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Joseph_sys Advocate
Joined: 08 Jun 2004 Posts: 2712 Location: Edmonton, AB
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:43 am Post subject: kde3.5 overlay |
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Does anybody have an idea when kde-3.5 will be in overlay?
Right now I upgraded one of my desktop to KDE4.3.1 and I DO NOT Like it, it feels like disorganized bloatware, very slow; and I feel like I'm being spied on, always some background activity especially on start up of KDE4
Right now, emerge --depclean wants to remove KDE3.5; how to prevent it, since I already have KDE4 on the system.
Is it by adding use flag "kdeprefix" to make.conf?
Eventually I'll remove the KDE4 once KDE3.5 gets into overlay. |
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the.root Apprentice
Joined: 29 Apr 2007 Posts: 210 Location: -84.706059324915, -62.4843750666430
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:11 am Post subject: |
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you posted two of these threads, might want to delete one.
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-802026.html
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-802023.html
according to http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/kde/
there should be an overlay called kde3 in layman, but i dont see it.
And no the kdeprefix is for running multiple kde's i believe. But it wont provide kde3.5 and keep it in your system (providing you continue to sync portage).. You could always stop syncing portage, lol. _________________ Ps = (1.5 x 6 x .75) / {(4/3) (pi) [(31.039 x 10^15) (46.5 x 10^9)]^3}
Seems like a waste..
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Joseph_sys Advocate
Joined: 08 Jun 2004 Posts: 2712 Location: Edmonton, AB
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the.root Apprentice
Joined: 29 Apr 2007 Posts: 210 Location: -84.706059324915, -62.4843750666430
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:24 am Post subject: |
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Yeah it takes a lot of work to keep them maintained, since there's no upstream support from KDE. _________________ Ps = (1.5 x 6 x .75) / {(4/3) (pi) [(31.039 x 10^15) (46.5 x 10^9)]^3}
Seems like a waste.. |
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rafo Apprentice
Joined: 18 Nov 2003 Posts: 161 Location: Sollentuna, Sweden
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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Apparently the name of the KDE 3.5 overlay is kde-sunset:
http://www.linuxized.com/2009/11/kde-in-gentoo-an-update/
However, perhaps this is not fully in order yet. Typing
Code: | layman -i kde-sunset |
gets me some output that tells me to look at http://kde.gentoo.org. That page however does not mention the kde-sunset overlay (yet).
I would need a description of how to use the kde-sunset overlay. Let's say I have added the overlay, and I have an existing KDE 3.5 installation, will I then be able to type e g
and get the KDE 3.5 version?
Currently when I try this I would get the KDE 4 version, and a bunch of KDE 4 dependencies. What to do?
Another question, suppose I want to set up a new machine with Gentoo and KDE 3.5, will that also be doable using kde-sunset? |
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Cyker Veteran
Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 1746
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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You'd need to specify the slot;
will try to emerge the latest stable version of kwrite, which obviously would be the KDE4 one.
The correct command should be Code: | emerge -av kwrite:3.5 |
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yngwin Retired Dev
Joined: 19 Dec 2002 Posts: 4572 Location: Suzhou, China
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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The kde3 overlay has been renamed back to kde-sunset. _________________ "Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves." - Abraham Lincoln
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rafo Apprentice
Joined: 18 Nov 2003 Posts: 161 Location: Sollentuna, Sweden
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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Cyker wrote: | You'd need to specify the slot;
will try to emerge the latest stable version of kwrite, which obviously would be the KDE4 one.
The correct command should be Code: | emerge -av kwrite:3.5 |
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It doesn't quite work for me. For kwrite I don't get anything. For another KDE application this happens:
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# emerge -av ksysguard:3.5
These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
Calculating dependencies... done!
!!! All ebuilds that could satisfy "kde-base/ksysguard:3.5" have been masked.
!!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your request:
- kde-base/ksysguard-3.5.10 (masked by: package.mask)
/usr/portage/profiles/package.mask:
# Samuli Suominen <ssuominen@gentoo.org> (07 Nov 2009)
#
# Mask KDE 3.5.10 for removal, excluding the dependencies
# required for stable koffice. Removed in 30 days.
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wired_ Retired Dev
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Cyker Veteran
Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 1746
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:30 am Post subject: |
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Hey, thanks for that.
Good post! |
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rafo Apprentice
Joined: 18 Nov 2003 Posts: 161 Location: Sollentuna, Sweden
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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Great, I followed the steps plus I manually unmerged a whole bunch of KDE-related packages that wanted to pull in KDE 4 software.
