X.org Lockups

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jedimark · Post by **jedimark** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 1:08 am

More crash

Although with freetype disabled, lockups are a heck of a lot less frequent...

frilled · Post by **frilled** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 11:05 am

What CPUs and chipsets are you guys using on the machines where you experience the lockups?

Liquid Crystal · Post by **Liquid Crystal** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 11:16 am

PIII 864 MHz

frilled · Post by **frilled** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 11:36 am

Liquid Crystal wrote:PIII 864 MHz

And chipset? My problematic one is a PIII, too.

Did you build your system with CFLAGS like "-march=Pentium3"?

Ah, and by the way I just read in the X.org docs about MTRR:

Option "NoMTRR"

Disables MTRR (Memory Type Range Register) support, a feature of modern processors which can improve video performance by a factor of up to 2.5. Some hardware has buggy MTRR support, and some video drivers have been known to exhibit problems when MTRR's are used.

Maybe it's worth a try.

Liquid Crystal · Post by **Liquid Crystal** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 9:57 am

intel chipset
yes, -march=pentium3 is in my CFLAGS
Where to look for "NoMTRR" option, in xorg.conf?
can you post a linkor reference?

frilled · Post by **frilled** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 11:32 am

Liquid Crystal wrote:intel chipset
yes, -march=pentium3 is in my CFLAGS
Where to look for "NoMTRR" option, in xorg.conf?
can you post a linkor reference?

Sure: http://freedesktop.org/~xorg/X11R6.8.0/ ... onf.5.html

Search for NoMTRR or look under "Screen Section".

jludwig · Post by **jludwig** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 8:07 pm

Hey gang, for those having trouble with the i810 chipset another thread was started

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php? ... highlight=

he has had the same problem with multiple distros.... can anyone confirm this chipset+xfree X11 server works fine? If so I think this needs to get passed onto the Xorg folks...

frilled · Post by **frilled** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 10:05 pm

jludwig wrote:Hey gang, for those having trouble with the i810 chipset another thread was started

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php? ... highlight=

he has had the same problem with multiple distros.... can anyone confirm this chipset+xfree X11 server works fine? If so I think this needs to get passed onto the Xorg folks...

Well, I had one working "fine" (being a lame graphics chip after all) for about half a year, but that was actually right up to the time of the xorg fork...

Bob P · Post by **Bob P** » Tue Nov 02, 2004 12:36 am

flyfishin wrote:I have an old Dell Optiplex G110 that I've reinstalled Gentoo on two days ago. I emerged gnome and xorg-x11 and of course got xorg-x11-6.8.0-r1. I could start X and work for about 2 minutes and then the mouse and keyboard would lock up and I'd get colored vertical lines across my screen. The entire system was frozen. It didn't matter what application I was using. So I did an emerge unmerge xorg-X11 and emerge xorg-x11-6.7.0-r2. All seems to be well know.

I'm using the same PC system and I have the same problems with the colored vertical lines.

I posted this thread in Kernels & Hardware:

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=245759

I've been running a new Gentoo installation and I'm suffering from random lockups. When the system locks, the video becomes scrambled into an array of colored vertical lines and the system becomes totally unresponsive, requiring a hard reboot. It seems to be involved with mouse clicking.

I'm using kernel gentoo-dev-sources 2.6.8-r-x, genkernel, and KDE 3.3.0. my PC is a dell optiplex GX110 (P3-800) that is a red-hat certified system. it has an intel i810 graphics system and i'm running at 1280*1024 at the minimum refresh rate.

Fwiw, i have been subjected to these sorts of lockups with SuSE 9.1, Mandrake 10.0, and Gentoo. I've tried all 3 of these distros to try to eliminate this persistent problem. Fwiw, its linux-specific and its not heat related -- the Win systems run on this PC for days on end with no problems.

comet · Post by **comet** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 9:12 pm

Oh well, lets summarize things a bit (if it helps anyone) from this topic, from
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=215629 and
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=242075

Xorg bug: http://freedesktop.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1399
and http://freedesktop.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=418
and http://freedesktop.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=417
Redhat Bugrep: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/sh ... ?id=120018
Please if anyone could register and give feedback to THEM that would be cool, and we might get this fixed.

- The crash occurs on various hardware
-- CPU: P4 3Ghz, AMD Athlon Thunderbird 1400, AMD Athlon 900Mhz, Athlon XP 1500+, Pentium III 866MHz
-- GFX cards: Radeon 9200, NVidia GeForce2 GTS/Pro, GeForce Ultra 5700, Geforce FX 5200
-- M/B: Abit AT7 (VIA KT333), SiS P4S61, (TODO add more mobos)
-- Mem: various sizes

- It occurs on various w/ms like: kde, gnome, ion2, fluxbox

- It occurs on various kernel versions: 2.4.23-ck1 - 2.6.9 (gentoo patched and vanilla aswell)

- It occurs on various X versions:
--XFree 4.3 - ??
--Xorg up to 6.7.0-rc2
--Xorg up to 6.8.0-rc1 (a strange line is reported on crash)

-Reported with the following applications(usually when heavy mouse activity occurs), mostly GTK apps: browsers(firefox,konqueror,galleon,Opera), gaim, gkrellm

-Reports in various distributions: debian, mandrake, fedora and gentoo
Sympthoms:

- X CPU usage 100%
- Keyboard is not working
- Mouse is working but nothing is clickable (in some cases mouse is not working any more)
- Magic SysRq is possible
- Sshing in from remote server and killing X is possible.

