What puts you off most about Gentoo?

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MooktaKiNG · Post by **MooktaKiNG** » Thu Apr 15, 2004 12:10 pm

You can't put lack of documentaion up there!!!!

gentoo has one of the best documentation around. come on!!!!!

Anyway, one regret is that portage is really slow. Thats all.

I can live with the long compile times. But why does emerge sync take so long!!!!!!

or else, i'm really happy

Malakai · Post by **Malakai** » Thu Apr 15, 2004 12:23 pm

lightvhawk0 wrote:Nothing puts me off about gentoo I love it! It's simple enought to use, yet hard enough to be a chanllege.

exactly

I didn't vote, since there is no "nothing" option.

Aurora · Post by **Aurora** » Thu Apr 15, 2004 12:38 pm

MooktaKiNG wrote:You can't put lack of documentaion up there!!!!

gentoo has one of the best documentation around. come on!!!!!

Anyway, one regret is that portage is really slow. Thats all.

I can live with the long compile times. But why does emerge sync take so long!!!!!!

or else, i'm really happy

I agree with the documentation aspect being superb.

As for the emerge sync... Mine is only slow when I connect to certain slow servers. Sometimes, if I connect to a fast one...wow. It'll be done relatively quickly.

MooktaKiNG · Post by **MooktaKiNG** » Thu Apr 15, 2004 1:17 pm

the actual rsync bit is fine.

But when it starts doing the cache update thing. It takes ages.

ciaranm · Post by **ciaranm** » Thu Apr 15, 2004 2:40 pm

Well, if you want faster cache updates, there's always the anydbm backend trick (needs a fairly recent portage)...

warning! this is an unsupported undocumented experimental feature, and if it breaks tough luck on you (although given the number of people in here using stupid things like reiser4 and love-sources, that warning probably won't do much good... hrm...)

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echo 'portdbapi.auxdbmodule="portage_db_anydbm.database"' > /etc/portage/modules
echo 'eclass_cache.dbmodule="portage_db_anydbm.database"' >> /etc/portage/modules
time emerge sync

This gives me a three times speedup on sparc kit. The gain is probably less on x86 boxes where you've got more CPU power and less I/O, but it should still be fairly noticable...

MooktaKiNG · Post by **MooktaKiNG** » Thu Apr 15, 2004 3:57 pm

ciaranm wrote:Well, if you want faster cache updates, there's always the anydbm backend trick (needs a fairly recent portage)...

warning! this is an unsupported undocumented experimental feature, and if it breaks tough luck on you (although given the number of people in here using stupid things like reiser4 and love-sources, that warning probably won't do much good... hrm...)
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echo 'portdbapi.auxdbmodule="portage_db_anydbm.database"' > /etc/portage/modules
echo 'eclass_cache.dbmodule="portage_db_anydbm.database"' >> /etc/portage/modules
time emerge sync
This gives me a three times speedup on sparc kit. The gain is probably less on x86 boxes where you've got more CPU power and less I/O, but it should still be fairly noticable...

hehe. i'll try that out

:):)

which version of portage should it be?
currently i'm upto date on stable.

ciaranm · Post by **ciaranm** » Thu Apr 15, 2004 4:11 pm

MooktaKiNG wrote:hehe. i'll try that out :):)

which version of portage should it be?
currently i'm upto date on stable.

Hrm, it was introduced for .50 I think, so current stable should be fine.

MooktaKiNG · Post by **MooktaKiNG** » Thu Apr 15, 2004 5:31 pm

first there was ccache.
Then there was prelink.
then prelink doen automaticly by portage.
then distcc
then NPTL.
Then this new modules thing from portage!!!!!

I love gentoo!!!!!!

I am squeezing every last drop of performance out of my laptop

:D:D:D:D

Did i miss anything here?
Ther must be other ways of speeding this beast even more?

