Gentoo's Greatest Features?

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ed0n · Post by **ed0n** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 3:07 pm

Of course I like all it's features and it's so hard to be specific , but anyway I'll vote for customizibility.

Post by **pjp** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 4:45 pm

POLAX: Do NOT spam people links to threads. Thanks.

semiSfear · Post by **semiSfear** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 5:28 pm

Actually I think all those features are equally good

jtp755 · Post by **jtp755** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 6:13 pm

i think that the best features of Gentoo are the customization, Portage/Emerge, and the amount you learn when you install it

POLAX · Post by **POLAX** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 11:28 pm

pjp wrote:POLAX: Do NOT spam people links to threads. Thanks.

OK pjp I know you're an admin here and everything but this comment kind of gets me...well pissed off

First of all I did not SPAM anyone. Each PM sent was sent by myself personally and devoted a fair fraction of my time in doing so.
Do you think the guys who send you "Enlarge Your ..." in your email hire a secretary to personally send each email out to you? I think not!

If I'd wanted to send SPAM on this forum it would be a piece of cake to write a screen scraper in PERL - heck there's a userlist that gives user ID's and a send function that only requires a user ID. If you'd like me to show you I could send 250 messages to ALL 49,256 GENTOO USERS TO EVER SIGN UP with a couple hours worth of coding and the push of a button!

So perhaps now you see why that comment upset me? (Of course I feel I did this in a fair manner and it took a couple of hours too)
(Unsolicited Messaging - yes, SPAM - about 49,215 users shy of it)

I will not send people unsolicited PM's if it's in the site rules not to (which it isn't, just no spamming which I'm sure should be clear by now that I did not do).
As for those of you who are upset for this I apologize. If you let me know I will keep your username in my mailbox and check before I send so you don't get any more from me.
If anyone has a better suggestion for how I should let people know about these polls I'd like to hear it - feel free to post it!

khiloa · Post by **khiloa** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 12:25 am

okay but your common sense (if you have any) should have told you that some people probably wouldn't appreciate it. We don't really care if it was a bot or not, it is still spam. lastly the best way to get people to know about your polls is to just start them. no PMing.. just start it and i'm sure plenty of people will see it.

Stu L Tissimus · Post by **Stu L Tissimus** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 1:30 am

Dude...

NEVER SPAM ME AGAIN.

Sorry if I'm being harsh, but don;t you have any common sense?

GenKiller · Post by **GenKiller** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 1:31 am

POLAX wrote:First of all I did not SPAM anyone. Each PM sent was sent by myself personally and devoted a fair fraction of my time in doing so.
Do you think the guys who send you "Enlarge Your ..." in your email hire a secretary to personally send each email out to you? I think not!

POLAX, do you really think that is the point? If the person sent out each of those e-mails personally to only 10 people, do you think those 10 people really care if it was done personally, or by a bot? The point is that it was PM's which were not asked for, and had no reason of being sent.

I can really understand why you sent them. You wanted people to vote. In the future don't worry about this, as if your poll is interesting, people will vote whether you invite them or not.

POLAX wrote:If I'd wanted to send SPAM on this forum it would be a piece of cake to write a screen scraper in PERL - heck there's a userlist that gives user ID's and a send function that only requires a user ID. If you'd like me to show you I could send 250 messages to ALL 49,256 GENTOO USERS TO EVER SIGN UP with a couple hours worth of coding and the push of a button!

POLAX, this is an extremely immature thing to say. People ask you not to spam, so you threaten to do a "full-scale" spamming job? People are just giving you constructive criticism, and good criticism at that.

POLAX wrote:As for those of you who are upset for this I apologize. If you let me know I will keep your username in my mailbox and check before I send so you don't get any more from me.

I think the reverse would be better POLAX. Only PM those who ask you to when your polls are created. What you are asking draws more of a resemblence to spam (the line at the bottom of the e-mails which says, "Click this link to be removed from this list").

If you decide to not heed these words, then please take me off of your "list".

POLAX · Post by **POLAX** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 1:46 am

GenKiller wrote: POLAX, do you really think that is the point? If the person sent out each of those e-mails personally to only 10 people, do you think those 10 people really care if it was done personally, or by a bot? The point is that it was PM's which were not asked for, and had no reason of being sent.