CFLAGS: From "" to heavy ones.

My story:

CPU: Intel P4 3Ghz
MB: SIS
RAM: 512MB
GFX: ATi Radeon 9200
HDD: 80Gb

The system is brand new. I installed gentoo from stage1 this week(2004.11.03).
CFLAGS="-march=pentium4 -O3 -pipe"
Im using Xorg 6.7.0-rc2. I usually crash when typeing posts like this in firefox and (maybe irrelevant crash here) when trying to run scorched3d with HW mip-mapping(this last one is 100% reproducable crash for me).

frilled · Post by **frilled** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 9:18 pm

Would anybody please care to check if the crashes occur if you kill the xscreensaver daemon oder not have it installed at all?

I'm not talking abaout the screensaver kicking in, but simply the daemon runnning.

comet · Post by **comet** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 9:24 pm

wgi wrote:Would anybody please care to check if the crashes occur if you kill the xscreensaver daemon oder not have it installed at all?

it crashes for me, although i dont have xscreensaver installed.

Nate_S · Post by **Nate_S** » Sat Nov 06, 2004 6:35 pm

To add to that summary,

The crash occurs for me on a GF FX 5200
Mobo: Abit AT7 (VIA KT333)
Mem: 512M ddr400

I've also gotten it to crash in the default twm.

It also happens on vanilla 2.6 patches (various, I think I tested around 2.6.{4,5})

Xfree: I can confirm that it still crashes for me in xfree 4.3 (which ever one was marked as stable about a month ago)

In addition to SysRq I can also ssh in and kill -9 X

I origionally compiled with some heavy cflags, but when this started happening, I recompiled X, nvidia-drivers, and most all of X's deps, including glibc and gcc, among other things (most anything that looked at all gfx related from an meerge -pve xorg-x11) with CFLAGS=""

-Nate

emerose · Post by **emerose** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 12:38 am

I get the same hang on xorg 6.8.0 with:

-kernels 2.6.8-gentoo and 2.6.9-gentoo-r3
-Nvidia drivers versions 1.0-6111 and 1.0-6629
-fluxbox running with and without each of: xscreensaver, gdesklets, gkrellm, firefox (though I haven't tried all combinatorial possibilites)

this is on an amd64 system, and with a geforce fx5200 and nforce3 250Gb mobo, and all software is current as of today.

I've had hangs while playing music through xmms, watching movies in mplayer, and while the system was just idling; I first noticed them about a week ago, and have had 3 or 4 hangs since then.

I hope that helps; any new advice, or is this definitely an unfixed xorg bug?
-sq

javac16 · Post by **javac16** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 1:39 am

Mostly wanted to chime in so I can get notified of updates for this topic.

I am having the same problems for quite awhile now. Currently running on:
- 2.6.9-r1 (gentoo-dev).
- xorg-x11 6.8.0-r1.
- Gnome 2.6.2-r1
- I use gdesklets, firefox, opera a lot, but I mostly see the problem when doing something in evolution (minimizing or selecting an email)

My box:
2 Xeon CPUs @ 2Ghz
1GB RAM
Megaraid for my harddrives

edit - I am also using nVidia drivers. Just switched to 1.0.6629 (haven't seen problem yet...)
edit2 - Just got the lockup again with the 6629 nVidia drivers

Dolio · Post by **Dolio** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 3:27 am

Count me in.

- 2.6.8 and on
- xorg-x11 6.7 and 6.8
- KDE 3.2.0 - 3.3.1
- nVidia drivers 53xx - 6111 (and probably 6629, but haven't seen it yet)
- Happens most often when I switch virtual desktops while tvtime is running

Computer:
AMD Athlon Thunderbird 1400
768 MB RAM
IWill KA266-r motherboard (Ali Magik chipset, there's a piece of lost history)
GeForce3 video card
Hauppauge Win-TV PVR-PCI (bt-something-or-other chipset) TV card

R-Type · Post by **R-Type** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 9:18 pm

I've had the same problem with my system since the late 2.5.xx kernel days ;). It would come and go as software/compilers/kernels changed versions. In every case, the mouse was frozen solid. I could not log into ssh at all. In almost every instance, I was scrolling in mozilla/firebird/firefox. GTK 2.x issues maybe? Every instance seemed to involve user interaction with a GTK 2.x app. I spend a lot of time in QT apps as well, and I haven't noticed a problem with them.