POLAX · Post by **POLAX** » Sun Apr 18, 2004 6:05 am

This asshole administrator with the nick pjp...seems to have himself confused with hitler...the fucker!

codergeek42 · Post by **codergeek42** » Sun Apr 18, 2004 6:08 am

POLAX wrote:This asshole administrator with the nick pjp...seems to have himself confused with hitler...the fucker!

So his self-confusion puts you off about Gentoo? Wrong thread/forums, methinks.

swingarm · Post by **swingarm** » Sun Apr 18, 2004 6:10 am

Time compiling but hey it's a source based distro what do you want? Actually I can install a base system(no gui) on my midtower in about 4 hours, it's a AthlonXP 1800 w/768MB of ram on a broadband connection in case you were wondering.

POLAX · Post by **POLAX** » Sun Apr 18, 2004 7:25 am

So his self-confusion puts you off about Gentoo? Wrong thread/forums, methinks.

No...but his being an asshole in what is my forum for resolving gentoo problems and shooting the shit about gentoo does put me off it a bit...

(That make more sense?)

Can O' Beans · Post by **Can O' Beans** » Sun Apr 18, 2004 9:51 am

Well, as of latest stable version - Online documentation (Handbook) being either out of date or screwed up, as it's missing quite a few things when compared to the doc on CD. If you're going to have an official handbook online, and it's known to be wrong (seen a thread somewhere), why keep it online without any warning(or even taking it down temporarily?). I just had to struggle through an install I was helping a friend with who was "experiencing" Gentoo for the first time. Worked great once we figured out NOT to follow the online doc.

Also, the search function in phpBB is absolutely horrid! Of course, this isn't directly Gentoo's fault, but does make finding solutions on the forum quite difficult.

Ebuilds being released a bit "early" and breaking stuff is another, but not too common in my personal experience (luckily?)

As for compile/instalation time, I have absolutely no problem with that as I'm well aware of Gentoo being source-based. Most things compile a lot quicker than something being installed in Windows using Install Shield

chris78 · Post by **chris78** » Sun Apr 18, 2004 4:39 pm

What puts me off ??

.. .... that its not on my machine !!

Chris

neenee · Post by **neenee** » Sun Apr 18, 2004 4:48 pm

the zaelot part of the community.

R!tman · Post by **R!tman** » Sun Apr 18, 2004 4:49 pm

Ok, it takes long. But gentoo still is the thing for me.

codergeek42 · Post by **codergeek42** » Sun Apr 18, 2004 5:16 pm

POLAX wrote:
So his self-confusion puts you off about Gentoo? Wrong thread/forums, methinks.
No...but his being an asshole in what is my forum for resolving gentoo problems and shooting the shit about gentoo does put me off it a bit...

(That make more sense?)

It makes more sense, yes. But is it even anywhere near being "rational" (not that I'm the most rational either). First of all, you shouldn't go calling adminstrators "assholes". Granted (and with all due respect to them), some of them could be more polite in the way they handle things, but still: what you're doing is rude. If you have a problem with the way things are being handled, PM and admin and *politely* talk it over.

Secondly, it's not your forum. It belongs to our community of Gentoo users/developers. You are a member of it, and should behave accordingly. This means you should try to maintain the high standard that a lot of people may have about the politeness, courteousy (sp?), and helpfulness of those in the forums. For these reasons, you should also refrain from cursin as you do. I for one don't find that language offending (although I do find it rude), but I know many who would be offended from reading your posts.

Have a nice day.

jaro · Post by **jaro** » Sun Apr 18, 2004 5:27 pm

portage/emerge in python....
no reverse dependency checks.....

Post by **pjp** » Sun Apr 18, 2004 6:10 pm

Just so everyone is aware, I really don't care what anyone thinks of me. I didn't volunteer to help moderate/administrate the forums to make friends. That said, POLAX has demonstrated his unwillingness to participate constructively on the forums (spam, trolling, et al).

