ATI amd64 drivers in december...

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Ijo · Post by **Ijo** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:29 pm

I've definitely decided to move to nVidia. My >200 Euros will go to them.
One ati user less.

ryceck · Post by **ryceck** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 4:49 pm

Trevoke wrote:That's unfair. The ATI drivers are EXCELLENT when they come out. ATI's main problem has always been a lack of driver updates (huh? We gave you drivers once already!). IIRC, they have said they would give us more updates.. Now, this may include only 32bit, or even only Windows, but ATI makes good drivers, and they make splendid cards. Restating what I said before, their problem is that they are static where NVidia is mobile.
Of course, their promise here seems to be a no-go .. Which sucks since I have ATI both at work and at home.
I don't want to give up ATI because I _know_ they make a good job.
I'll tell you this.. Most people I know who buy NVidia end up upgrading more often than people with ATI. Why is that?

I totally agree with you. Most people forget that newer isnt always better, so constantly upgrading isnt always good. And with Nvidia I always ended up getting lost in the number of updates :/ Where Ati simply has incremental numbers (4.10,4.11,4.12) Nvidia has different leagues: (55xx,56xx,60xx,61xx,45xx)... I get totally lost there. So they make a lot, but is that good..?

babo · Post by **babo** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 6:16 pm

hm, well there are no amd64 ati drivers yet, and there are nvidia drivers available for quite some time. So I say nvidia is doing a much better job.

ernstp · Post by **ernstp** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 7:10 pm

ryceck wrote:
Trevoke wrote:That's unfair. The ATI drivers are EXCELLENT when they come out. ATI's main problem has always been a lack of driver updates (huh? We gave you drivers once already!). IIRC, they have said they would give us more updates.. Now, this may include only 32bit, or even only Windows, but ATI makes good drivers, and they make splendid cards. Restating what I said before, their problem is that they are static where NVidia is mobile.
Of course, their promise here seems to be a no-go .. Which sucks since I have ATI both at work and at home.
I don't want to give up ATI because I _know_ they make a good job.
I'll tell you this.. Most people I know who buy NVidia end up upgrading more often than people with ATI. Why is that?
I totally agree with you. Most people forget that newer isnt always better, so constantly upgrading isnt always good. And with Nvidia I always ended up getting lost in the number of updates :/ Where Ati simply has incremental numbers (4.10,4.11,4.12) Nvidia has different leagues: (55xx,56xx,60xx,61xx,45xx)... I get totally lost there. So they make a lot, but is that good..?

NO. Are you aware of the current number of unadressed, not commented on, over a year old issues?
Check this list: http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33782836
(that's the closest thing to a Bugzilla ATI will ever get... )

I can add that they still don't support 16 bit color,
and the driver reports that Vertex Buffer Objects are supported though they in fact are not, and applications that tries to use it crash.

Acoc · Post by **Acoc** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 8:49 pm

On a side note the petition at http://www.petitiononline.com/atipet/petition.html just hit 20,000 signatures. A nice little milestone, who knows maybe it will be helpful to the cause.

John

Swatinem · Post by **Swatinem** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 11:05 pm

Do i get it right that the x.org guys are working on acceleration for r300?
I can remember seeing it in the cvs log.
Well lets see who is faster. ATI or x.org

infirit · Post by **infirit** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 11:17 pm

Swatinem wrote:Do i get it right that the x.org guys are working on acceleration for r300?
I can remember seeing it in the cvs log.
Well lets see who is faster. ATI or x.org

Yes! There is a group that is building supprt for the r300 chips http://r300.sf.net . Some of their work already made it into the next xorg release, if you are brave you can build it already from cvs

It is supposed to speed up 2d considerably

codergeek42 · Post by **codergeek42** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 11:21 pm

Swatinem wrote:Well lets see who is faster. ATI or x.org

Most likely XOrg will be, unless ATi opens their specs. It'll be another good example of the benefits of the F/OSS development model v. the proprietary development model...

ernstp · Post by **ernstp** » Tue Dec 21, 2004 6:30 am

Hey, I'm very critical of the current state of the driver..