This is the only part of your post that didn't make sense to me...and it's a big part of the dilemma.

Remember the old saying "Don't speak unless spoken to?"...well let's get real here, if we followed this nobody would speak - ever. Every first PM is not asked for because if someone asked for it then they've sent a PM that was not asked for, and if the other person asked them for it then they've sent a PM that was not asked for, and if the other person asked them for it then they've sent a PM that was not asked for... and if...
Okay I'll shut up now.

So back to the original question: if I'm making a poll every month how do people know when it's available?

Only idea I've got so far is to start a thread that asks people to opt-in for these invites...

Aurora · Post by **Aurora** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 1:57 am

rfujimoto wrote:Eh, I could live without compiling... If Gentoo were to go binary only with portage, I wouldn't mind.

*snip*

I agree.

The compile time is kinda long for some things (even something like Thunderbird. I know that it comes in "bin" but man...the last time I used a bin package on my Gnome 2.6 it messed *everything* up bad -- long story!).

Binaries are not bad. I would try/use arch, but I know the repository is not nearly as large as it is with Gentoo, and I don't think that it's as mature as Gentoo, either.

I'll just learn to be patient.

GenKiller · Post by **GenKiller** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 1:59 am

POLAX wrote:
GenKiller wrote: POLAX, do you really think that is the point? If the person sent out each of those e-mails personally to only 10 people, do you think those 10 people really care if it was done personally, or by a bot? The point is that it was PM's which were not asked for, and had no reason of being sent.

This is the only part of your post that didn't make sense to me...and it's a big part of the dilemma.

Read it again. An example of a PM asked for is in a public thread when someone asks you to PM them about a personal topic, code examples that don't belong in the original thread, etc.

As you will see above though, I said your PM had no reason to be sent as well. Your thread is going to be seen and replied to just as everyone else's has been. People are going to go browse through new threads, and yours will be there. They will see the title, determine if it is something that they wish to look into further, and if so, they will click on it, and participate.

With a forum this active, you do not need to worry about a lack of participation.

My apologies for not making that statement clear in my earlier post. I hope it is understandable now.

Aurora · Post by **Aurora** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 1:59 am

Wow...this thread turned down another road fast. I guess my post above is a bit off, 'eh?

Skotlex · Post by **Skotlex** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 2:04 am

Well .. POLAX, you got quite a bunch of people mad at ya ^.^o The obvious problem is the definition of SPAM ya use.
Yes we know there's that kind of spam that gets sent 24/7 by bots all over the planet... but spam, in it's most basic sense: is getting unsolicited stuff. But that's a pretty broad meaning... if I message someone asking for help on a particular subject, that IS spam because I was never allowed to message someone to ask for help in the first place. It still fits in the general meaning of spam... some people don't mind that much some kinds of spam (I didn't since I would had never seen this poll as I don't have time to spend in gentoo-chat), but I am certain the majority of users are sick-tired of anything that comes from a stranger (ok, maybe I am exaggerating a bit there

). Anyway, just telling ya there's need to update that definition of spam you have ^.^ As for the thread "advertisement"... dude don't do any advertisement. If your product is good, there won't be any need (just choose a topic wisely and the views/replies will roll in).

Back on topic... my #1 feature that I like the best of Gentoo is: the USE flags system! Back on my Suse days I was kinda fond of installing packages from source, and I learned of how much stuff could be added to programs via the ./configure options each program has. But how in the world can you set these options through a binary distribution? Well.. you can't, most programs just come bundled with everything O.o Being able to specify EXACTLY what support should be included/excluded for every package I install is the major winner here. And since it's all source-code, I don't end up with all those crazy rpm dependencies I saw long ago under Suse. In my opinion the USE flag and source-based package dependency system works in a much cleaner way then binary dependancies ever can.

Syntaxis · Post by **Syntaxis** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 2:05 am

POLAX wrote:(Of course I feel I did this in a fair manner and it took a couple of hours too)

Truly, you are pathetic. You have my pity.

Anyway...

One vote for Gentoo's bleeding edge-ness here.

