianpirate · Post by **russianpirate** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 3:15 am

as soon as i heard of foobar2000.. i installed it in wine.. runs with no problems or no special configs.. its pretty cool!

dmartin · Post by **dmartin** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 5:08 am

*Sigh*. Madman refuses to build.

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/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.3.5/../../../../i686-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: cannot find -lgtk
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
scons: *** [main/madman] Error 1
scons: building terminated because of errors.

I think the problem is a dependency to "lablgtk" that isn't being caught by portage. So, I tried to emerge lablgtk, but that failed with a different problem, as someone else mentions in this thread.

cmmalone · Post by **cmmalone** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 10:51 pm

What version of wine are you guys using for foobar2000? I'm pretty fed up with Rhythmbox and would love to get foobar2k working under wine, but I've tried latest stable (wine-20050111-r1) and latest ~x86 (wine-20050310) and though foobar kinda works, there are some things that make it totally unusable the big ones being:
1) Mouse wheel on the playlist crashes
2) Stop button causes it to hang and take up a lot of CPU
3) Turning on random while it is playing causes it to hang

There are some rough edges like the preferences tree control is drawn poorly, but everything is clickable and I have to double right click on the album list to get the context menu and I have to use foo_ui_columns for it to refresh well, but this stuff I can deal with. But crashing and hanging is rough to deal with.

Right now I'm not using any native DLLs at all. Are there any hints to getting foobar2000 to be usable with wine?

russianpirate · Post by **russianpirate** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 2:12 am

i use the latest 20050310
not the best, but ok
i wouldnt recommend foobar2000 on wine tho, u cant use other audio apps.. xmms all the way

PS: just switched to 20041019.. seems better functionality

cmmalone · Post by **cmmalone** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 3:13 am

russianpirate wrote:i use the latest 20050310
not the best, but ok
i wouldnt recommend foobar2000 on wine tho, u cant use other audio apps.. xmms all the way :)

I don't understand what "can't use other audio apps" means? Wine plays nice with dmix for me.

For what I want, there's nothing on Linux that approached foobar2000. I've struggled through months of Rhythmbox after I retired my windows box that was my media player, and I just can't stand it anymore! Foobar2000 has gapless playback, replaygain support on everything, not just oggs and not using a cron job normalizing mp3 while not touching aacs, and I can customize tags easily with the mass tagger instead of having to use easytag.

If it didn't crash on mousewheel and lock up on stop or random, I'd be really happy with it. It sounds like people have it "working" so I'm just curious if that means they don't crash on mousewheel on the playlist and don't lockup when they hit stop or random. And if so, any help with what I can do to achieve that nirvana would be helpful, including what Wine you are using and what native DLLs/what version of windows they came from/what version of windows you have wine trying to be. I'm fine with the rebar stuff being messed up in Wine 20050310 (it was fine in 20050111-r1). I'm fine with the status bar not updating and the preferences drawing poorly. But an audio player that I can't stop or use random on is hard to deal with! The only reason I'm dealing with it now is it's foobar2000 and does everything else I want...

Thanks!

Shadow Skill · Post by **Shadow Skill** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 6:00 am

I personally want a winamp clone for Linux, its about as powerful as Foobar with the exception of the masstagger and I don't think replaygain and gapless are built in, but its my favorite player. I use Amarok when I am using Gentoo and it works well but it doesn't offer the level of control I can achieve with either Winamp or Foobar2k, besides its a qt app and it depends on kdelibs and kdemultimedia, great player though. Ah well I will just throw my lot in with Amarok and hope it gets off of kdemultimedia and doesn't start sucking.

rezza · Post by **rezza** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 9:58 am

cmmalone wrote:If it didn't crash on mousewheel and lock up on stop or random, I'd be really happy with it. It sounds like people have it "working" so I'm just curious if that means they don't crash on mousewheel on the playlist and don't lockup when they hit stop or random.

Scrolling with the mousewheel works just fine here, as does stopping and switching to random play order. I also don't have the crashing on adding a directory issue that other people seem to have.

And if so, any help with what I can do to achieve that nirvana would be helpful, including what Wine you are using and what native DLLs/what version of windows they came from/what version of windows you have wine trying to be.

Wine 20050310
*ALL* dlls are builtin native
Wine is identifying itself as windowsXP
Wine is trying to look like win98

Thanks!

