Yeah, if you don't know how to use windows, thats really sad. REAL sad.
Like, OMG! You have to update to sp2 because it has bug fixes?! OH NOS!
And yes, IE explorer sucks, if you have absolutly no security settings at all changed. And why would you be typing in the url to the updates page wrong? THERE IS AN ICON FOR IT UNDER THE START MENU.
Linux fan boys are worse than windows fan boys sometimes.
Edit* Stop saying winblowz.
A) It's retarded
B) You sound like you are 10
C) It isn't cool
D) It's windows.
What was that all about? I'm not sure how this topic turned into pro microsoft posts now, but here it goes since you asked for it.
There is nothing sad about not knowing how to use windows. And there's more to knowing windows than you think. I'm a former winblows 2003 (used all from 3.0) user and I'd probably say winblows has as much of a learning curve if you really want to know how to use it inside out as Linux without any prior experience. Especially since Linux works good right after the installation, but winblows requries about 2+ hours of tweaking and configuring (if you don't know why it's 2+ hours, then you don't know much about winblows) to get rid of all the bloat ware and actually get somewhat of the performance you payed for from your hardware.
SP2 has more than just bug fixes. Google it and learn, fool. There's a reason many corporations blocked it from their networks and why many people also don't want to upgrade.
IE will still suck even if you do know how to configure it right. There's really nothing to debate about (except dumb web developers that make IE only pages, even then you could get a agent spoof) when comparing IE to another quality browser such as Firefox. IE was not built with security in mind from the start. You can patch it all you want and configure it for your false sense of security but feel free to google and get the proof of why IE makes systems very insecure. Plus Microsoft forces you to use it on winblows systems without a choice (unless you disable cryptic services and delete it manually, but then you can't do updates).
Linux fans have actual solid reasons for liking it over winblows. Hardcore winblows fans on the other hand are best summed up with "ignorance is bliss" when attempting to argue with them. The only solid reasons they have for staying with winblows is their lazyness and stupidity.
If you like winblows so much why not just use it and nothing else? Not like you not using Linux any more would really make a change on the community, other than having less winblows propaganda in our forums. Alllll that learning and effort, all the winblows bashing, how will you be able to tolerate it? You don't have time to use linux much because of school but you do have time to make dumb posts on off the wall and play PS2 games? And let's not forget just how time consuming PS2 games really are. You also have time to learn VB. Go ahead and buy more microsoft's products and enjoy them. Oh and buy some stock from their company while you're at it since you already got a domain name mimicking theirs.
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Hmm. I find it funny that people think their system mysteriously reconfigures itself and does it's own thing when in fact it's probably a PEBKAC. I really doubt it's "gentoo's fault". It's probably yours... But you're the linux/unix guy with 10 years exp so we can't question you.
Ya know, I've been on these forums for a while and the one thing that I can't stand is the whiny "I'm getting rid of gentoo for such and such reason" rants. Is there anything constructive that comes of these rants? Are they simply a plea for attention? Or is the person still trying to add to their post-count? I think if I were a moderator I'd be tempted to just toss these kinds of posts in the dustbin. They're about as valuable as the "Free iPod" crap.
I've never had any of the problems the poster had and gentoo has been a very pleasant experience save the things I screwed up on my own. I read some of the docs on basic functions, don't blindly etc-update, and everything runs and upgrades smoothly.
My experience in computer OS's is pretty broad, anything from solaris/AIX/NeXT and other commercial unix distros to windows to a few linux distros (redhat, mandrake, and gentoo) to old OS's most folks haven't heard of (Newdos/80, OS-9 Level 2, CP/M) and, well, gentoo tops them all in my experience.
geir wrote:
Yes, I am getting frustrated, and there is a good chance that I will just stop using Linux as my desktop system. It is just not worth the aggro anymore.
I think what you're fusturated at is how modern computer operating systems work. Upgrading software on Windows can be just as much of a nightmare as it can be on Linux at times. Also, I've got various bits of Windows harware that, due to buggy or non-existant drivers, never worked quite right. Really these problems are common place, Windows, Linux, OSX or whatever.
Mandrake is interesting enough, apart from the fact that trying to resolve some of the dependency hell you can get into takes it out of you in five minutes.
URPMI typically handles this reasonably well - fwiw.. have found little difference in "reliability" between URPMI, YUM & APT (just my 2 cents though & from limited experience )
It kicks ass! setup is pretty painless (grub may give you some trouble) but once it's installed, automouting devices, cds, etc, works out of the box! And, it's pretty damn painless to upgrade.
'Nuff said.
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I don't normally get involved in these pointless and predictable threads but this time I couldn't resist for one reason.