Pseud · Post by **Pseud** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 2:08 am

The only reason I sought out a different distro (and ran into Gentoo) was when I got sick of the rpm mess in Redhat and/or Fedora, which made updating things very painful. yum/apt-get are good solutions as client-side applications, no doubt, but the repositories out there aren't consistent or complete to any degree of satisfaction.

I think when a distro isn't source-based, its impractical to guarantee stability (think Debian) alongside accessibility to bleeding-edge versions of the plethora of applications out there. And the portage system practically zeros down the choice of source-based distros to Gentoo, period.

_____
Oh, I almost forgot to feign extreme anger at being spammed.

Skotlex · Post by **Skotlex** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 2:19 am

Pseud wrote:The only reason I sought out a different distro (and ran into Gentoo) was when I got sick of the rpm mess in Redhat and/or Fedora, which made updating things very painful. yum/apt-get are good solutions as client-side applications, no doubt, but the repositories out there aren't consistent or complete to any degree of satisfaction.

I think when a distro isn't source-based, its impractical to guarantee stability (think Debian) alongside accessibility to bleeding-edge versions of the plethora of applications out there. And the portage system practically zeros down the choice of source-based distros to Gentoo, period

Wow dude, we both have 69 posts! How weird... err.. leet is that??
Ah wait.... I shouldn't had... oops.

(thanks goodness this is gentoo-chat and I can go off-topic, eh?

)

Pseud · Post by **Pseud** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 2:23 am

Well, this should even it out.
And don't you dare increase your post count before I do

SimonZarate · Post by **SimonZarate** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 4:11 am

I am trying too many distros of Linux several months. I try with Red Hat distros (Red Hat, Fedora) and...nop, i need pay if i wish download updated packages, and i can not hear my mp3's. [Deleted]

I try with Mandrake, appear to be great!!. I can download the updates and i can hear my mp3's, but something happend. I need download each time when appear a new version a total of 1.8 GB from Internet (this will take too much time). [Deleted]

I try anothers and none like me. And finally in a forum about the best linux distros i see the name:

GENTOO!

I search in internet by this name and found the Gentoo web pages, i starting to see the Screenshots and see the most speciall think in Gentoo: emerge world!!!

And i read this: don't matter if you have intalled 1.4 if you do emerge world automatically you are upgrading your Linux Gentoo to the last version.

Another think: Gentoo is too much faster!

The installation was a Nightmare for me, my wife say me forget this!!, but something say me continue!.

Today i have Gentoo Installed like my principal OS and Windows XP Home on a VMWare Virtual Machine (i prefer don't pass for the hard way of configure wine for each app)

In a few word i use Gentoo for:

1. Easy to update
2. I can hear my mp3's
3. Faaaaasssst!!!
4. Linux Distro of the year!

Post by **pjp** » Fri Apr 09, 2004 11:58 pm

POLAX wrote:First of all I did not SPAM anyone. Each PM sent was sent by myself personally and devoted a fair fraction of my time in doing so.

If that is how you value spending your time, that is fine.

Do you think the guys who send you "Enlarge Your ..." in your email hire a secretary to personally send each email out to you? I think not!

Time spent crafting spam is irrelevant.

So perhaps now you see why that comment upset me? (Of course I feel I did this in a fair manner and it took a couple of hours too)

You obviously have a very "special" definition of "spam".

(Unsolicited Messaging - yes

Now we're getting somewhere. Unsolicited messages of any quantity, regardless of how long anyone takes to create them, are SPAM.

I will not send people unsolicited PM's if it's in the site rules not to (which it isn't, just no spamming which I'm sure should be clear by now that I did not do).

Thank you for not SPAMING. Especially now that you understand that you did send SPAM. Please update your definition.

As for those of you who are upset for this I apologize.

Thank you for apologizing to those users.

If you let me know I will keep your username in my mailbox and check before I send so you don't get any more from me.

Lets make it simple. DO NOT SEND UNSOLICITED PMs TO ANYONE.

If anyone has a better suggestion for how I should let people know about these polls I'd like to hear it - feel free to post it!

Create your own forum.

Post by **pjp** » Fri Apr 09, 2004 11:58 pm

As this thread is now way off topic, I've locked it.

Gentoo's Greatest Features?

What is by far the best Gentoo feature?

IT'S NOT SPAM!!!

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