I doubt its going to help much... sounds like the problem is somewhere else to me...

cmmalone · Post by **cmmalone** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 2:16 pm

On switching back to 20050310 again, the mousewheel in the playlist works fine now. So it's just anything other than pause that causes the track to stop/change that is locking things up and taking 100% cpu. For example, hitting stop, or track forward/back, or track to random, or sending a group of files to the current playlist using the album list. All those lock up foobar2000 and my cpu pegs. But if I pause then do any of the above it works fine. Hrm.

When running wine, the only stuff that errors in the console are the rebar problems that make it so that you can't move the resize bars in the toolbars. I'm using the winealsa.drv and the Wine Wave Out Mapper as my output in foobar2000. Sounds sounds fine. USES for wine look to be +X +alsa -arts +cups -debug +nas +opengl -gif -glut -jack +jpeg +oss +ncurses -doc -lcms.

Any ideas on how I can get wine to tell me more of what is going on? The process that is pegging the cpu is wine-preloader.

askoff · Post by **askoff** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 2:40 pm

About dithering I think it's also verry good feature with 16 bit or lower outputs. When dithering is done as it should be with good noise shaping it actualy lowers the noise floor. Normal 16 bit noisefloor is near -97 dB and with dithering you can get it lower. How much depends on the algorithm. If you can try foobar2000 set the output data format to 8 bit fixed point and then try to listen songs with and without noise shaped dithering. There is a big difference between them. Of course the white noise isn't verry audible with 16 bit anymore but can be heard in some cases example when listening very loud and there comes silense or less loud part of the song.

cmmalone · Post by **cmmalone** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 3:47 pm

Hmm, so it doesn't seem it is locking up, it just takes 100% CPU and prints this to foobar2000 console:
ERROR (CORE) : playback thread shutdown timed out

So I guess all this is one problem and if I can get this one thing worked out, foobar2000 will be working great for me. Stop, next track, double clicking on a different song int he playlist to start playing it, and sending a new group of files to the current playlist from the album list all do this. I guess foobar is trying to stop the playback thread so it can start a new one and isn't handling failing that very well.

Illissius · Post by **Illissius** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 5:11 pm

Shadow Skill wrote:I personally want a winamp clone for Linux, its about as powerful as Foobar with the exception of the masstagger and I don't think replaygain and gapless are built in, but its my favorite player.

XMMS? BMP? Personally I hate Winamp, it's merely the least sucky player I've found on Windows. (Dunno about Foobar, moved to Linux before I got around to trying it, as I seem to have already mentioned in this thread...)

I use Amarok when I am using Gentoo and it works well but it doesn't offer the level of control I can achieve with either Winamp or Foobar2k, besides its a qt app and it depends on kdelibs and kdemultimedia, great player though. Ah well I will just throw my lot in with Amarok and hope it gets off of kdemultimedia and doesn't start sucking.

Replaygain support is in the works I think (or planned to be), it's just a bit more complicated because of the multiple engine support thing. Dunno about gapless.
As for kdelibs, to paraphrase markey (author, etc.) when asked 'why don't you use gtk instead of qt?', 'because it would've taken twice as long to get it half as done'.

jimmybfan · Post by **jimmybfan** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 6:33 pm

So in checking out the article about arklinux at newsforge i saw this in a screenshot. Check out the last shot in the screenshots folder. It certainly looks alot like foobar2000. Alas it is a gnome program and I am a kde guy (and also not at home to try and install it), but it looks like it might be what alot of people are looking for.

superstoned · Post by **superstoned** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 7:11 pm

Shadow Skill wrote:I personally want a winamp clone for Linux, its about as powerful as Foobar with the exception of the masstagger and I don't think replaygain and gapless are built in, but its my favorite player.

I don't get this. many people like winamp, I did so too. and on linux, I used XMMS. until Juk came. so much easier to use, I made playlists almost once a day. doesn't take much time, with xmms/winamp its very hard to do.
Then amarok came. an even more powerfull interface, and I'm now used to create a custom playlist every time I want to listen some music... an amazing music player.

Shadow Skill wrote:I use Amarok when I am using Gentoo and it works well but it doesn't offer the level of control I can achieve with either Winamp or Foobar2k, besides its a qt app and it depends on kdelibs and kdemultimedia, great player though. Ah well I will just throw my lot in with Amarok and hope it gets off of kdemultimedia and doesn't start sucking.

