X.org Lockups

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blue.sca · Post by **blue.sca** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 8:58 am

now i can even start and use firefox-bin... the problem has to be between sound handling and new nvidia-drivers for me.

wishkah · Post by **wishkah** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 7:44 pm

Same problem here, X freezes, mouse works fine, no reaction on any events (clicks, keyboard). Couldn't try to ssh to the machine, yet, so it might be the kernel... seems to happen when firefox is open and in use, but it's mostly open and in use

. It also seems to happen when I do "something" with the mouse (mark text, move something, scroll...)

linux-2.6.11-mm1
xorg-x11 6.8.0-r5
nvidia-kernel/glx-7167-r1
firefox-1.0.1

Toshiba Satellite 5200-701
P4 1900
512 MB DDR RAM

CFLAGS=-mcpu=pentium4 -march=pentium4 -Os -pipe -ffast-math -ftracer -fomit-frame-pointer

blue.sca · Post by **blue.sca** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 8:05 pm

try downgrading nvidia.

StifflerStealth · Post by **StifflerStealth** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 8:26 pm

How many people here that are having lock-ups have metalog installed? I use to have metalog installed and X locked up constantly. There must be a setting in it that is not agreeable or something. It never use to do that though. Anyways, I unmerged it and installed syslog-ng and I have not had a single lockup since. Try that and see. Or you can try an older version of Metalog, like from around 2002, and see if that helps. That was the only thing I changed and it fixed my lockups. Well, it doesn't hurt to try.

G2k · Post by **G2k** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 8:34 pm

it's no doubt the nvidia-kernel

ikaro · Post by **ikaro** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 8:36 pm

G2k wrote:it's no doubt the nvidia-kernel

What about the few million people, including myself, that don't use the nvidia drivers, and still have hardlocks ?

G2k · Post by **G2k** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 8:38 pm

well...i read that a few people here had the newest nvidia-kernel and knowing that I emerged it thus freezing X twice and that unmerging it and reverting back to the stable nvidia-kernel fixed things, I assumed that it was that. However, it might have been a bad assumption, I beg your and the other few million people who don't use the unstable nvidia-kernel pardon.

ikaro · Post by **ikaro** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 8:48 pm

it also affects ATi people.

So don't go around blaming the NVIDIA people.

hamster2k1 · Post by **hamster2k1** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 8:56 pm

getting the locks too!

Using ati-drivers, and gentoo-dev-sources

Its not related to metalog, I had syslog-n in the past and I had locks anyway.
Now I switched to metalog, just to see if it would fix the thing, and still no good.

I haven't tried to use the vanilla kernel yet...

Stygius · Post by **Stygius** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 9:05 pm

A few observations related to this problem.

I have had these kinds of X lockups for more than a year. They survived my upgrade from XFree86 to Xorg, so the only common denominator seems to be the Nvidia (official binary) driver. I have tried various video related kernel options (agpgart/nvagp etc) and various kernels (vanilla-2.4/gaming-2.4/vanilla-2.6/gentoo-2.6/ck-2.6), but nothing seems to help. The version of the Nvidia driver seems to be largely irrelevant (although there appeared to be more lockups when I used the 5x.xx series).

The fact that the mouse cursor is still moveable after a freeze is probably an indication that it is the X server locking up, not the video card. For the Nvidia driver, having the mouse cursor generated in hardware is default (Option "HWCursor" "true"). When I deactivated HWCursor and enabled SWCursor, I could no longer move the mouse after a lockup.

Having Render Acceleration enabled (Option "RenderAccel" "true") seemed to increase the propensity of getting a lockup significantly. I went from one lockup every other day to three or four in one day.

The lockups always happen in desktop applications (Firefox, KMail, ...), never when playing games. They appear to be prompted by mouse movement/mouse clicks.

My standard procedure when a lockup happens is this:
* Press Alt+SysRq+r (Magic Sysrq: put the keyboard in RAW mode)
* Press Ctrl-Alt-Del (kill all processes, remount readonly and reboot)
This avoids unclean shutdowns (no filesystem corruption). I would have logged in via ssh to kill X if I could, but alas, I only have one computer at this location.

(I do not have Metalog installed, by the way.)

