Native Half Life for Linux project

wHAcKer · Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2003 11:27 am Post subject:

GREAT IDEA

damn this'd be SO awesome.
I mean you can play HL with wine but wine is quite slow and we indeed do need NATIVE games

Uranus · Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2003 12:07 pm Post subject:

telex4 · l33t Joined: 21 Sep 2002 Posts: 704 Location: Reading, UK

Actually (hogging the thread

), another benefit of opening the source is that we can then have a whole series of free (beer) and in some cases Free (speech) games made from the mods. If the engine is opensource, and the mod is opensource, that's a complete game that's opensource, so CS, DoD, TFC and all the other great HL mods would be available to download as games in their own right

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Opteron · Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2003 1:29 pm Post subject:

I made a post on a swedish forum! Hopefully many will sign

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Uranus · Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2003 2:00 pm Post subject:

Uranus · Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2003 2:06 pm Post subject:

I posted a story to slashdot... now let's see if they will post it

if they do, prepare to see your website on its knees

refriedbean · Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2003 2:11 pm Post subject:

Ribs;

If you haven't yet, I suggest also posting this at http://www.linuxquestions.org .

There are a fair number of people scouring that forum

Refried

telex4 · l33t Joined: 21 Sep 2002 Posts: 704 Location: Reading, UK

Any idea of the number of signatures so far?

Tuxgames have a similar petition already by the way, just so you know:
http://www.tuxgames.com/petitions/

Oh, and I sent the news to www.linuxgames.com

update it's now an item on linuxgames

geekX · Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2003 2:57 pm Post subject:

I would also love to know how many people have signed this so far.

btw: How many people do you guys think would have to 'sign' before Valve would start to take linux users seriously?

My guess is that they would first release HalfLife 1's source code to test the reaction before they consider porting HalfLife 2. Thats because HalfLife 2's engine (source) is probably not based on any ID software engine any more and therefore probably very dependent on Direct 3D. I think it would be a hell of a mission to port HalfLife 2. Look at Neverwinter Nights.... and they actually planned a linux version from the start.
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Pindrop · Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2003 3:03 pm Post subject:

Signed with enthusiasm

Lovechild · Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2003 3:57 pm Post subject:

AgenT · Apprentice Joined: 18 May 2003 Posts: 280

Quake & Quake2 source code has been out for years now. But to make things clear, Half-Life is based on Quake source code, not Quake2. Anyone who has played all three games can easily tell you that Half-Life uses the Quake engine (file types, names and commands are similar or exact to Quake).

There was, however, some function or whatnot from Quake2 pertaining to netcode that was allowed into Half-Life (although I may be mistaken somewhat on this point).

If I remember The Carmack mentions this in one of his .plan updates a few years ago.

/end FUD police :roll:

Azaghal · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 02 May 2003 Posts: 103

Valve won't release the source until no (CS-)cheater is buying the game anymore because they got banned.

seriously, Valve's listening to the community has been crap ever, the HL engine is old, buggy and slow (but most of you don't notice that anymore because of fast CPU's now), and Valve has been really crap for years at defeating cheaters. Don't get me wrong, I like the game much, but Valve support/the HL engine are just way too poor.

I read in some preview of HL2 that this is because they had been investing all their money/effort in HL2. I hope this is true.

And imagine the cheater-boom that would occur when they release HL open source right now, with it(well it's most famous MOD we all hate and love) still being the most played FPS online. :roll:

oh P.S. HL2 isn't derived from the q3 engine right? Since they started with HL2 right after it was clear HL1 was a success?

Ribs · Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2003 8:03 pm Post subject:

The arguement of cheating is an interesting one which didn't cross my mind when making this petition. However, think about programs like Apache. It's open source, yet it's very secure because so many people contribute to it. This could theorically happen with HL; people could write cheat protection into the software which far surpasses Valves' efforts. Then again, people could also write cheats into the game.

Either way, HL is old, as you said, and Valve doesn't seem to care much for it anymore, so what have they got to loose by releaseing the source?

Just my two cents.

-Ribs.

telex4 · l33t Joined: 21 Sep 2002 Posts: 704 Location: Reading, UK

Cheating won't be *that* much easier because you can do md5 checksums of the binary and other datafiles on connecting to a server to make sure you are using a valid release that hasn't been mucked around with. It will just mean making hooks will be a little easier, but again that won't change detection so catching cheats won't be any harder... it will just be easier to make more devious cheats.

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jrz · Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2003 11:44 pm Post subject:

i tell everyone this but after playing the leaked d3 demo the gfx kick hl2's and the sound adds a new dimension that no game (to my knowledge) has taken advantage of. the sound will make doom3. hl2 (imo) doesn't beat doom3 on gfx and if it doesn't beat it in sound (atmosFEAR) then it won't really be a competition. just half-life hangers-on who want half-life to continue will buy it :]
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