Well, I see the fact its KDE based as an advantage, as I can have KIO slaves and the like, now. and its getting better, there are already quite a few scripts for it, even an abx-script!!! yes, ABX in your audioplayer, builtin... KDE will only get faster (as it did the whole KDE3 series, and KDE 4 will be again +/- 20% faster/smaller - it already kicks gnomes ass, and it'll kick even harder

)

If I was using windows, now, amarok would be a great reason to switch to linux. really. Its damn easy to use, can play everything, can manage enormous collections easy and fast, has (python)pluginsuport (and a few available) and some nice skin tools (not freeform, tough, but that doesn't fit its style and interface anyway). and all these neath touches - looks up text for the playing track, gives extensive information about the playing track, looks up similar music, etc etc etc. soo cool... Imho this app is/will be one of linux killer apps. It really fits the other top KDE apps - KPDF, K3B, Konqueror, Kontact (I love the kopete integration - having the msn pictures of my contacts in my fancy mailheaders is extremely cool!)

jimmybfan · Post by **jimmybfan** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 5:06 am

So since my previous post i have returned home and managed to get lindele to compile, quite easy actually, I already had all the needed libs installed. It is very basic but the author did say he was just putting it up to see what reaction he got from the community. It needs some work, such as drag and drop and time display and configurable tag display and other assorted goodies. But it is the closest thing to foobar2000 that i have come across for linux. just in case you want to try it. It uses gstreamer for output and taglib for tagging. for those interested the ebuild i used goes a little like this

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inherit eutils

DESCRIPTION="A simple music player for Gnome"
HOMEPAGE="http://projects.subpop.net/lindele/"
SRC_URI="http://download.gna.org/${PN}/${P}.tar.gz"
LICENSE="GPL-2"

SLOT="0"
KEYWORDS="~x86 ~amd64"

src_install () {
	make DESTDIR=${D} install || die "make install failed"
	dodoc AUTHORS COPYING ChangeLog README INSTALL TODO NEWS \
		|| die "dodoc failed"
}

I dont know what the depends are and really dont feel like figuring it out at the moment, but it's a start.

superstoned · Post by **superstoned** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 10:26 am

if you like such an interface, then what's wrong with the default gnome music player? or with Juk? both have an very simple interface, while being quite powerfull (juk is known for its powerfull but easy to use tageditor, it has the cool "album random play" feature - no other player I know of can do that etc).

superstoned · Post by **superstoned** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 10:32 am

sorry, but I'm getting tired of thes gazillion-and-one musicplayers. why does everyone want an immature musicplayer? because they hope it'll be a great one once? they'll ditch it as soon as it becomes mature, guess that's not cool? you guys dont like stable, easy to use, featurefull, actively developed musicplayers, and prefer buggy, new, feature-less musicplayers?

If you want winamp - go for xmms or beep player (or how is it named). if you want a simple browsing interface, go for juk, if you want a powerfull browsing interface, go amarok. I can't recall the gnome player (muine?) but its a cool player, too - if you want to have simplicity and a non-fullscreen musicplayer (altough amarok can have an xmms-like seperate window, too).

or are you guys afraid these will get bloated? Juk's author denies almost 90% of the feature requests, and is very carefull adding them. amarok is willing to add whatever the users ask, as long as it is possible in a sane way. if not, you can write a plugin... and you can always use an older version if you want to have it simpler... or turn some features off.

cmmalone · Post by **cmmalone** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 2:07 pm

And if you want to be able to play all your formats (flac, ogg, mp3, aac, shn for me), with gapless playback and all with replaygain, use APEv2 tags and easily manage them from within the player (including freedb lookups, thanks foo_freedb!), and never need to stop or skip tracks (please help!), then foobar2000 and wine is your only bet.

No one uses foobar2000 because of its interface. I couldn't care less what something looks like as long as it does what I want it to do. I don't pick a music player because of how it looks. I pick a player because of how it deals with my music collection and the common uses I have for it. For me, using foobar's album list to quickly make a playlist when I want is perfect and foobar can handle my music collection well because I ripped and tagged it all originally with APEv2 when I was using windows and foobar2000! I can't find another player that feels as good.

Simplistic interface aside, I've never seen a linux player that has what foobar2000 has with tagz support for displayiny playlists. I want to sort by %artist% %date% %album% so things are in chronological order. If I wanted to do that with Rhythmbox, I'd have to munge my tags. With foobar2000, it's easy.