My hardware is as follows:
Athlon XP 1800+
Creative GeForce 4600 ti
Soltek mobo with VIA KT266A chipset

Ricky · Post by **Ricky** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:35 pm

StifflerStealth wrote:How many people here that are having lock-ups have metalog installed? I use to have metalog installed and X locked up constantly. There must be a setting in it that is not agreeable or something. It never use to do that though. Anyways, I unmerged it and installed syslog-ng and I have not had a single lockup since. Try that and see. Or you can try an older version of Metalog, like from around 2002, and see if that helps. That was the only thing I changed and it fixed my lockups. Well, it doesn't hurt to try.

I have metalog installed... hmm.... (although I dunno what dri & metalog would have that would clash, since it's definitely enabling dri & two screens at the same time that causes X to lock on startup...)

Ricky · Post by **Ricky** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:44 pm

Also, I dunno if this helps, but back when I was able to ssh in after a lock-up (no longer the case), dmesg would be filled with:

[drm:radeon_lock_take] *ERROR* 1 holds heavyweight lock

I obviously don't know if this is still the case, but maybe that sheds some light on things.

manywele · Post by **manywele** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 5:03 am

StifflerStealth wrote:How many people here that are having lock-ups have metalog installed? I use to have metalog installed and X locked up constantly. There must be a setting in it that is not agreeable or something. It never use to do that though. Anyways, I unmerged it and installed syslog-ng and I have not had a single lockup since. Try that and see. Or you can try an older version of Metalog, like from around 2002, and see if that helps. That was the only thing I changed and it fixed my lockups. Well, it doesn't hurt to try.

I have had metalog installed since one week after I installed Gentoo (July 18, 2003) and didn't start experiencing regular X lockups until I tried the latest nvidia drivers. X has locked up before but only when it's been up for a long time (weeks) and I have had a bunch of terms and apps open and doing various things at the same time. Maybe I'll try syslog-ng and the latest drivers this weekend and see what happens. I really like metalog though.

ChL@Gentoo · Post by **ChL@Gentoo** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 10:34 am

I have also problems with the new nvidia driver. downgrading helps me.
(Thread to my problem: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-309020.html)

Zuti · Post by **Zuti** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 11:39 am

After I removed syslog-ng I didnt had any lockups (I also removed vixie-cron, but I dont think that was a issue). In the meantime I did upgrade xorg to 6.8.2 (it was 6.8.0 previously).
I really suspect syslog-ng!

ikaro · Post by **ikaro** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 3:36 pm

Zuti wrote:After I removed syslog-ng I didnt had any lockups (I also removed vixie-cron, but I dont think that was a issue). In the meantime I did upgrade xorg to 6.8.2 (it was 6.8.0 previously).
I really suspect syslog-ng!

doesnt make sense.

hamster2k1 · Post by **hamster2k1** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 3:41 pm

yeah, if syslog-ng or metalog that would have cause these kinds of trouble we would see lock up somewhere else
in text mode for exemple. But when X is killed and I run only in text mode, it works fine. No locks up.

So there must be something with Xorg/video drivers.
No matter if its ati or nvidia.

The thing is that I'd like to know if anyone running gentoo and using ati or nvidia
and Xorg or Xfree is able to use X without any locks up.

These locks up are getting me crazy!

wishkah · Post by **wishkah** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 4:54 pm

I've been using opera for a couple of hours now, no crash so far (with firefox it usually hung up after around an hour...ish)

[cartman]Goddamnit, I hate opera![/cartman]

ikaro · Post by **ikaro** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 5:19 pm

opera crashes as well .... I tried it some time ago.

FiNeX · Post by **FiNeX** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 6:14 pm

gentoo-dev-sources-2.6.x (x=>8) with or without -mm|-ck|-nitro and Xorg 6.8.x .
If I enable the secondary screen with xinerama, Xorg get 100% of CPU's (from 5 to 15 minutes after I've started Xorg) and the only solution is to ssh from another PC and shutdown/reboot the PC... Only if xinerama is enabled... The other PC (debian sid) with Xfree and the same kernel didn't have this problem

ikaro · Post by **ikaro** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 7:52 pm

Im really really sorry that it has come to this, but Im considering installing MS windows XP on my machine.
The XORG developers (or anyone else, for what it matters) have no idea of whats causing this problem, and I see no solution in any near future.