But on the other hand, GIVE THEM DECEMBER!
They have promised that the new drivers, which will be called 8.08 since it's a whole new series based of the common catalyst sources, will support X.Org 6.8, AMD 64 with 32 bit compability, GLSL, everything!
They are probably working their asses off and not getting any free time of for christmas...

dangertools · Post by **dangertools** » Tue Dec 21, 2004 7:16 am

what does "amd64 with 32bit compatibility" mean? Is ATI able to build drivers that don't run on a pure 64bit machine? And who promised us drivers for december? was one of their CEOs somewhere out there and told us officially that we are getting drivers? i don't believe in december, sorry

ernstp · Post by **ernstp** » Tue Dec 21, 2004 9:17 am

dangertools wrote:what does "amd64 with 32bit compatibility" mean? Is ATI able to build drivers that don't run on a pure 64bit machine?

No, it means that the AMD64 driver will be able to accellerate 32-bit binaries also. That is a huge technical challenge and I for sure didn't expect this feature in the first release of the AMD64 driver.

dangertools wrote:And who promised us drivers for december? was one of their CEOs somewhere out there and told us officially that we are getting drivers? i don't believe in december, sorry

* Terry Makedon - Senior Product Manager
* Jon Carvill - Public Relations Manager
* Matthew Tippett - Linux Software Manager

If you haven't even heard about the interview that's mentioned many times in this thread, I suggest you read the thread from the start, and read the interview here:
http://www.rage3d.com/index.php?node=ge ... ats%2F&p=4
Then you have a right to post about this.

zinion · Post by **zinion** » Tue Dec 21, 2004 9:28 am

Trevoke wrote:That's unfair. The ATI drivers are EXCELLENT when they come out. ATI's main problem has always been a lack of driver updates (huh? We gave you drivers once already!). IIRC, they have said they would give us more updates.. Now, this may include only 32bit, or even only Windows, but ATI makes good drivers, and they make splendid cards. Restating what I said before, their problem is that they are static where NVidia is mobile.
Of course, their promise here seems to be a no-go .. Which sucks since I have ATI both at work and at home.
I don't want to give up ATI because I _know_ they make a good job.
I'll tell you this.. Most people I know who buy NVidia end up upgrading more often than people with ATI. Why is that?

I can tell you why: Because nVidia improves constantly and cares for his custumers. So nVidia users have the POSSIBILITY to upgrade.

So...I liked the 9800pro. Really. But when I installed 64bit-Linux and noticed, that there are no drivers for a 200-product (and none fpr the 500 products, too) I really got pissed off. It makes no sense to talk about it. The simply save money and time at the drivers. nVidia simply spends more money for us (from the money we give them). ATI simply does only half of the job as mentioned above. So this is what it is. It is no war between ATI and nVidia. It is a simple fact: ATI HAS NOT DEVELOPED THIS FUCKING DRIVERS YET. And they could have done a long time ago...nVidia did. That's the point.

The cards are nearly as good as each other. But what ATI does is kickin right in the ass of people giving their money to them.

Mythos · Post by **Mythos** » Tue Dec 21, 2004 10:04 am

Hey anyone know where to buy nvidia for laptop ?

I have radeon 7000 mobile ...

I want a mobile nvidia equal to my graphic card, note i have 256mg ...

Prices and places to buy, this is enought time for me !!! What a bad coder's bahhh !!! Give us the the source drivers !!!

dangertools · Post by **dangertools** » Tue Dec 21, 2004 10:25 am

have you ever heard before that you can change your mobile graphics chip? this is not possible

Mythos · Post by **Mythos** » Tue Dec 21, 2004 12:56 pm

logon · Post by **logon** » Tue Dec 21, 2004 1:47 pm

It is not impossible. There is a system for this, but it is from nvidia anyway...