Now about that not being able to stop or skip to the next track...

askoff · Post by **askoff** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 8:15 pm

cmmalone:
amen to that. My lossless music collection is in Wavpack format and not so many players are supporting it in Linux. Foobar2000 is one major reasons why I use more Windows than Linux.

Shadow Skill · Post by **Shadow Skill** » Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:36 pm

superstoned wrote:sorry, but I'm getting tired of thes gazillion-and-one musicplayers. why does everyone want an immature musicplayer? because they hope it'll be a great one once? they'll ditch it as soon as it becomes mature, guess that's not cool? you guys dont like stable, easy to use, featurefull, actively developed musicplayers, and prefer buggy, new, feature-less musicplayers?

If you want winamp - go for xmms or beep player (or how is it named). if you want a simple browsing interface, go for juk, if you want a powerfull browsing interface, go amarok. I can't recall the gnome player (muine?) but its a cool player, too - if you want to have simplicity and a non-fullscreen musicplayer (altough amarok can have an xmms-like seperate window, too).

or are you guys afraid these will get bloated? Juk's author denies almost 90% of the feature requests, and is very carefull adding them. amarok is willing to add whatever the users ask, as long as it is possible in a sane way. if not, you can write a plugin... and you can always use an older version if you want to have it simpler... or turn some features off.

Uhh first off BMP, and XMMS are more like bastard children of winamp they are WEAK the new KDE dependant players are the only ones I have seen that even attempt to grant some of the most important UI features of both Winamp 5 and Foobar2000 global hokeys. With either of these two windows players I can control virtually every aspect of the program without ever having to see the main window, or take my eyes off of my work or the webpage I might be viewing. So if I wanted anything within earshot of Winamp I would go Amarok or Juk or Noatun and not XMMS, BMP, or Muine [I like its album art though I always though that was cool but Amarok does this too and is infinetly more powerful. Other than that I think I agree with your statement about some people fearing full featured audio/video solutions. But please do not think of the bastard children as an accurate indication of the actual power of Winamp the children seem to be stuck in the Winamp two era for some unimaginable reason.

cmmalone does Amarok not do what you need at all, perhaps we should approach the developers about some of those features I can certaintly see how having a built in mass tagging facility could be very useful especially since I don't like the mass tagging tools currently available for Linux. [I use mp3tag on windows..Wish the developer would add in a database feature waiting about a minute or two for about 800 songs to load is totally ridiculous when I have seen other mass taggers load the same amount in about four seconds because of the use of a database or cache file.]

cmmalone · Post by **cmmalone** » Fri Mar 25, 2005 1:28 am

Amarok is the closest Linux player I have found, but it was pretty unstable for me. They just released a new version that I haven't checked out, but lately I've just been using Wine and foobar2000 and living with the fact that I have to pause before I stop/skip tracks.

I don't believe Amarok has replaygain support, expecting people to use vorbisgain/mp3gain externally and normalize their files instead of what foobar2000 does, which is not modify the actual file but instead just read replaygain tags and change the preamp accordingly.

I also don't think Amarok supports APEv2 tags. Taglib only recently got this.

I do think Amarok does gapless playback for mp3s. It also has built in audioscrobbler support which is very neat! The foo_audtioscrobbler plugin doesn't seem to work under Wine for me.

I really didn't mind easytag so much. It was clumsy but it did the job. But didn't do APEv2 either so I had to use ID3v2 (uck). I do prefer foobar2000's mass tagger in both usability and support of APEv2.

For now, I'm sticking with Wine + Foobar2000 and praying that an upcoming Wine will let me be able to stop/skip tracks without first pausing playback. I don't know if this has to do with the alsa driver or what, but the foobar2000 playback thread isn't getting stopped by Wine properly while it is playing music.

superstoned · Post by **superstoned** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 12:13 am

Shadow Skill wrote:
superstoned wrote:sorry, but I'm getting tired of thes gazillion-and-one musicplayers. why does everyone want an immature musicplayer? because they hope it'll be a great one once? they'll ditch it as soon as it becomes mature, guess that's not cool? you guys dont like stable, easy to use, featurefull, actively developed musicplayers, and prefer buggy, new, feature-less musicplayers?