GunmanX made a rather witty rewrite of the original post (which was not malicious) and then ratbert90 started screaming and bitching about his post (obviously without reading the original and making the connection ). Aside from the few constructive posts scattered about this has just been a forum for the loonies to get their flamethrowers out. At least there are still people who will commit half-cocked lunacy to print (well - pixels ) to keep the rest of us amused
BTW ratbert90 WINBLOWZ suxxors (and I am 33 not 10 but I have a sense of humour)
I use W2K at work, have to, no choice, org policy. I have several boxes at home. My personal, Gentoo/XP dual boot; son's, XP; wife's, Gentoo/XP dual boot; wife's laptop, XP (no choice, under 3-year warranty voids when OS tinkered with); game box, w2k. I use XP because of work related stuff (Novell BM VPN doesn't like OpenVPN to well, but I am about to figure how to trick the BM into thinking I am a BM VPN client under OpenVPN) and games like Halo and Far Cry. I do get a few of my win games to work in linux and some have linux ports.
I reformat and reinstall my XPs and 2Ks about 5-8 times a year. Makes me sick. I run the best firewall/AV, antispy, anti-everything. I defrag, optimize the registry, ALL the "do's" that should make XP/2K run forever. However, it always begins to fail with use. I follow all the tips and tricks, however, I know I will soon have to reformat/reinstall='the most common answer to a hosed windows system'.
The only time I have a problem with Gentoo (or just linux in general) is when I get a little curious or adventurous or DON'T READ THE DOC first. Then I just fire up my browser on another Gentoo and point it to these great forums, and by the way I hardly ever post to because 99.9% of the answers to my problems have already been answered. I pop in the latest Gentoo boot CD on my hosed machine, chroot to my installation, and go on a very educational trek seeking out what config file I hosed in a fit of dyslexia (or typo if you will) or what dep I broke with emerge because IR Baboon and didn't hit the right -(x) option, or whatever. Then I fix my little Gentoo, umount, exit, and reboot. Then I am once again a happy gentoo camper.
I am a more intelligent, knowledgeable technician thanks to linux, especially Gentoo. I know more now about the inner workings of hardware and drivers than I ever learned on windows. And Gentoo (linux) chews on windows DRM, DVDs, and all sorts of 'Redmond Control Measures' and 'Other Proprietary BS' like it's going out of style. Oh, and I just read an article that Linux Techs in some regions are making out better financially than Windows Engineers. If I can find the url I will post it.
Thanks Gentoo and all you devs who make the future of computing brighter!
hfday2001 wrote:wife's laptop, XP (no choice, under 3-year warranty voids when OS tinkered with
Thats bullshit. How can you void a warranty based on software. That is basically forcing someone to use Windows with a repremand for choosing an alternative. That is such fucking bullshit. I would have never given that company my money. Not that you cant just reinstall Windows before you send it for servicing, but its the principal of such a rule...
In my opinion threads like this are a good medium to attract the flamers. Kinda a flypaper of sorts. IMHO its better to see flames shooting in a post that itself started as a flame rather than having it somewhere else.
“Music is a moral law. It gives a soul to the Universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination, a charm to sadness, gaiety and life to everything. It is the essence of order, and leads to all that is good and just and beautiful.”
I guess in my attempt to show why Gentoo is not '...coming off...' for me, and to present the personal positives I hold toward linux and Gentoo in specific, I failed to make the point of what Gentoo and Linux in general has done for my 'techknowledge'. And through its ups and downs, bugs, my mistakes, and figuring out how to fix it, Gentoo has made me a better technician. Until I have $40B in my personal account, can sue the Great Emperor of Redmond and win, and can post 'L33T' next to my name, I will refrain from slinging 'bullshit' around about EULAs and OS preferences and seek to guide people down the path of diligence and patience which is learning Linux.
In the mean time, I will continue to 'free minds' from the 'Matrix' of O$ slavery and continue to make my original point. If you want to continue to let the computer to u$e you, choose Windows (the blue pill). If you want to USE your computer, choose LINUX (the red pill). The point was what Gentoo has done for me, not how bad M$ sucks, or how legal or illegal they are, or how f'd up the vendor of my wife's laptop is, these things are already known.
Get the point?!?!
I think I will move on to technical posts and stay away opinionated discussions. Maybe I will learn something or help someone else.
"IMO, God gave Moses the Ten Commandments, God gave Mohammed the Koran, God gave Torvalds the Linux. Inspired from above. "
hfday2001 wrote:wife's laptop, XP (no choice, under 3-year warranty voids when OS tinkered with
Thats bullshit. How can you void a warranty based on software. That is basically forcing someone to use Windows with a repremand for choosing an alternative. That is such fucking bullshit. I would have never given that company my money. Not that you cant just reinstall Windows before you send it for servicing, but its the principal of such a rule...
Whats the manufacturer of the laptop?
There's lots of manufacturers with that kind of clause in their warranties.
I see no reason for anyone to get so worked up about stuff like this. Firstly, would you rather deal with a problem every so often that you can fix, or hit a lot of bricks in the wall with Windows that cannot be solved? I do not know about you guys, but when trying to make Windows work for me I hit more snags and did more reinstalls than I can remember just because I wanted a different bootup screen or wanted to change hardware.
