looking for a web browser with 3 criteria

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erg8 · Post by **erg8** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 10:39 pm

I am looking for a web browser with the following features:
- fully functional (lynx won't do)
- no adware in free version (Opera won't do)
- no use of gtk

With this in mind, netscape-navigator looks good (after scanning the ebuild quickly) except that it looks like it depends on netscape-flash (maybe I am wrong) which in turn depends on gtk.

So... any suggestions? Any idea why this dependency exists? What if I don't need flash?

subsine · Post by **subsine** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 10:49 pm

Whats with your dislike of GTK?
Anyway there is only one browser you should be using IMHO:
Firefox, get it at: http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox or apt-get, emerge etc

hth
subsine.

Illissius · Post by **Illissius** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 11:04 pm

Konqueror?

placeholder · Post by **placeholder** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 12:42 am

GKT is nice and much lighter than QT.... I'd say Firefox, but since you don't want GTK for some odd reason then use Netscape. As far as I know, Netscape doesn't require netscape-flash since that's just the flash plugin which isn't a required thing. Also, why would flash use GTK?

perseguidor · Post by **perseguidor** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 1:15 am

Well, I have no idea why would flash depend on gtk either, but if the thing is you don't want to emerge it you can just do:

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USE="-gtk" emerge -av netscape-navigator

To be sure you're going to be just fine without gtk

So flash still emerges, but this time supposedly without gtk support, whatever that was in the first place.

black hole sun · Post by **black hole sun** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 2:03 am

emerge mozilla-firefox!

tgnb · Post by **tgnb** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 3:14 am

netscape is based on mozilla which afaik uses some gtk stuff.

i only have one word for you: http://www.getfirefox.com

shredz · Post by **shredz** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 3:23 am

KDE's konqueror answers to all your requests... I've seen on SuSE they got konqueror to use gecko to render pages... that would be nice for gentoo ... anyone ?

TheWoopWoop · Post by **TheWoopWoop** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 5:56 am

KHTML is a fantastic rendering engine. The gecko stuff sounds like a fairly useless hack...

Konqueror is a great browser and as stated above meets all of your requirements.

yngwin · Post by **yngwin** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 9:53 am

The only serious browser that meets your criteria is Konqueror, which is a fine browser. Netscape (version 4) is out because of its seriously outdated rendering engine, so it doesn't meet your first criterium.

Is it that you don't want to install gtk, or do you not like its looks? If the latter I suggest you use the gtk-qt-engine, which make gtk2 apps look just like Qt apps. That is how I use Firefox.

shredz · Post by **shredz** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 12:41 pm

Firefox with the qt stuff looks awesome and it'll load up pages without any faults. I'm a konqueror user myself, but have to admit firefox is a bit faster at rendering pages.

zerojay · Post by **zerojay** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 2:07 pm

Pwnz3r wrote:GTK is nice and much lighter than QT.

I'm on a real slow machine (PII 400mhz) and QT feels much lighter than GTK for me these days. I feel the same way as the original poster, no GTK, please.

Vide · Post by **Vide** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 2:50 pm

DarkStalker wrote:
Pwnz3r wrote:GTK is nice and much lighter than QT.
I'm on a real slow machine (PII 400mhz) and QT feels much lighter than GTK for me these days. I feel the same way as the original poster, no GTK, please.

Definitely.
The myth that GTK and Gnome are lightier than QT and KDE could be true in the 1.x days. Now it's nothing more than a myth.

zerojay · Post by **zerojay** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 2:52 pm

Vide wrote:
DarkStalker wrote:
Pwnz3r wrote:GTK is nice and much lighter than QT.
I'm on a real slow machine (PII 400mhz) and QT feels much lighter than GTK for me these days. I feel the same way as the original poster, no GTK, please.
Definitely.
The myth that GTK and Gnome are lightier than QT and KDE could be true in the 1.x days. Now it's nothing more than a myth.

I especially find it funny when I hear people complain about KDE's "bloat". It can't be all that bloated if I can run the full environment with extras on this PII 400mhz and it never skips a beat.

sindre · Post by **sindre** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 4:41 pm

Mozilla/firefox is imo bloat on a kde desktop. It loads many times slower and leaves a vastly higher memory footprint than konqueror in a kde environment. Konqueror would be bloat if used in any other environment than kde though.

Quantumstate · Post by **Quantumstate** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 4:47 pm

Ya.

Moz is required, so I just use it when I doubt Konq's rendering, which is almost never these days.

I don't emerge FF anymore.

gmichels · Post by **gmichels** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 4:49 pm

I've been an opera user for some time (still use it in windows, though), but I switched to konqueror since it "feels" lighter and faster on my kde desktop. I still keep it around because some pages just won't load right on konqueror, so it's a backup. And also, no gtk for me.

Konqueror, especially the latest ones (3.2.3, 3.3.0) is becoming an extremely nice browser, so I'll stick with it.

Peach · Post by **Peach** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 4:53 pm

Konqueror?

As far as I can see Konqueror is not the best of web browsers, while gecko engine based browsers are.
As I noticed many things on the Konqueror engine are buggish (as soon as Safari, based on the same engine).

If I can I'd avoid it, get a gecko-based web browser

link97381 · Post by **link97381** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 5:31 pm

Well if we're gonna get on this subject I just think I should mention that Apple chose KHTML over Gecko because kde did a superior job coding it and it uses something like half the amount of code to do the same thing..... And with apple contributing to it now any of the tiny tiny bugs and the few pages that wouldn't load on it befor will definatly be fixed.... if they have't in 3.3 already. But don't get me wrong if I was using anything else but KDE I'd be using Mozilla

msimplay · Post by **msimplay** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 5:59 pm

hmm wonder why people say gtk is lighter, coz QT flies on my 1.7 amd athlon
but GTK trails it makes my machine feel slow

having said that firefox is better in terms of the gecko engine however Khtml is improving technology and is getting better all the time

one thing i hate about Gecko based browsers is they can't search within text boxes

I use Konqueror as my main browser it seems to also work better with KDE plugins like kaffiene which is also my favourite media player

Also beware i only have 256 mb memory and at one point i went onto some website and mozilla went upto 320mb memory and my hardrive started to page like mad it rendered my system unusuble

hmm i should get some more memory

shredz · Post by **shredz** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 5:59 pm

I noticed this gtk slowness as well.

Fact is that if you don't have kde you will need to compile libs and base which takes quite a bit longer then gnome or firefox for that matter, but once it's up and running it really isn't that bloated and feels quite a lot faster then gnome.

Illissius · Post by **Illissius** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 7:03 pm

gmichels wrote:I've been an opera user for some time (still use it in windows, though), but I switched to konqueror since it "feels" lighter and faster on my kde desktop. I still keep it around because some pages just won't load right on konqueror, so it's a backup. And also, no gtk for me.

Konqueror, especially the latest ones (3.2.3, 3.3.0) is becoming an extremely nice browser, so I'll stick with it.

That's odd, as I'm in the opposite situation. I'm still using Opera and waiting for Konqueror to catch up so I can switch

- and it's been getting awfully close lately, but it's not there yet (though I haven't tried 3.3 yet, this is based on 3.2.3).

shredz · Post by **shredz** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 3:07 am

Get konqueror 3.3

Just tried it for an hour and it will blow you out of the water