If you want winamp - go for xmms or beep player (or how is it named). if you want a simple browsing interface, go for juk, if you want a powerfull browsing interface, go amarok. I can't recall the gnome player (muine?) but its a cool player, too - if you want to have simplicity and a non-fullscreen musicplayer (altough amarok can have an xmms-like seperate window, too).

or are you guys afraid these will get bloated? Juk's author denies almost 90% of the feature requests, and is very carefull adding them. amarok is willing to add whatever the users ask, as long as it is possible in a sane way. if not, you can write a plugin... and you can always use an older version if you want to have it simpler... or turn some features off.
Uhh first off BMP, and XMMS are more like bastard children of winamp they are WEAK the new KDE dependant players are the only ones I have seen that even attempt to grant some of the most important UI features of both Winamp 5 and Foobar2000 global hokeys. With either of these two windows players I can control virtually every aspect of the program without ever having to see the main window, or take my eyes off of my work or the webpage I might be viewing. So if I wanted anything within earshot of Winamp I would go Amarok or Juk or Noatun and not XMMS, BMP, or Muine [I like its album art though I always though that was cool but Amarok does this too and is infinetly more powerful. Other than that I think I agree with your statement about some people fearing full featured audio/video solutions. But please do not think of the bastard children as an accurate indication of the actual power of Winamp the children seem to be stuck in the Winamp two era for some unimaginable reason.

cmmalone does Amarok not do what you need at all, perhaps we should approach the developers about some of those features I can certaintly see how having a built in mass tagging facility could be very useful especially since I don't like the mass tagging tools currently available for Linux. [I use mp3tag on windows..Wish the developer would add in a database feature waiting about a minute or two for about 800 songs to load is totally ridiculous when I have seen other mass taggers load the same amount in about four seconds because of the use of a database or cache file.]

I agree on the winamp point, I never used winamp5 really, didn't like it. winamp 2.x is all I know... and bmp/xmms do them quite well, I thought. But I used juk since it came out, then amarok as soon as it appeared... their interfaces are so much better than the winamp 2.x style, wow.

having more tag features would be nice, the seperate apps aren't that good either, imho. feel free to submit a bugreport (maybe as other authors of tagtools under KDE to participate?).

Yaztromo · Post by **Yaztromo** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 5:37 pm

cmmalone wrote:What version of wine are you guys using for foobar2000? I'm pretty fed up with Rhythmbox and would love to get foobar2k working under wine, but I've tried latest stable (wine-20050111-r1) and latest ~x86 (wine-20050310) and though foobar kinda works, there are some things that make it totally unusable the big ones being:
1) Mouse wheel on the playlist crashes
2) Stop button causes it to hang and take up a lot of CPU
3) Turning on random while it is playing causes it to hang

There are some rough edges like the preferences tree control is drawn poorly, but everything is clickable and I have to double right click on the album list to get the context menu and I have to use foo_ui_columns for it to refresh well, but this stuff I can deal with. But crashing and hanging is rough to deal with.

Right now I'm not using any native DLLs at all. Are there any hints to getting foobar2000 to be usable with wine?

I had the crash when using the mouse wheel problem with the later wine ebuilds. Now I'm using wine-20050111 and it's very stable. My only niggle is the status bar text at the bottom of the screen doesn't update, but it doesn't bother me too much.

DR00G · Post by **DR00G** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 6:12 pm

Lamip is a foobar clone i saw it posted somewhere else on the forum http://fondriest.frederic.free.fr/reali ... shots.html 5th screenshot down shows the foobar clone skin.
I havent tried it out but it looks pretty nice.

polyacryl · Post by **polyacryl** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:08 pm

i miss foobar2000, too. when using it trough wine it just doesn't feel that good as it was under windows.
i just wanted to tell everyone... :)

brullonulla · Post by **brullonulla** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 7:05 pm

Ok, this would be modded -1, Flamewar on /.

, so read at your own risk:

It's almost 20 years I listen to music every day and I care very much about it. I own about a thousand cd.
But I wonder anyway: what should a music player do other than...er, playing music files?

I use XMMS 24/7 because it just does what I want it to do: play the music files I want it to play, by just drag-and-dropping a folder or a file on it and playing it clicking "play". Heck, what else you need to play music? 3-d dancing penguins all around?

I can't really see the sense of things like Rythmbox or amaroK. I once tried amaroK and it looked like hell too me. It even re-indexed all my mp3 collection according to its own rules (probably reading tags and doing bad heuristic)...why? Don't I already have my good old folders? It is pure bloat IMHO. Fat and unusable.

Stick with XMMS and be happy.