Now a huge `emerge -avuND world' is running, mostly non-KDE and some KDE3.5 stuff. Hopefully this will take me through the Desktop Winter that comes ahead. Thanks for the HOWTO! |
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pappy_mcfae Watchman
Joined: 27 Dec 2007 Posts: 5999 Location: Pomona, California.
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Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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Love this trick. It trimmed my /etc/portage/package.mask and /etc/portage/package.unmask files down to almost nothing again. And, I don't get messages telling the machine wants to install KDE-4. Woohoo!
Blessed be!
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jesnow l33t
Joined: 26 Apr 2006 Posts: 858
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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If your kde3 was unslotted, you don't have to unmerge it end then remerge it slotted. It's enough simply to edit the /var/lib/portage/world file and append :3.5 to all the kde entries. I've gotten away with this on three systems now. Ktorrent is a problem however, as it's not slotted. You'll have to either decide on the 3.5 version or the later 4.x version. Personally, I think it's one of the few applications that offers more functionality in 4.x than in 3.5.
I'm doing quite well running 3.5 and 4.3 applications next to each other -- this is no problem. BUT it takes up more space even than the already-bloated 4.3.
In the end I didn't like xfce. I really do like the swiss army knife aspect of konqueror:3.5, and I don't like splitting off the file manager as in xfce and kde4.
I'm really hoping someone will take up the torch on kde3 -- I don't have the knowledge or experience to go it alone.
Cheers,
Jon. |
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wlchase Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 04 Jul 2003 Posts: 81 Location: Texas
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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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For the most excellent guide, you might want to warn that the volume containing the overlay needs a fair amount of free space. I had a separate /usr partition and filled it up the first time through.
Bill |
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pappy_mcfae Watchman
Joined: 27 Dec 2007 Posts: 5999 Location: Pomona, California.
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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:13 am Post subject: |
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My question is, is there a discussion thread for kde-sunset yet? If not, why not?
KDE-3 is worth keeping alive. I'm not the greatest coder, but I'm not scared to play with code if I have an idea of what I'm looking for. I've even found a few issues in the overlay that I'd like to address, and have in some cases. I haven't uploaded any of that because I'm not quite sure how to pass what I have upstream. If someone could drop an incantation hint on me, I'd be most appreciative!
Anyway, I'm interested in helping as much as I possibly can, even if that's error checking or troubleshooting "fixed" code.
BB!
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Cyker Veteran
Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 1746
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Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:16 am Post subject: |
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Well I've only seen one real reason why it was booted out of the tree so completely, and that was that it doesn't work with the newer autoconf's.
If that could be patched, and/or the code generally made more portable, long term maintained will be a lot easier.
That said, autoconf is slotted so a short/medium hack would just be to change the ebuilds to use a version before the one that causes breakage.
I have no idea how involved either would be tho' |
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yngwin Retired Dev
Joined: 19 Dec 2002 Posts: 4572 Location: Suzhou, China
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Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 1:56 am Post subject: |
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pappy_mcfae wrote: | My question is, is there a discussion thread for kde-sunset yet? If not, why not? |
As far as I know there isn't one. Because nobody started one. Feel free to do so in the "Unsupported Software" forum.
pappy_mcfae wrote: | I've even found a few issues in the overlay that I'd like to address, and have in some cases. I haven't uploaded any of that because I'm not quite sure how to pass what I have upstream. If someone could drop an incantation hint on me, I'd be most appreciative! |
Subscribe to the gentoo-desktop mailing list and send them a message.
Edit:
See http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/kde/#doc_chap2 for more info and how to get commit access. _________________ "Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves." - Abraham Lincoln
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rafo Apprentice
Joined: 18 Nov 2003 Posts: 161 Location: Sollentuna, Sweden
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 8:37 am Post subject: |
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Yesterday I did a massive `emerge -avuND world' upgrade, after several weeks of no updates. I then had problems doing revdep-rebuild because the resulting emerges would not succeed, because of the now missing /usr/lib/libjpeg.so.62. Also KDE 3.5 (by kde-sunset overlay) would not start.
In another forum thread I found the advice to do `emerge =media-libs/jpeg-6b-r9'. This restores /usr/lib/libjpeg.so.62 and revdep-rebuild could be carried out. And KDE 3.5 works, as fine as ever!
I am wondering, this trick should probably be mentioned in the KDE 3.5 HOWTO page.