P3 850 slot1
Asus P3B-F 440BX
768MB SDRAM
Geforce 2 Ultra

current software
NPTL(only) glibc 2.6.9 vanilla dev kernel
6628 nvidia drivers
renderaccel enabled (happens with it off too, but far less often).
xorg 6.8.1 cvs as of a day ago (has happened on all X versions to date, even before xfree fork).
cflags="-march=pentium3 -O3 -pipe -fPIC -fomit-frame-pointer -fprofile-use"
gcc-3.4.3 (entire system is compiled with it, including kernel).
freetype-2.1.5
fluxbox .9.10
gkrellm2

Dolio · Post by **Dolio** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 9:56 pm

R-Type: It's unlikely that it's a GTK 2 problem. I use KDE and experience such freezes. The only GTK app I can think of that I use is the Gimp, and I rarely use it.

R-Type · Post by **R-Type** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 10:53 pm

You're probably right. I'm guessing, just like everyone else is.

tam1138 · Post by **tam1138** » Wed Nov 10, 2004 9:46 am

I've been having the same problem, and I'm finally able to reliably reproduce it by opening this link in Firefox: http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/ ... /index.htm. I've been able to drive X insane by opening that page once or twice, thus requiring a remote login and reboot.

I've also found that my habit of constantly high-lighting and un-high-lighting large sections of text in Firefox tends to kick this off as well.

I'm running a Duron 600 on a VIA KT133a board with an NVIDIA FX5200. I have since switched AGP from 4x to 2x in the BIOS and can't reliably reproduce it with the method described above. Yay me?

Nate_S · Post by **Nate_S** » Wed Nov 10, 2004 7:21 pm

I suppose if you don't do much gaming, then yes. For me, I could always cause a freeze by scrolling rapidly with the mouse wheel on the firefox start page, if it didn't freeze when loading it.

Exactly what mobo and what brand of gfx card do you have?

I have a Abit AT7 (kt333) and an Albatron FX 5200

-Nate

tam1138 · Post by **tam1138** » Wed Nov 10, 2004 8:41 pm

Asus A7V and Asus V9520 VideoSuite.

frilled · Post by **frilled** » Thu Nov 11, 2004 8:41 pm

Darn.

Lived happily for a week or so. Today, I got two lockups in a short period of time. So it was not 8k vs. 4k stacks. I don't know. I'll have too see what I emerged but I don't remember anything special. But not today. Today I am really sick of this (and additionally, I just ran into the "hotplug-does-no-longer-do-what-it-shouldn't-do" trap (http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php? ... 08#1752708) which put me into a lousy mood although it was fixed easily and fast). This sucks.

Bob P · Post by **Bob P** » Fri Nov 12, 2004 10:26 pm

wgi wrote:
flyfishin wrote:I have an old Dell Optiplex G110 that I've reinstalled Gentoo on two days ago. I emerged gnome and xorg-x11 and of course got xorg-x11-6.8.0-r1. I could start X and work for about 2 minutes and then the mouse and keyboard would lock up and I'd get colored vertical lines across my screen. The entire system was frozen. It didn't matter what application I was using. So I did an emerge unmerge xorg-X11 and emerge xorg-x11-6.7.0-r2. All seems to be well know.
What gfx card are you using? The onboard chip? I don't recall what's on a G110 - is it an Intel 8x0, too?

I hated that driver. The recent version seems to be a lot better, though. But at least it was stable.

Apart from that I had my box crash on xfree 4.3, xorg 6.7 and 6.8 with no apparent differences. And, as I can only say again, this box used to work *fine* for months. I gave it away to a friend who installed windoze on it, so I had to reinstall Gentoo.

What I want to express here is that all my "older" installations seem to work fine, but this new one is b0rked. I even re-installed it once more, with the same result.

i own the same model Dell Optiplex GX 110. it uses the i810 chipset.

i have been able to completely eliminate the video lockup bug by putting an old Matrox Millinneum II graphics card in one of the PCI slots and disabling the onboard i810 video.

i know -- its a giant step backwards, but its stable as rock.

Senso · Post by **Senso** » Sat Nov 13, 2004 6:49 pm

I'm in, kinda. My problem seems to be different from most people here. Since a few weeks, my system *always* freezes when I exit a game. Not any game, Loki ones only - could be OpenGL-related. Doom3, Medal of Honor, even the old Soldier of Fortune. The second I exit the game, my mouse AND keyboard freeze. The "Caps Lock" led on the keyboard keeps flashing. I tried unplugging it and plugging it back, it still flashes. The mouse pointer is freezed and the only thing I can do is a hard reboot.

Here are my specs:
CPU: AMD Athlon 2000+ XP
Kernel: 2.4.26-gentoo-r9
GeForce FX 5600T
nvidia-kernel-1.0.6111-r3 (happened also with at least one older version).
X.0rg-6.8.0-r1 (as far as I know, it never happened when using Xfree)
BlackBox

I would say it has to do with X.Org and/or a combination of X.Org with the nvidia driver... I use Firefox, but not gkrelmm. I don't have xscreensaver installed.

Addendum: I am using a KVM switch. I'll play Doom 3 a bit then after the crash, I'll try it without the switch. I remember having keyboard-mouse lockups maybe a year ago and the caps lock led would start blinking...

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cat /proc/driver/nvidia/cards/0

It says Card Type: AGP

But on the other hand, "dmesg | grep agp" shows:

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agpart: unsupported bridge
agpart: no supported devide found

Dunno if the card could be the problem.

X.org Lockups

Bugger :(

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