But it is not impossible!

dangertools · Post by **dangertools** » Tue Dec 21, 2004 3:09 pm

yes, there is such a system, but this is not for end users, and as already said, it is jus for nvidiachips, not like a bus for everyone

Mythos · Post by **Mythos** » Wed Dec 22, 2004 12:16 am

The only thing in my laptop that don't work is ATI graphic card !!!

I WANT DRIVERS FOR AMD64 !!!

even wireless works thanks to 3com OfficeConnect Wireless 11g PC Card v1.0

duralinux · Post by **duralinux** » Wed Dec 22, 2004 1:24 am

Well.... Here it is... towards the end of December... and lo and behold... no Linux drivers yet. I wish I could swap out the ATI in my laptop for an nVidia...

ebrostig · Post by **ebrostig** » Wed Dec 22, 2004 2:57 am

Mythos wrote:The only thing in my laptop that don't work is ATI graphic card !!!

I WANT DRIVERS FOR AMD64 !!!

even wireless works thanks to 3com OfficeConnect Wireless 11g PC Card v1.0

What do you mean by "not working"?

If you mean that hw accelerated 3d don't work, I agree, but to say flat out that it does not work seems to be not correct. As far as I know, and I have an ATi card myself, the drivers supplied with xorg-x11 works fine, just not for HW 3d.

Erik

planet-admin · Post by **planet-admin** » Wed Dec 22, 2004 3:21 am

dangertools wrote:yes, there is such a system, but this is not for end users, and as already said, it is jus for nvidiachips, not like a bus for everyone

Dude....I suggest you read slashdot:

Most alienware Area51m's have had USER REPLACEABLE mobile cards for over a year.

My shiny dell laptop has a replaceable video card, as do most dells

Michael

dangertools · Post by **dangertools** » Wed Dec 22, 2004 7:54 am

oh, really. didn't know that. i have just heard of the nvidia-sockets for which allow changing from one nvidia-chip to another and that this system is just for companies, not for end users. can you insert every graphics chip you want into that socket on your dell? very interesting that such a system is out there

infirit · Post by **infirit** » Wed Dec 22, 2004 12:41 pm

Well, i have givin up on this and am trying to break my card now

I'm trying to get the drivers working from http://r300.sf.net and if it blows up my radeon then i have a good reason to buy a Nvidia.

Did anyone succeed in getting this running?

The kernel patch applied fine and /dev/drm exists now but Xorg is not working with me yet. I'll also post if i am succesfull or if/when I blew it up.

Mythos · Post by **Mythos** » Wed Dec 22, 2004 1:16 pm

ebrostig wrote: What do you mean by "not working"?

If you mean that hw accelerated 3d don't work, I agree, but to say flat out that it does not work seems to be not correct. As far as I know, and I have an ATi card myself, the drivers supplied with xorg-x11 works fine, just not for HW 3d.

Erik

Well with nvidia driver's i can have 3d ... so i think i am not being unfair with ATI, they had a lot of time to release amd64 driver's, they don't care about software, only their hardware ...

but they forgot something, software and hardware are connect to each other...

infirit wrote:Well, i have givin up on this and am trying to break my card now I'm trying to get the drivers working from http://r300.sf.net and if it blows up my radeon then i have a good reason to buy a Nvidia.

Did anyone succeed in getting this running?

The kernel patch applied fine and /dev/drm exists now but Xorg is not working with me yet. I'll also post if i am succesfull or if/when I blew it up.

Are this project amd64 supported ???

infirit · Post by **infirit** » Wed Dec 22, 2004 1:37 pm

Mythos wrote:Are this project amd64 supported ???

My new AMD64 system has not arrived yet unfortunately. On this machine i will be testing this also. The box I'm testing this on now is an Athlon XP.

If you can get Xorg-cvs running on AMD64 with DRI this should not pose any problems. But i could be wrong......

ATI amd64 drivers in december...

AMD64 ATI Drivers