My guess is that if you switched to kde-sunset earlier, and find your KDE being broken, then you should just do `emerge =media-libs/jpeg-6b-r9' right now. And likewise, if you decide to pick up kde-sunset now then the first step is also to emerge jpeg-6b-r9. Comments welcome! And feel free to update the HOWTO, I am really no expert on this, just glad to be able to stay with KDE 3.5. |
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tomk Bodhisattva
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:52 am Post subject: |
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Moved from Desktop Environments to Unsupported Software. _________________ Search | Read | Answer | Report | Strip |
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SamuliSuominen Retired Dev
Joined: 30 Sep 2005 Posts: 2133 Location: Finland
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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rafo wrote: | Yesterday I did a massive `emerge -avuND world' upgrade, after several weeks of no updates. I then had problems doing revdep-rebuild because the resulting emerges would not succeed, because of the now missing /usr/lib/libjpeg.so.62. Also KDE 3.5 (by kde-sunset overlay) would not start.
In another forum thread I found the advice to do `emerge =media-libs/jpeg-6b-r9'. This restores /usr/lib/libjpeg.so.62 and revdep-rebuild could be carried out. And KDE 3.5 works, as fine as ever!
I am wondering, this trick should probably be mentioned in the KDE 3.5 HOWTO page.
My guess is that if you switched to kde-sunset earlier, and find your KDE being broken, then you should just do `emerge =media-libs/jpeg-6b-r9' right now. And likewise, if you decide to pick up kde-sunset now then the first step is also to emerge jpeg-6b-r9. Comments welcome! And feel free to update the HOWTO, I am really no expert on this, just glad to be able to stay with KDE 3.5. |
If you install libjpeg-6b-r9 to fix missing libjpeg.so.62 in *source* packages, like KDE, it means they are still linked against libjpeg.so.62 when they should be linked against libjpeg.so.8. That's wrong, and will cause runtime problems, like random segfaulting.
You can run "revdep-rebuild --library libjpeg.so.62" to correct this. Yes, the --library matters. |
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rafo Apprentice
Joined: 18 Nov 2003 Posts: 161 Location: Sollentuna, Sweden
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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I tried the revdep-rebuild command and it looks promising: a bunch of KDE 3.5 packages are being re-emerged now. I suppose that having done this, and restarted the KDE desktop, I should then be able to unmerge the media-libs/jpeg-6b-r9 package.
Does this mean that (1) `revdep-rebuild --library libjpeg.so.62' should be tried first of all, and (2) only if this doesn't work because some tool requires libjpeg.so.62 then temporarily emerge media-libs/jpeg-6b-r9 so that the revdep-rebuild can succeed? (I think maybe that is what happened to me but I'm by no means sure...) |
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SamuliSuominen Retired Dev
Joined: 30 Sep 2005 Posts: 2133 Location: Finland
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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rafo wrote: | I tried the revdep-rebuild command and it looks promising: a bunch of KDE 3.5 packages are being re-emerged now. I suppose that having done this, and restarted the KDE desktop, I should then be able to unmerge the media-libs/jpeg-6b-r9 package.
Does this mean that (1) `revdep-rebuild --library libjpeg.so.62' should be tried first of all, and (2) only if this doesn't work because some tool requires libjpeg.so.62 then temporarily emerge media-libs/jpeg-6b-r9 so that the revdep-rebuild can succeed? (I think maybe that is what happened to me but I'm by no means sure...) |
you got it right |
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jordanwb l33t
Joined: 10 Jul 2008 Posts: 642 Location: Ottawa, Canada
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Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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Has anyone had any issue running KDE3.5 with latest software like xorg 1.8 and linux-2.6.35? I want to put KDE3.5 on my new laptop but I'm concerned with incompatibility issues. |
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pappy_mcfae Watchman
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 8:34 am Post subject: |
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There is an issue with xorg-server-1.9.x. I had typing rate issues (typing a LOT faster than what was coming to the screen). I've heard a few other people having weird issues with xorg-server-1.9.x I didn't see any real issues with xorg-server-1.8, but it wasn't on anything long enough to judge its functionality.
Xorg-server-1.7.x still works as it always has. I use it on this machine because it's the machine I use the most. It has to be able to keep up with my typing speed, and I type quickly. I also use it on my machines with older nvidia cards, as the nvidia drivers for the older cards don't go to >=xorg-server-1.8.x for one, and >=xorg-server-1.9.x for the other. The fourth machine seems to run >=xorg-server-1.9.x just fine, but I don't use it to the same degree I use this, so I don't know if the typing speed issue is an issue with it.
Other than those issues, things are swimming along just fine.
Cheers,
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