KDE 3.3 Quirks

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cbradney · Post by **cbradney** » Mon Aug 30, 2004 3:42 pm

It is a small world, especially when you consider I'm Australian, married to a Luxembourger. On top of that, developing Scribus with a German, American, Finn, Czech and a Brit.

This thread is all very interesting to me. Now that KDE 3.3 is out I was planning to migrate to Kontact from Evolution. I think I will have to wait now. Losing encryption support is a problem.

Quantumstate · Post by **Quantumstate** » Mon Aug 30, 2004 3:52 pm

I guess emigration was no problem, as you'd married a national. How hard to find a job/ get working papers? I'm hoping to move to SE, due to the political climate in the US. Ironically, it's been difficult as we have something of a negative rep there now.

Epyon · Post by **Epyon** » Mon Aug 30, 2004 3:55 pm

Quantumstate wrote:C'mon, come out of the closet Epyon. You were just taunting me, weren't you?

I spent hours on getting the encryption working for kmail (until I actually read the directions on the link you posted). Anywho, I changed a whole lot of stuff and I don't know which specific changes made it work. I have a feeling a lot of what I did was just wasting time or breaking things I don't know about yet.

First off I installed gpgme 0.9.0-r20 and gnupg 1.9.10 because I heard kdepim needs it or something. These are probably hard masked for a reason though so I'd be careful.
Then I recompiled kdepim which didn't do anything but waste a whole lot of my time.
Then I recompiled a bunch of stuff like cryptplug, libgcrypt, and some other stuff that made no difference.
Then I was looking and saw that I had like 4 versions of gpgme installed. I got rid of all of them but 0.9.0-r20. Then I looked at the kdepim ebuild and saw that it was using gpgme4-config so I changed it to gpgme-config and tried recompiling kdepim again.
Didn't work.
Then I saw the directions on the kmail site. I first recompiled pth and libassuan. Then I recompiled libksba and followed the rest of the directions and it works for me.

I think thats all the steps I took. It was over the course of like half a day so I can't remember everything I did.

Anyway, one thing thats been bothering me is that in the screenshot on the page that has the directions, it shows Kgpg as a possible backend. I don't have that...

cbradney · Post by **cbradney** » Mon Aug 30, 2004 4:05 pm

Ah, well.. Luxembourg doesnt apply European law. Grr. If you are married to a Luxembourg national, they apply Luxembourgish law and not European law and wont give a work permit (unless you have a company sponsoring you for a job). If you are married to a European national (not Luxembourgish) living in Luxembourg, they have to give a work permit by European law, no question. Theres court cases going on apparently to get this fixed.

I'm allowed to start a company (as I'm degree qualified) and employ myself though. (I moved just after 9/11 and the economies everywhere went bad and all those IT jobs that you could almost walk into just disappeared).

Quantumstate · Post by **Quantumstate** » Mon Aug 30, 2004 4:36 pm

cbradney wrote:I'm allowed to start a company (as I'm degree qualified) and employ myself though.

Oh my, this is interesting. Thank you.

ranmakun · Post by **ranmakun** » Mon Aug 30, 2004 5:11 pm

The problems I have:

1. kget still sometimes fails to open when I choose to download a file from konqueror, this was a problem in the betas but it was said to be solved, not for me.

2. Alsamixer looses it's levels after starting KDE, this is the most annoying thing.

3. Sometimes I open konqueror and I start to hear a distorted noise from my speakers, this won't solve unless I restart the machine, even restarting alsa wont help. Not sure if this is an alsa or KDE problem , but started happening with KDE 3.3. Because of this and the previows problem I have virtually no sound.

4. kstars is working veeery slow and usually hangs.

Does anyone knows when will be the next relase?, I'm seriouslly thinking in downgrade until these problems are solved.

firephoto · Post by **firephoto** » Mon Aug 30, 2004 5:18 pm

Well you won't get it working if you don't have gnupg installed. The latest/biggest-versioned Gnupg has everything newpg has because includes newpg.

If there's something blocking gnupg from installing or casusing it to fail you should file a bug.

With all the little quirks that seem to be settings related you'd think the KDE people would only import the desktop layout settings, fonts, and general behavior settings. Also maybe they should seperate some of the data they store inside ~/.kde like the address books and your sticky notes. Kmail has it's own folder outside of ~/.kde so maybe there should be a ~/.kde-data folder.

rfujimoto · Post by **rfujimoto** » Mon Aug 30, 2004 5:21 pm

ranmakun wrote:The problems I have:

1. kget still sometimes fails to open when I choose to download a file from konqueror, this was a problem in the betas but it was said to be solved, not for me.