To be certain, feel free to constructively criticize any administrator or moderator. POLAX is an example of what NOT to do.

POLAX wrote:This asshole administrator with the nick pjp...seems to have himself confused with hitler...the fucker!

POLAX wrote:
So his self-confusion puts you off about Gentoo? Wrong thread/forums, methinks.
No...but his being an asshole in what is my forum for resolving gentoo problems and shooting the shit about gentoo does put me off it a bit...

(That make more sense?)

codergeek42 · Post by **codergeek42** » Sun Apr 18, 2004 6:21 pm

jaro wrote:portage/emerge in python

Just for the sake of my own curiosity, why does it bother you that portage is written in Python?

curmudgeon · Post by **curmudgeon** » Sun Apr 18, 2004 7:46 pm

Poor revision control for ebuilds (by far the biggest problem Gentoo has).

jaro · Post by **jaro** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 10:04 am

codergeek42 wrote:
jaro wrote:portage/emerge in python
Just for the sake of my own curiosity, why does it bother you that portage is written in Python?

the need to have python installed at all (no use for it otherwise) and maybe speed....

tihkal · Post by **tihkal** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 10:25 am

Perhaps I missed it, but has nobody mentioned that it requires a fast internet connection?????????

This is Gentoo's achilles heel as far as I'm concerned.

Yes, I know you can use binaries etc, but this negates the advantages of Gentoo over many other distros.

I was a long term Mandrake user, sure I had other distros on my network and I dabbled with OpenBSD and Solaris, but Mandrake was the choice for me. I'd looked at Gentoo, had friends that used it, and could appreciate the elegence and ethos of the Gentoo way of doing things. BUT, I wasn't using it. Why, simple really. I couldn't get ADSL or cable in my area. Without that fast connection, downloading large lumps of source code was not an option.

So, I'm a long term linux user who is relatively new to Gentoo and loving it now they wired my exchange for ADSL and I have a fast enough connection

puggy · Post by **puggy** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 5:33 pm

tihkal wrote:Perhaps I missed it, but has nobody mentioned that it requires a fast internet connection?????????

This is Gentoo's achilles heel as far as I'm concerned.

Yes, I know you can use binaries etc, but this negates the advantages of Gentoo over many other distros.

I was a long term Mandrake user, sure I had other distros on my network and I dabbled with OpenBSD and Solaris, but Mandrake was the choice for me. I'd looked at Gentoo, had friends that used it, and could appreciate the elegence and ethos of the Gentoo way of doing things. BUT, I wasn't using it. Why, simple really. I couldn't get ADSL or cable in my area. Without that fast connection, downloading large lumps of source code was not an option.

So, I'm a long term linux user who is relatively new to Gentoo and loving it now they wired my exchange for ADSL and I have a fast enough connection

Well, this is not entirely valid.

With gentoo you have to download a significant portion of source - True.
However, if you were to choose Mandrake or some other binary distribution you would still have to download their install CDs which are of considerable size.

You might argue that you could buy a Mandrake CD or use a system on the internet somewhere else to download it. This is pretty much the same as downloading a GRP set (or downloading all the distfiles you require) or purchasing a GRP set.

Gentoo may require internet access to continually upgrade your system, but if you also desired to keep your Mandrake system up to date (As uptodate as you would with gentoo), then you would require roughly the same amount of bandwidth.

Keeping your system on the cutting edge does require additional bandwidth, but if your happy with just ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=x86 (if your using x86) then your updates will be less and if you update less often (Accept for GLSAs of course), your overall bandwidth requirement will be less.

Puggy

puggy · Post by **puggy** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 5:36 pm

Small user base? It's pretty big now I'd say, and certainly one of the best user communities in open-source.

My biggest annoyance with gentoo is hardly an annoyance with gentoo at all. It's the direction that some people wish it to go. I'm referring to the issue of binary packages and users demaning them. This makes no sense as it goes against everything that is good about gentoo.

Puggy

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