As many stated, I also been having these issues for YEARS!

The fact is, I need a computer thats usable, and joke if you wish, but I fear not the ocasional BSOD, rather than hardlocks every other minute.
I do not intent to give other distros "a try" because everyone of them is using XORG.

I'd love to continute using GNU/linux, learning and helping others as much as I can, but for the apparent reasons,
it is not me that is the problem, the OSS is pushing me (the user) outside. This is unacceptable.
So be it, Xorg : 1 , me : 0 ( MS Windows = 3 )

Whatever it may happen, good or bad, I hope It will give me a "brease of fresh air", being able to use my computer for 1 single day w/out it crashing 20 times is the goal, and Ill let you know how it goes.

Cya all around, and good luck.

yokem55 · Post by **yokem55** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 8:48 pm

This is getting to be a bit too common and widespread and I am yet another sufferer of this curse. X locks up, the mouse stays responsive, as well as the rest of the system (sysrq works, sshd works, etc), and the nvidia kernel module spits an NVRM XID error into the kernel messages...... There has to be some kind of a common combination of things between the X server and something else that is causing the x server to go out to lunch. I'm going to rebuild xorg with debugging enabled and see if I can figure out what might be going on.....

hamster2k1 · Post by **hamster2k1** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 9:47 pm

FiNeX wrote:gentoo-dev-sources-2.6.x (x=>8) with or without -mm|-ck|-nitro and Xorg 6.8.x .
If I enable the secondary screen with xinerama, Xorg get 100% of CPU's (from 5 to 15 minutes after I've started Xorg) and the only solution is to ssh from another PC and shutdown/reboot the PC... Only if xinerama is enabled... The other PC (debian sid) with Xfree and the same kernel didn't have this problem

I don't even use xinerama, and get locks up. And earlier this week, I wasn't even able to ssh to the computer after a locks up.

The differences with the other distro, would be the kernel/performance tweaks ? But I've seen others here with the vanilla kernel
and the same problem. Or the other thing would be our CFLAGS, that might be sometimes a bit too complex maybe ?

I just recently did a
emerge -e system
emerge -e system
emerge -e world
emerge -e world

I remember seeing a message from a developper that he recommended to do this from time to time, to make sure that
everything was correctly compiled with the dependancies. So anyway my last emerge -e is done.

I'll see what it does.

TheOneLord · Post by **TheOneLord** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 10:04 pm

Hi, I'm also getting those lockups since last year.

I don't know if somebody did it before but I made an strace of the Xserver and worked until I got a lockup.

A snapshot:

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[...]
--- SIGIO (I/O possible) @ 0 (0) ---
select(14, [13], NULL, NULL, {0, 0})    = 1 (in [13], left {0, 0})
rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, [IO], [IO], 8) = 0
read(13, "\t\0\0\0", 64)                = 4
gettimeofday({1111095466, 646627}, NULL) = 0
select(1024, [13], NULL, NULL, {0, 0})  = 0 (Timeout)
sigreturn()                             = ? (mask now [])
--- SIGALRM (Alarm clock) @ 0 (0) ---
sigreturn()                             = ? (mask now [])
--- SIGALRM (Alarm clock) @ 0 (0) ---
sigreturn()                             = ? (mask now [])
--- SIGALRM (Alarm clock) @ 0 (0) ---
sigreturn()                             = ? (mask now [])
--- SIGALRM (Alarm clock) @ 0 (0) ---
sigreturn()                             = ? (mask now [])
--- SIGIO (I/O possible) @ 0 (0) ---
select(14, [13], NULL, NULL, {0, 0})    = 1 (in [13], left {0, 0})
rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, [IO], [IO], 8) = 0
read(13, "\10\0\0\0", 64)               = 4
gettimeofday({1111095466, 733078}, NULL) = 0
rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, [], [IO], 8)  = 0
gettimeofday({1111095466, 733172}, NULL) = 0
rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, [], [IO], 8)  = 0
select(1024, [13], NULL, NULL, {0, 0})  = 0 (Timeout)
sigreturn()                             = ? (mask now [])
--- SIGALRM (Alarm clock) @ 0 (0) ---
sigreturn()                             = ? (mask now [])
--- SIGALRM (Alarm clock) @ 0 (0) ---
sigreturn()                             = ? (mask now [])
--- SIGALRM (Alarm clock) @ 0 (0) ---
sigreturn()                             = ? (mask now [])
[...]