2. Alsamixer looses it's levels after starting KDE, this is the most annoying thing.

3. Sometimes I open konqueror and I start to hear a distorted noise from my speakers, this won't solve unless I restart the machine, even restarting alsa wont help. Not sure if this is an alsa or KDE problem , but started happening with KDE 3.3. Because of this and the previows problem I have virtually no sound.

4. kstars is working veeery slow and usually hangs.

Does anyone knows when will be the next relase?, I'm seriouslly thinking in downgrade until these problems are solved.

I think that the attempt to meet the Akademy release date, meant more bugs than usual slipped through.... Especially the kmix and kget errors... they disable the system. Kget not working when integrated with konqueror leaves a user with no way to download anything.

anyways, here's some help for you:

1. Kget crashing:Bug # 84450 (Patch included)

2. Alsamixer loosing volume:Bug #69320 (Patch included). Or visit Gentoo #59085 and read what Gregorio says to do as a workaround (that doesn't require patching).

Don't know anything about the other two though.

Quantumstate · Post by **Quantumstate** » Mon Aug 30, 2004 5:41 pm

firephoto wrote:Well you won't get it working if you don't have gnupg installed. The latest/biggest-versioned Gnupg has everything newpg has because includes newpg.

I see. Since I can't compile gnupg-1.9.10 (which fails checking for Assuan), I do not have gpgsm, which is cert handling. Whenever I've filed bugs, they get closed for being "Invalid", so stopped.

firephoto wrote:Also maybe they should separate some of the data they store inside ~/.kde like the address books and your sticky notes. Kmail has it's own folder outside of ~/.kde so maybe there should be a ~/.kde-data folder.

Great idea.

Ranmakun, there is an Alsa rc service (alsasound), which will store/restore mixer settings. Works for me. No problems DLing in Konq.

Use KFind to look in ~/.kde3.3 for any occurrance of 'kde3.2' . You'll find a number of config files. Change these to kde3.3, and alot of problems will go away.

I'd try KStars, but kdeedu is gigantic to merge.

Quantumstate · Post by **Quantumstate** » Mon Aug 30, 2004 6:21 pm

Hm, this is interesting. My problem was, I was following the directions.

Rather than DLing and manually compiling gnupg, this time I unmasked gnupg and gpgme, and they both compiled! I now have gpgsm, gpg-agent, watchgnupg, and gpgconf!

Will proceed as I have time.

LMCBoy · Post by **LMCBoy** » Tue Aug 31, 2004 6:11 am

ranmakun wrote:4. kstars is working veeery slow and usually hangs.

We haven't heard about such problems. Do you still have kstars-3.2, and is it working properly? Please email me (kstars * 30doradus ! org) or the kstars ML (kstars-devel * kde ! org) with more details.

Quantumstate · Post by **Quantumstate** » Tue Aug 31, 2004 12:21 pm

OK confirmed, I now have Gnupg S/MIME. Still have to make a cert, etc.

The problem was, I had to unmask higher versions of gnupg and gpgme & re-emerge, and re-emerge kdepim. Now working on the procedure.

ranmakun · Post by **ranmakun** » Tue Aug 31, 2004 3:39 pm

rfujimoto wrote: I think that the attempt to meet the Akademy release date, meant more bugs than usual slipped through.... Especially the kmix and kget errors... they disable the system. Kget not working when integrated with konqueror leaves a user with no way to download anything.

anyways, here's some help for you:

1. Kget crashing:Bug # 84450 (Patch included)

2. Alsamixer loosing volume:Bug #69320 (Patch included). Or visit Gentoo #59085 and read what Gregorio says to do as a workaround (that doesn't require patching).

Don't know anything about the other two though.

Thank you. Maybe I'll try them, but I've decided to downgrade until the next relase. It's a pity to me that just to follow a schedule they relased it in this state, when they could have wait a few weeks more and they could have solved these problems. Who cares if it's late?, the important thing is that it work's fine in my opinion.

firephoto · Post by **firephoto** » Tue Aug 31, 2004 3:59 pm

I just did some genlop'n and I emerged kde-3.2.0 on Feb 3, and I emerged 3.2.1 on Mar 9. I'd say this release isn't much if any different than with 3.2 and we can probably expect 3.3.1 in a couple of weeks. 3.2 didn't become really stable and mostly quirk free till well into the 3.2.3 release with some gentoo patches.