I have had some problems with Gentoo, of course, but the difference is that with Gentoo if you cause a problem by trying to change something like you do in Windows, it gives you clues about how to fix it. I recently had a nasty Glibc problem that caused everything to segfault, but I fixed it easily by injecting a stage3 tarball and removing a file and replacing it with a copy of another in /lib/. The magic known as error output, the LiveCD, and these forums made that possible, and in the end it was me who caused it. That took no time at all, and with Windows any problem similar to that caused by trying to replace one of the components or a broken registry would result in me having to reformat the drive and reinstall Windows.
So if you really want to go back to Windows, then nobody will stop you. If anyone wants to use it at all, then have a good time with it. However, do not come back and cry to us after it breaks for some anonymous reason or you get the latest virus out for Windows because it was your choice and therefore your headaches.
hfday2001: Is there a reason that you like to put '$' down for things such as 'OS' and 'MS'? That makes you seem 13 or something, but since you have a wife I assume you are at least 18.
Rules of the forum. 1. Wear your flamebait t-shirt. 2. Miss the main point of every discussion, deliberately. 3. Nit pick every usage of an acronym, a symbol or homile. 4. Choose to troll by passively or aggressively attacking your selected opponent with snide remarks about their age, their looks, their personal opinion, language, etc., thereby revealing your own emotional immaturity. 5. Again, miss the point of the whole discussion.
I mean, what is the point of this discussion? To guide a disheveled Gentoo user back onto the path of stability or to reveal your own instability and insatiable lust for controversy in pot shots and half-baked replies, with no real solution to anyones problem. If the fish aren't biting for you here, go fish somewhere else. I am catching just fine.
Oh, and FYI, Pwnz3r, I could be your daddy.
I thought free speech was intended to give us the power to express our convictions, opinions, truths and/or lies. Not a platform for disseminating vomit.
ratbutt90, oh.. did it get his name wrong. ratbert90 clearly did not make the connection that I was making fun of the original post. No harm done. Gentoo is winning the OS war in my house.
Whoah this is a thread... I agree with these type of threads being flypaper for the flamers though!
However... I must add something myself: Windows is good for some stuff and Linux for others. Most of the time, yes, Linux can do what Windows can do. However it's up to personal choice at the end of the day as well on which OS you want to use.
Oh.. and I fully FULLY agree with ratbert90 when he says:
Edit* Stop saying winblowz.
A) It's retarded
B) You sound like you are 10
C) It isn't cool
D) It's windows.
I realy dislike this type of "speech" if it can be called that, as it does not show any good whatsoever. I've never heard Windows fanboys say things like "linblux, lindux, milix, priticx, etc" instead their "bad words" as it were are mostly directed to "oh Linux, the commandline..UNIX-thingly right?" With this they show just how uneducated they are, and so do Linux "fanboys" who adopt Winblowz and Winshit in their vocabulary.
End of the day: If you are so sure Linux is better, what's the point of bad-mouthing Windows?
Fear leads to the Dark Side...
There is no spoon...
Oh, and it's WINDOWS not Winblowz for those who can't spell
Funny, I just did a Quick Search on the Gentoo forums for the word "Winbloze". It came up with 52 matches. That's a lot of 10 year olds that feel that same way I do about the wonderful M$ product. That does not justify the use of the term, but it sure is fun using it!! I am sorry if I am offending anyone by saying "Winbloze", but once I have used Gentoo, I can't call the M$ product Windows anymore.
First of all: I'm responding to a comment, not the very obvious troll that started this thread. Give me a break. Also, I'll second the Ubuntu praise. If you're just wanting a nice, simple desktop, Ubuntu is it. I'm a picky l'il boy, so I use Gentoo (I was constantly building packages from Debian proper, rebuilding mainline packages to uncripple packages, etc.) but Ubuntu is great for someone wanting a nice plug-and-play experience. If you have a PC and want a system that is both easy to use and has all the usual bundled software the average computer user has come to expect, Ubuntu will serve them well.
evoweiss wrote:
Lokheed wrote:
Well in all fairness, backup a DVD in Linux.
I do it frequently, typically with dvdbackup > mkisofs > growisofs (k3b does a dandy job too).
Also, if you'd like to skip much of the transcoding/re-quantizing via command-line tools, here's what I do: If the DVD is a single-layer DVD, K3B can usually do it. If not:
Back up the DVD via DVDBackup (the hardest step)
Point DVD Shrink toward the backup copy (wine /path/to/dvdshrink.exe z:/path/to/backup.ifo
Wait for analysis
Select your settings
Twiddle thumbs while DVD Shrink does all the work
Open the destination dir in Nautilus, fire up K3B, start a Video DVD project, open the VIDEO_TS folders in Nautilus and K3B, drag contents from Nautilus to K3B
Burn, baby, burn
- fwiw.. have found little difference in "reliability" between URPMI, YUM & APT 
(just my 2 cents though & from limited experience 
)
setup is pretty painless (grub may give you some trouble) but once it's installed, automouting devices, cds, etc, works out of the box! And, it's pretty damn painless to upgrade.
(which was not malicious) and then ratbert90 started screaming and bitching about his post (obviously without reading the original and making the connection 