The hole strace was about 16MByte in 3 Minutes and the last message "SIGALARM" was repeated heavily.

Is somebody able to read / understand this output? If requested I would give the logfile.

I'm using vanilla-sources with cko-patchset and stable CFLAGS on an Athlon-XP Barton.

neoMJ · Post by **neoMJ** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 10:16 pm

I experience lockups too...

I had these lockups for a very long time, and for sometime they seemed to disapper.
But recently they are back, and worse than ever.

I have gentoo-dev-sources kernel 2.6.11 , nvidia drivers 7167.
I use metalog.

Lockups seem to appear when using FireFox (but it's the thing I do most), and my mouse (USB, MS Intellimouse Explorer 3.0 ) continues to move, but the keyboard and anything else is locked!
I need to reboot the machine, which sucks! I am afraid it'll damage my disks.

emerge --info:

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Portage 2.0.51.19 (default-linux/x86/2004.3, gcc-3.4.3, glibc-2.3.4.20050125-r1,  2.6.11-gentoo-r3 i686)
=================================================================
System uname: 2.6.11-gentoo-r3 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz
Gentoo Base System version 1.6.10
Python:              dev-lang/python-2.3.5 [2.3.5 (#1, Mar  9 2005, 01:17:49)]
dev-lang/python:     2.3.5
sys-devel/autoconf:  2.13, 2.59-r6
sys-devel/automake:  1.9.5, 1.8.5-r3, 1.5, 1.7.9-r1, 1.6.3, 1.4_p6
sys-devel/binutils:  2.15.92.0.2-r1
sys-devel/libtool:   1.5.14
virtual/os-headers:  2.6.8.1-r2
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="x86 ~x86"
AUTOCLEAN="yes"
CFLAGS="-O2 -march=pentium4 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer"
CHOST="i686-pc-linux-gnu"
CONFIG_PROTECT="/etc /usr/kde/2/share/config /usr/kde/3.3/env /usr/kde/3.3/share /config /usr/kde/3.3/shutdown /usr/kde/3.4/env /usr/kde/3.4/share/config /usr/kd e/3.4/shutdown /usr/kde/3/share/config /usr/lib/X11/xkb /usr/lib/mozilla/default s/pref /usr/share/config /var/qmail/control"
CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK="/etc/gconf /etc/terminfo /etc/env.d"
CXXFLAGS="-O2 -march=pentium4 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer"
DISTDIR="/usr/portage/distfiles"
FEATURES="autoaddcvs autoconfig candy ccache distlocks moo sandbox sfperms"
GENTOO_MIRRORS="ftp://ftp.ankara.edu.tr/gentoo/ http://ftp.ankara.edu.tr/gentoo/  http://gentoo.eliteitminds.com ftp://ftp.gentoo-pt.org/pub/gentoo/ ftp://194.11 7.143.70/mirrors/gentoo"
MAKEOPTS="-j3"
PKGDIR="/usr/portage/packages"
PORTAGE_TMPDIR="/var/tmp"
PORTDIR="/usr/portage"
SYNC="rsync://rsync.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage"
USE="x86 X a52 aac aalib alsa apache2 apm arts avi berkdb bitmap-fonts cdr crypt  cups curl dba dbus dvd dvdread emboss encode esd flac font-server foomaticdb fo rtran gd gdbm gif gnome gphoto2 gpm gstreamer gtk gtk2 hal howl imagemagick imli b ipv6 java jpeg junit ldap libg++ libwww mad mikmod mmx mmx2 motif mozilla mp3 mpeg mysql ncurses nls nptl nvidia oggvorbis opengl oss pam pdflib perl png pyth on quicktime readline samba sdl spell sse sse2 ssl svga tcpd tiff truetype truet ype-fonts type1-fonts xml2 xmms xprint xv zlib"
Unset:  ASFLAGS, CBUILD, CTARGET, LANG, LC_ALL, LDFLAGS, PORTDIR_OVERLAY

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