3.3 isn't marked stable so it kind of the duty of those using it to do the testing and find the quirks and problems and report them if they haven't been already. Besides the kget annoyance I haven't found anything that hasn't been easily fixable or made to work, and have accepted that certain things work a certain way even if it may appear wrong (window resizing/moving option).

Quantumstate:
Sounds like you 'll have it working there now and it was just your lack of using the ebuilds causing the troubles/mixups. I noticed last night that I have 3 versions of gpgme installed but I'm not sure how this affects anything or if the older ones are needed. I was counting packages installed and noticed that I had many different versions of some packages and saw gpgme in that list.

Quantumstate · Post by **Quantumstate** » Tue Aug 31, 2004 4:25 pm

firephoto wrote:Sounds like you 'll have it working there now and it was just your lack of using the ebuilds causing the troubles/mixups. I noticed last night that I have 3 versions of gpgme installed but I'm not sure how this affects anything or if the older ones are needed. I was counting packages installed and noticed that I had many different versions of some packages and saw gpgme in that list.

Right, on my way, thanks for all your help FP.

I'm sure that everyone has multiply-installed packages, KDE being the most hazardous. These I've removed by hand. Wish there were an emerge switch to (safely) seek and possibly remove down-versions.

Thorir · Post by **Thorir** » Tue Aug 31, 2004 7:20 pm

Somebody else has the following problem?

My working user normally uses tcsh. But he isn't able to log in via kdm. With xdm everything is fine. After chsh'ing to /bin/bash, he is able to use kdm.

Really strange.

Thorir

Quantumstate · Post by **Quantumstate** » Tue Aug 31, 2004 9:31 pm

This implies that kdm's login is via a script which is bash-only, but I can't prove it.

Atlantis@Azores · Post by **Atlantis@Azores** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 8:55 pm

Thorir wrote:Somebody else has the following problem?

My working user normally uses tcsh. But he isn't able to log in via kdm. With xdm everything is fine. After chsh'ing to /bin/bash, he is able to use kdm.

Really strange.

Thorir

I also have this problem.

I've even added a new user to the system to test this and I can confirm that a use with tcsh is unable to login via kdm. If one changes the shell to test, the user can login with bash and is unable to do so when using tcsh.

Jorge.

Atlantis@Azores · Post by **Atlantis@Azores** » Tue Sep 07, 2004 1:03 pm

Thorir wrote:Somebody else has the following problem?

My working user normally uses tcsh. But he isn't able to log in via kdm. With xdm everything is fine. After chsh'ing to /bin/bash, he is able to use kdm.

Really strange.

Thorir

Thorir,

I've opened yesterday a bug report on this. You can follow the developments here.

Jorge.

Illissius · Post by **Illissius** » Tue Sep 07, 2004 3:46 pm

Hmm. Two things I noticed...
- Juk is gone. Not an issue as I use amaroK though. I assume this is because I compiled with -arts?
- I read somewhere that Konqueror in 3.3 is supposed to have a google searchbar and find-as-you-type, and I'm not seeing either... do I have to enable them anywhere, or was wherever I read that wrong?

grover · Post by **grover** » Wed Sep 08, 2004 4:57 am

I'm having one very annoying problem. Firefox automatically minimises so all I have is the window decoration at the top of the page whenever I move the mouse over the panel area. No other apps are doing this, and it was working fine for the first day I used KDE3.3. As soon as I move the mouse back over the window decoration it maximises again.

firephoto · Post by **firephoto** » Wed Sep 08, 2004 5:07 am

Try right clicking the title bar, select "Configure Window Behavior...", Under advaced you probably have "enable hover" checked. Now I think this is the default setting, the problem probably is that you double clicked the title bar and it "shaded" (rolled up like a window shade) and when your mouse cursor is over it "unshades". This most likely keeps happening because you have "Window-Specific-Settings" for firefox. Simple fix is to just double click on the title bar and unshade it. You might also check out the window settings too and delete the firefox entry or see what's set and such.

You can double click on any title bar and see for your self that it will do exactly as you describe.

grover · Post by **grover** » Wed Sep 08, 2004 5:28 am

Thanks for that. Enable hover was ticked, I think a window decoration I was using must have set that because it definately didn't happen when I first installed 3.3

smn · Post by **smn** » Wed Sep 08, 2004 6:25 am

i also got two little problems:
*) the position of my desktop icons isnt stored, they are always moving down when i relogin. not a big deal but its starting to annoy me.

*) when you set firefox as default browser (in control center -> components -> component chooser) and you open up konqueror and type in some url, it opens in firefox also. i dunno if its supposed to be like that, just kinda sucks, when you set firefox as default browser you just cant use konqueror as webbrowser anymore.